• Is the general Dislike of Anime unwarranted?
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[QUOTE=Kellerbewohner;34392420]I am mainly enraged by all those guys who cling to such "activities"; just 2 decades ago in the 90s anime was mainly gurls stuff, as fiction should be. The only fiction acceptable for males is science-fiction, but not all that fairy-ass-fantasy-bullshit of nowadays. It is just a close step from Harry Potter to Twilight. I guess it must be a result of the over-feminisation through leftist sexual-agenda in western states...[/QUOTE] This is literally just rambling. Men can only like science fiction, males watching anime is the result of a leftist sexual agenda? ...What?
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;34392702]The original difference was that the 360 version was supposed to have the middle aged man, while the PS3 version had the pretty teen boy. I'm pretty sure this only applied to the Japanese versions, as it was probably a waste of money to translate small lines and have a different voice actor for a PS3 version.[/QUOTE] But that's Squeenix, their good sense jumped ship years ago. [editline]25th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;34392724]This is literally just rambling. Men can only like science fiction, males watching anime is the result of a leftist sexual agenda? ...What?[/QUOTE] [img]http://katawa-shoujo.com/res/char/char_kenji.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34392725] [img]http://katawa-shoujo.com/res/char/char_kenji.png[/img][/QUOTE] Stop thinking what I'm thinking.
It has the same problems as reality tv. 1) It's cheap to produce. 2) It's susceptible to use of cliche stories and cookie cutter characters because of the above fact. That being said not all anime is like this. I have enjoyed a fair many decent story arches which were well thought out and animated. Anime in general just leans to the faults mentioned above.
I do not like how they completely ignore the laws of gravity and such half the time. Not say there are none that do, but I dislike the ones that go from unrealistic to what the fuck am I watching. Especially the ones that are about real events.
[QUOTE=Kellerbewohner;34392229]The dislike of anime is bullshit. Anime is just Japs interpretation of cartoons. But I can truly understand and support the hatred on weaboo fags. Which can be defined by preffering a perverted cliche of what they believe to be asian-culture and are traitors to their own. Both anime-haters(western cartoon prefering) and weaboos(asian cartoon prefering) are shitheads who have to be stabbed with a good piece of reality. It is just fiction- in general ment for children or teenies. The best way to cure such decadent over-overestimate of childish fiction is to be German, by the way : D For educational porpuse; that my children is the typical weeaboo: [IMG]http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2010/02/weeaboo.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] No that guy looks to cool to be your average weaboo. I would actually be willing to talk to him.
Anime seems to receive special treatment because it's culturally exotic. It's a medium that's important to a different culture that's found its way elsewhere and has been judged under cultural prejudice. It sucks for trying to expand in certain foreign countries (read: USA), but that's not its fault. I would talk about the cartoon ghetto but I'd be beating a dead horse. The arguments that people make about its content -- indistinguishable art style and plot -- could be applied to any other area, like film. Common ideas of aesthetic style and common plot elements are called genres, and genres are pervasive through all forms of entertainment. The hardcore anime fan is fundamentally identical to hardcore movie buffs or bookworms, but the stereotype is that they're obnoxious weaboos. I think the agenda for hating anime comes from hating the stereotypical fan. Prejudice not entirely in the sense of being unfamiliar, but sticking to a faulty opinion in spite of learning new information. Hating a few annoying people shouldn't poison the well for you. I hate with a fiery passion douchey film critics who cast aside Inception 'because an art house flick did it first', but they don't ruin movies for me as a whole. In my eyes it's just another medium so it should be regarded as such. I don't think people should write it off entirely without exploring it a little -- if the entertainment doesn't entertain you, what have you lost from trying? What I'm trying to say is yes; the general dislike of anime is unwarranted. [B]Edit: [/B]Also Sailor Bubba is a special case.
not to mention anime has some badass music [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZoAOkRYJ0M[/media]
I'm probably going to get my head chewed off for this, but I'm a big fan of Naruto Shippuden. Yeah yeah, I know, "HURR DURR BELIEVE IT PLOT NO JUTSU FLASHBACKS ERRYWHERE". As ridiculous as an anime/manga it can be, it was one of the first ones I really got into when I was younger. All of the dialogue and lack of fighting can be annoying sometimes, but it can be worth it when you finally get to see some action. I'm not some crazy kawaii desu~~~ weaboo for watching a ridiculous anime, I'm still a regular guy. So yes, a lot of the dislike is unwarranted. Some of it is justified, even I find stuff like Lucky Star annoying and stupid, but a lot of the hatred isn't necessary.
I think a big problem with anime is the impenetrable Japanese-yness of it. Created by Japanese for Japanese, it's the exception when something can resonate with the West. This is compounded by recent anime catering to very specific niches - who will consistently pay good money for something they may have seen many times before. If you don't like an anime then it's probably not intended for you. If you like when you're not the intended audince, more power to ya. Of course, the often poor animation and writing - largely due to constrained budgets and historically getting away with it - may put people off.
American TV is too stable, Anime breaks boundary's and actually have good stories.
[QUOTE=Secrios;34398229]American TV is too stable, Anime breaks boundary's and actually have good stories.[/QUOTE] You should have a look at other countries' works if you hate American TV, y'know. I rarely watch American shows, with a few key exceptions.
Personally, I just dislike the drawing and general style of animes/mangas. I just don't dig the style in which characters are presented. Except for a few mangas that I found quite good. But I often associate Mangas/Animes with stupid memeshit and other fucked up pictures, which is a fault from my part. Besides I do not like the plots, although some are bloody brilliant. But there are many stupid ones.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34392724]This is literally just rambling. Men can only like science fiction, males watching anime is the result of a leftist sexual agenda? ...What?[/QUOTE] Not my problem if you cannot read my words.
[QUOTE=Kellerbewohner;34419124]Not my problem if you cannot read my words.[/QUOTE] Oh no, I read them. They just don't make any sense and aren't grounded in reality.
[QUOTE=junker|154;34417006]Personally, I just dislike the drawing and general style of animes/mangas. I just don't dig the style in which characters are presented. Except for a few mangas that I found quite good. But I often associate Mangas/Animes with stupid memeshit and other fucked up pictures, which is a fault from my part. Besides I do not like the plots, although some are bloody brilliant. But there are many stupid ones.[/QUOTE] What kind of anime/manga have you been exposed to? As you know there's a huge variation in style/plot/character design that largely depends on target demographic.
[QUOTE=Secrios;34398229]American TV is too stable, Anime breaks boundary's and actually have good stories.[/QUOTE] I can agree with you on the lack of adult oriented animations in America. This doesn't apply to all western animations everywhere else though.
Probably has been said already, but I'm just going to get the point further across. There are dozens of good anime and manga. The infamy of it is mostly to blame on the wank mainstream anime dominating the media, and the people watching it giving the whole thing a bad name with their behaviour. I'm not afraid to state in public that I enjoy anime and manga greatly, liking various aspects of japanese culture as well. I just do not act like a "weaboo" tool generally, or if I get a rare urge to do so, keep that in companies related. You'll be surprised that not all anime is based around "uguu kawaii/harem" stuff. If anyone regards me as a hikikomori weaboo virgin after, woe on them for being ignorant. Breaking stereotypes here.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;34423260]What kind of anime/manga have you been exposed to? As you know there's a huge variation in style/plot/character design that largely depends on target demographic.[/QUOTE] I bought a few manga books/comics a while ago. A friend always wanted to watch some animes with me. They were pretty mediocre. Also I went to a special Manga store, I picked up the most promising sounding books, they were pretty meh to me.
[QUOTE=junker|154;34432099]I bought a few manga books/comics a while ago. A friend always wanted to watch some animes with me. They were pretty mediocre. Also I went to a special Manga store, I picked up the most promising sounding books, they were pretty meh to me.[/QUOTE] If you really want to get into manga, I recommend Great Teacher Onizuka. If you're still young and in school it may even change your perspective on a lot of shit, because the subject matter goes really deep into the social development process that is attending public school.
I do not want to get into manga, nor do I have and interest in it. I just like some themes that are being discussed in different mangas.
huge generalization. I tend to read reviews on anime before I watch
Anyone trying to go with an argument that anime is undetailed is horribly wrong for the most part. Sure, the lower quality stuff is worse in details and overall visuals, but that applies just as well to Western cartoons. Great example of anime detail taken seriously is stuff like Dead Leaves, Panty & Stocking and Tengen-Toppa Gurren Lagann. All three have pretty frigging neat details that you miss on the first time watching. Second time you start noticing them and start appreciating the work the animators have put into them.
[QUOTE=junker|154;34432099]I bought a few manga books/comics a while ago. A friend always wanted to watch some animes with me. They were pretty mediocre. Also I went to a special Manga store, I picked up the most promising sounding books, they were pretty meh to me.[/QUOTE] I suppose you don't remember their titles then. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE='[Green];34434936']Anyone trying to go with an argument that anime is undetailed is horribly wrong for the most part. Sure, the lower quality stuff is worse in details and overall visuals, but that applies just as well to Western cartoons. Great example of anime detail taken seriously is stuff like Dead Leaves, Panty & Stocking and Tengen-Toppa Gurren Lagann. All three have pretty frigging neat details that you miss on the first time watching. Second time you start noticing them and start appreciating the work the animators have put into them.[/QUOTE] And then you watch episode 4 of Teggen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34419418]Oh no, I read them. They just don't make any sense and aren't grounded in reality.[/QUOTE] You did not understand the fact that reality is just a consense out of the allabout subjective opinions and neither can be called objective, only as objective as possible. But still it is just hegemony of such opinion to be broken.
Sorry to say, but that shit sucks
I think it has a lot to do with the combination of general "cheesiness" associated with foreign entertainment, bad translation, and unfitting culture trends. To an American, what we see in most Anime can be described as immature and sort of ridiculous, while in Japan, their views and intentions are probably much more playful and, well, ridiculous. No matter what anime I watch, I always have a sense of awkwardness while watching it. Even Cowboy Bebop and selected Miyazaki films make me feel this way.
[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;34442393]I think it has a lot to do with the combination of general "cheesiness" associated with foreign entertainment, bad translation, and unfitting culture trends. To an American, what we see in most Anime can be described as immature and sort of ridiculous, while in Japan, their views and intentions are probably much more playful and, well, ridiculous. No matter what anime I watch, I always have a sense of awkwardness while watching it. Even Cowboy Bebop and selected Miyazaki films make me feel this way.[/QUOTE] In short, that shit is not righteous
People dislike anime because it's everywhere and you can't do anything about it. Ignoring it is not an option; you cannot escape. It's always there, no matter where you go. People dislike most of the other things such as bronies, Justin Bieber and the-newest-fad-of-that-time for the exact same reason.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;34444911]People dislike anime because it's everywhere and you can't do anything about it. Ignoring it is not an option; you cannot escape. It's always there, no matter where you go. People dislike most of the other things such as bronies, Justin Bieber and the-newest-fad-of-that-time for the exact same reason.[/QUOTE] So maybe people should dislike all movies and music because it's everywhere? Anime isn't a fad, there are a lot of different series from a lot of different genres. A certain anime might be a fad, but anime as a whole? Not really.
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