• Which Guns Do You Whish Where Made Into Airsoft?
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Is it better than a Crane stock? Cause I was wondering which would be better.
Fuck yeah, don't take my word for it because I'm biased as fuck. I love Full stocks, the way they look, they feel when you shoulder and aim with them and the fact I can fit a 9.6v battery into it with relative ease. I don't have to worry about a wobbly, flimsy, small cranestock with a tiny battery, PEQ box or a handguard battery.
Ok, the only turnoff is it makes an M4 look slightly unbalanced.
[QUOTE=Kman1;24910113]Ok, the only turnoff is it makes an M4 look [B]extremely[/B] unbalanced.[/QUOTE]
Key word being 'look' and I like the look. As for making it -feel- unbalanced, it's total bullshit in my opinion.
Does it feel balanced?
The only reason I'd get a full-stock over a crane/retractable stock on an M4 is for the battery compartment. I really dislike the look of the full stock on a non full-length rifle, but that's just an opinion.
I've held my friend's Echo 1 SR-16 and it didn't feel all that unbalanced with a full length stock on a carbine length rifle. But he also has a flashlight, vertical grip and laser on the RIS and on the upper receiver rail he has a carrying handle with a red dot mounted on it so that helps balance it out.
So ARES is making the M200 now. I'm [I]certain[/I] it wasn't because of MW2. Goddamn, now I wish MW2 had the Tac-50.
I just generally dislike full stocks for the fact they aren't adaptable to a changing battlefield. For instance, you are engaged in a firefight outdoors, holding a defensive line of fire from a corner of a building. You push the enemy team into a nearby two story structure, and move in to pursue. Now, seeing how it's turned into a CQB situation, what are you going to do? Take out your pistol? Fine and all, but the ammo and range capacity has now dropped. If you use your rifle, with a full stock, then your best bet would be to place the stock over your shoulder to fire effectively indoors. Not the most practical solution.
[QUOTE=Identity;24913094]I just generally dislike full stocks for the fact they aren't adaptable to a changing battlefield. For instance, you are engaged in a firefight outdoors, holding a defensive line of fire from a corner of a building. You push the enemy team into a nearby two story structure, and move in to pursue. Now, seeing how it's turned into a CQB situation, what are you going to do? Take out your pistol? Fine and all, but the ammo and range capacity has now dropped. If you use your rifle, with a full stock, then your best bet would be to place the stock over your shoulder to fire effectively indoors. Not the most practical solution.[/QUOTE] You're overreacting, it doesn't make the gun any longer then a regular M4. Considering I use cranestocks at a full length anyway, it's about all the same to me. It's still a carbine, the full stock does not make it any more difficult to fire in a CQB situation. Where is this "Hold it over your shoulder to fire effectively indoors" thing come from? I've never had to do that, it's not like it's a full length M16 or something.
Hell I have a collapsible stock on my M4 but it doesn't mean I change the length when I go from outside to inside a building. Even when I've used full stock weapons inside rooms I still shoulder it like I would outside. I mean I can use a M14 inside a building and shoot outside the windows just fine (only time I'm allowed to use rifles inside anyways). And most of the time I DO switch to a pistol for CQB. Why would you need range for CQB anyways? I mean you shooting close quarters, 20 yards max, not a hard shot with a pistol.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;24913534]You're overreacting, it doesn't make the gun any longer then a regular M4. Considering I use cranestocks at a full length anyway, it's about all the same to me. It's still a carbine, the full stock does not make it any more difficult to fire in a CQB situation. Where is this "Hold it over your shoulder to fire effectively indoors" thing come from? I've never had to do that, it's not like it's a full length M16 or something.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about effectively using it in tight corners (i.e. two story building = stairwell). And I've used that "fire over shoulder technique" at a local field before, due to the fact it was a paintball field, and it had smaller areas to shoot out from. Since it's a full stock, you can't really shorten it to make it easier to turn a corner. If you held a full stock properly, you'd take the corner wider, as opposed to shortening a tactical stock, to where you reduce the area needed to maneuver with the weapon. I never said a gun with a full stock wasn't a carbine. I just said for me, in my opinion, that they can be harder to use for some people in certain situations.
[QUOTE=venom;24913063]So ARES is making the M200 now. I'm [I]certain[/I] it wasn't because of MW2. Goddamn, now I wish MW2 had the Tac-50.[/QUOTE] The ARES M200 has been around for a while, actually, IIRC. Also: honestly, using a full stock indoors really isn't that bad. I have a crane stock, mind you, but I've used it full extended inside without issue. That said, my main field actually requires the use of pistols/shotguns to clear buildings, so I don't have a ton of experience clearing that way, but firing out and such, I've done it with the stock full collapsed or fully extended. Haven't noticed a huge difference, and I carry it on the second or third position most of the time. Can't say I understand some of the smaller guys with fullstocks, it just seems too big for them, but that's just me I suppose.
[QUOTE=Identity;24916745]I'm talking about effectively using it in tight corners (i.e. two story building = stairwell). And I've used that "fire over shoulder technique" at a local field before, due to the fact it was a paintball field, and it had smaller areas to shoot out from. Since it's a full stock, you can't really shorten it to make it easier to turn a corner. If you held a full stock properly, you'd take the corner wider, as opposed to shortening a tactical stock, to where you reduce the area needed to maneuver with the weapon. I never said a gun with a full stock wasn't a carbine. I just said for me, in my opinion, that they can be harder to use for some people in certain situations.[/QUOTE] [img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yDuiVegdu3M4AM:http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/1256644881991.jpg&t=1[/img]
I'd laugh if I actually heard Judge Judy say that, honestly. But like I said, it's a matter of preference. I find a collapsable stock better than a full stock. If you don't like my opinion, tough shit. It's the internet.
i agree with identity i dont know why but the solid stock just doesnt feel right to me when i use it
It feels uncomfortable to me. Don't know why, it just does.
I like both.
Eh, both are fine choices. It's just [I]down to opinion.[/I]
[img]http://www.gunpundit.com/2008/kriss_crb_so.jpg[/img] This. Now.
Soon. As in, next year.
I raged so fucking hard that yet another person suggests that gun.
Am I the only one who thinks the Kriss is an abomination?
C: Its beautiful in an ugly sort of way. Also, its recoil mechanism is brilliant, just sayin'.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;24930006]C: Its beautiful in an ugly sort of way. Also, its recoil mechanism is brilliant, just sayin'.[/QUOTE] It's a brilliant gun, but it's still ugly.
[QUOTE=Sweetie;24929991]Am I the only one who thinks the Kriss is an abomination?[/QUOTE] the magwell is what turns me off the most overall the gun looks like a tan/black box/rectangle to me :saddowns:
I like its skeletal stock the most.
That's one long suppressor...
That's what she said... Actually, Sweetie, can you say it for me? :D
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