• Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread.
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[QUOTE=Wii60;46621133]one tweet talks about osama, and one tweet talks about christopher hitchens. Guess which one! [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Q2lCSgl.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [URL="http://tweetsave.com/radicalbytes/status/64951362127015936"]Confirmation for one of them[/URL] ([URL="http://tweetsave.com/radicalbytes/status/64911200265310208"]and some context[/URL]). [URL="http://tweetsave.com/radicalbytes/status/147567837026844672"]Here's the other[/URL] ([URL="http://tweetsave.com/femfreq/status/148217327236808704"]with some context courtesy of presumably himself at @femfreq[/URL]). [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Steele92;46621337][url]https://archive.today/jS6OD[/url] [url]https://archive.today/xrHXE[/url] [url]https://archive.today/1wD02[/url] [url]https://archive.today/RAqaq[/url] These people don't understand that criticising a religion isn't discrimination, they also seem to forget Hitchens was against pretty much [I]all[/I] religions[/QUOTE] I should read threads completely before doing that...
All this new stuff about Zoe attacking/witch hunting Stardock can only remind me of this [video]http://youtube.com/watch?v=7lLiVHiNRIE[/video]
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;46624466]All this new stuff about Zoe attacking/witch hunting Stardock can only remind me of this [video]http://youtube.com/watch?v=7lLiVHiNRIE[/video][/QUOTE] This clip is the reason all of the LWs are being collectively referred to as "Mojo Jojo" by some KiA and /gamergate/ users. Even LW1-3 gives them more attention than they deserve.
Quinn made something: [URL="https://archive.today/bdxqe"]Let’s Talk About Ethics In Games Journalism![/URL] I didn't read it too thoroughly, but from what I can tell she stretches the definition of unethical journalism to smear a few sites and then calls for blacklisting them.
oh boy so sarkeesians' got a new video oh tim schafer oh how the gods have fallen
Might be old, but, DSP of all people, making sense, about deaththreats and others. [video=youtube;tk1FMam9yiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk1FMam9yiY&t=50m29s[/video] starts at 50:29
[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;46624622]oh boy so sarkeesians' got a new video oh tim schafer oh how the gods have fallen[/QUOTE] [quote]25. Because it was created by a straight white man, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer.[/quote]:suicide:
the grand irony is that being written by McIntosh, I couldn't take it any less seriously.
[QUOTE=ZuXer;46624641]Might be old, but, DSP of all people, making sense, about deaththreats and others. [video=youtube;tk1FMam9yiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk1FMam9yiY&t=50m29s[/video] starts at 50:29[/QUOTE] His "not by problem, won't do research" gender issues stance and calling for people to not use hashtags though :rolleyes:
Evidence article on wikipedia heats up as arbitration accuses anti-gg of using "buzzwords" and "all sides have long-term editors who are involved in the situation." Most likely case is, it will be rewritten by a completely uninvolved wikiproject. Also some doxxing done on the page, done by both "gg" and "anti-gg" It's becoming blatantly obvious that the editors on both sides are way too heavily involved into the page for reasons beyond making wikipedia more neutral - but rather to push their own political ends. Example user with 13% of all edits : [URL]http://tweetsave.com/tarc0917[/URL] [editline]a[/editline] Jim Sterling being a total hypocrite. [B]BEFORE:[/B] [IMG]http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/uploads/jimmmmmmm.jpg[/IMG] [B]AFTER: [/B] [URL]https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/539819026466471936[/URL] [editline]a[/editline] GamePolitics apologizes to Stardock (A little earlier but now relevant.) [URL]http://www.gamepolitics.com/2014/11/11/long-overdue-correction-and-apology-brad-wardell#.VH6A9THF_h7[/URL] [editline]b[/editline] AMA going on on reddit by a games media watchdog project leader, aimed at consumer rights for viewers of games media. [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2o439r/im_lee_aka_demisaysstuff_founder_of_the_sentinel/[/url]
You realize Jim said that almost four years ago, right?
i liked it when video games were about playing video games, not huge controversies about ethics and stuff
[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;46625773]i liked it when video games were about playing video games, not huge controversies about ethics and stuff[/QUOTE] You say it like people stopped talking about having fun with video games at some point.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46625730]You realize Jim said that almost four years ago, right?[/QUOTE] Still rather relevant. Sterling claims to be an adamantium mountain in regards to his beliefs, his history shows he will waffle or reverse at any opportunity. Is this someone you can trust to stand as advocate of what is right? His "all heterosexual men are inherently rapey" stance probably isn't helping either. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46625939]You say it like people stopped talking about having fun with video games at some point.[/QUOTE] It can head that direction. There's a distinct reason places like CGhub and VA make you check your politics and religion at the door, and it's a good reason.
[QUOTE=27X;46626089]His "all heterosexual men are inherently rapey" stance probably isn't helping either.[/QUOTE] I was fucking floored when he made that elevator tweet. I held out for Jim for a long time and that just blew me the fuck away.
[QUOTE=27X;46626089] His "all heterosexual men are inherently rapey" stance probably isn't helping either. [/QUOTE] ...What? When did this become a thing?
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46626182]...What? When did this become a thing?[/QUOTE] referring to this tweet of his [img]http://i.imgur.com/zjENFZB.jpg[/img]
jim sterling has and always will be a fucking douche. I used to think TB was bad, but sterling a whole other level of fucking awfulness.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46626212]referring to this tweet of his [/QUOTE] Oh, so it's just another 3 year old tweet. I thought it was something recent and relevant.
Reminder:TB was a bit of an asshole too 3-4 years ago. Unless he posts something like that again,I dont think any of that is relevant
[QUOTE=Matrix374;46626408]Reminder:TB was a bit of an asshole too 3-4 years ago. Unless he posts something like that again,I dont think any of that is relevant[/QUOTE] so Jim is the anti TB?
Honestly Jim's stupid tweets don't bother me so much as how his show has this subtle pro-media stance that nobody ever calls him out on. Jim will go off at just about any developer but the press always gets off the hook.
[QUOTE=Matrix374;46626408]Reminder:TB was a bit of an asshole too 3-4 years ago. Unless he posts something like that again,I dont think any of that is relevant[/QUOTE] TB didn't claim to be playing a character who's actually still him without any decor, he admitted posting pretty much anything during his manic phases was probably a bad idea. (and it was, for the most part)
Hopefully I can ask about this in this thread even though it is more about corruption in game journalism, if not then I'm sorry if it's a bit off-topic and I'll snip this post. Anyways, I'm working on a school project where I will write about sexism and hate towards women in the gaming culture. It would be great if I could get some good videos or materials that I can use as sources, stuff about GamerGate and so on (what GamerGate is, how it all started, etc). I'm asking this here since I think a lot of you that visit this thread know quite a lot about this whole thing, and I am personally having a hard time finding any good informative explanations anywhere. I saw the videos in the OP but 2 of the 3 were removed from the looks of it.
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[QUOTE=Wormy;46626882]Hopefully I can ask about this in this thread even though it is more about corruption in game journalism, if not then I'm sorry if it's a bit off-topic and I'll snip this post. Anyways, I'm working on a school project where I will write about sexism and hate towards women in the gaming culture. It would be great if I could get some good videos or materials that I can use as sources, stuff about GamerGate and so on (what GamerGate is, how it all started, etc). I'm asking this here since I think a lot of you that visit this thread know quite a lot about this whole thing, and I am personally having a hard time finding any good informative explanations anywhere. I saw the videos in the OP but 2 of the 3 were removed from the looks of it.[/QUOTE] Gamergate is a huge bloody mess,forums and imageboards tend to lean one way or another media wants to be PC so instead of investigating claims of sexism they took it at face value ad published it as truth and even in acedemia there is a huge devide. Pakman gives covered the issue fairly and objectively, a feminist CH Sommers would be worthwhile to write too.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46626212]referring to this tweet of his [img]http://i.imgur.com/zjENFZB.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D32QxrjvQDMohttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMGNZsttQaxk&start1=1&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbDS_oUqLm-I&start2=8&authorName=IT+WAS+RAPE[/url]
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46624034]I know that not only the most privileged people say those things- I also know that Gamergate is incredibly diverse. But the more offensive (or 'offensive' in some instances) things we say, the less likely we are to win neutral people over- especially those who stand for social justice but have also done research. If I hadn't been on Facepunch, I would almost certainly be anti-GG because of the huge media slant against it. We have to stay vigilant and police ourselves a little bit because every slip-up we make is a huge piece of ammunition to be used against us. If we make the genuine social justice people aware that Gamergate is not a hate movement, then we will have actually achieved something- something that's pretty big- by separating a good chunk of slacktivists from the people who actually care. [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] I try to stay relatively neutral in contentious issues (Ferguson probably being the biggest example right now) until I can get my hands on reliable information. With Gamergate, I've been utterly flooded. I'm not ashamed to admit that I support the hashtag, and what it aims to achieve, 100%.[/QUOTE] By policing the shit some people say here and there gamergate admits that it has something to do with social justice. It hasn't. Ethics in gaming journalist and independent development scene is not a social justice issue, there's no common ground. It's AGG's tactics to bring all sorts of feminisms and other stuff into it, when in fact it's all beside the point. The fact that some self-described faggot on 8chan said 'tranny' is not an legitimate argument against gamergate in no way imaginable. Social justice community has more to do with #notyourshield, and that's why [b]it got separated[/b] from #gamergate in the first place. That's why Reimu separated their work from gamergate. By tone 'policing' (god I hate this word) and censoring its community, gamergate jumps at every sort of bullet the agg sends its way, as it's still impossible to censor a headless revolt movement that formed around a hashtag. There're two ways to deflect this 'ammunition': either to ignore this entirely and push the ethics and corruption issue, or to control every single thing someone somewhere says to censor 'trannies', 'faggots', 'retards', 'cunts', 'bitches', all sorts of stuff someone somewhere will find offensive. Guess which one of those two options are just impossible.
Other people are better with links and such to timelines and such. Basically Zoe Quinn was called out on some of her behavior by an ex boyfriend in the call out allegations were made she had relationships for positive press,the allegations ended up being inaccurate . Instead of letting the issue fizzle out gaming media decided to condemn people who identify as gamers and to try and vilify the title and identity,it then exploded in spectacular a fashion. People disenfranchised with gaming media and the cliquish nature of the industry started digging and uncovered info that has led to allegations of industry blacklisting predating the event,allegations of racketeering in an indiegamejam and a whole slew of breach of journalistic ethics,including mailing lists to coordinate the "gamers are dead articles'' 12 published on the same day from different sites and blogs and also discussion about blacklisting a writer(See gamejournopros). During this time the horde of tumblr SJWs descended on the issue and decided no its not about ethics in journalism were gonna say its about harrasing women out of gaming,and have held this position going as far to blame Gamergate for rape murder ,the shooting at the Canadian Parliment building and a few other high profile crimes.Their general operation is to smear and label gamers as a group of "Whiny pissbaby shitslingers" Cis White males this prompted the hashtag #notyourshield.Not believing anyone should ever prove them wrong many of the people who identify as gamers and are not cis,white,or male are called sockpuppets frauds brainwashed and are attacked and bullied to a degree that greatly exceeds what we are accused of.On bullying alot of people who vehemently oppose GG seem to fall into the category of bullies they go after low hanging fruit they think will not stand up to them point in case Chris Kluwe a former NFL player who now casually writes or gawker,upon hearing that the media conglomerate was under fire for running a smear he wrote this quite frankly disturbing rant [url]https://medium.com/the-cauldron/why-gamergaters-piss-me-the-f-off-a7e4c7f6d8a6[/url] ,and of course we have Sam "Bring Bullying Back" Biddle who in the middle of anti bullying month stated exactly that and tried to use GG as an example of why its okay to bully nerds this of course coming from a man who has stated he wonders how long his blog bashing nerds causes a suicide. and im far too tired to write clearly anyone is free to pick up on this and edit any facts i got wrong and add links because im terrible at that.
[QUOTE=Wormy;46626882]Hopefully I can ask about this in this thread even though it is more about corruption in game journalism, if not then I'm sorry if it's a bit off-topic and I'll snip this post. Anyways, I'm working on a school project where I will write about sexism and hate towards women in the gaming culture. It would be great if I could get some good videos or materials that I can use as sources, stuff about GamerGate and so on (what GamerGate is, how it all started, etc). I'm asking this here since I think a lot of you that visit this thread know quite a lot about this whole thing, and I am personally having a hard time finding any good informative explanations anywhere. I saw the videos in the OP but 2 of the 3 were removed from the looks of it.[/QUOTE] [url]http://press.gamergate.me/dossier/[/url] [url]http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=History_of_GamerGate[/url] [url]http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Timeline[/url] [url]http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Gamers_are_Dead[/url]
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