• The logic behind Religion
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[QUOTE=LaTrefle;32375861]Before trying to prove there is no God, try to explain what happened from the start. There is something out there that we don't know. You can't deny it.[/QUOTE] And science has the chance to find out what they are. If not, it's still going to answer other questions that religion never could. Furthermore, you don't need to prove somthing for which there is no proof.
[QUOTE=overpain;32375926]Religion is a way to control mass amount of people.[/QUOTE] Now is it absolutely a bad thing ? I don't think so.
to control people.
[QUOTE=Conn92;32375908]No one on this planet knows the exact origins of the universe, yes, we have theories as to where we came from, but none of them are without problems. I think until we have substantial evidence as to our origins it would be ignorant and wrong to bash other peoples' beliefs, however ridiculous or unlikely they are.[/QUOTE] Believing in God isn't an answer to the origins of the universe. It begs more questions than answers. Who is God? Who made God? What was there before God existed?
[QUOTE=overpain;32375926]Religion is a way to control mass amount of people.[/QUOTE] It is also a way to comfort a widow who has recently lost their husband in the battle for cancer, donating millions to the underprivileged across the globe and one of humanity's first steps to a proper civilization.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;32375948]And science has the chance to find out what they are. If not, it's still going to answer other questions religion never could.[/QUOTE] The only way to completely disprove religion is if scientists can explain exactly what happened from the beginning to now and even them people will still be in denial.
[QUOTE=garry;32375903]You don't have to prove there isn't a God, there's no evidence for God. It works the other way around. You have to prove there is a God.[/QUOTE] You don't really have to prove either. Which is good, because it's impossible to prove either. Whether or not there's a God is a matter of faith, no matter which side you're on. There are ideas about the nature of God you can say are illogical, and there are ideas about the earth or universe that you can disprove. But you can't prove the existence or lack of existence of a God or gods in general.
[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;32375894]There are no "mountains of scientific evidence" for saying God doesn't exist, and if you're talking about Evolution and stuff like that, then you're lumping all Christians into one group, which is not intellectually honest.[/quote] I didn't say there was evidence specifically disproving god, I was saying there's evidence that contradicts claims in the bible which state that there is a god. Genesis says the world was created in a few days, science has proven that the world was not created over a few days, but over billions of years. [quote]Whether or not there's a God is not a matter of science, thinking otherwise is extreme arrogance on the part of an Atheist.[/QUOTE] So religion is exempt from the rules that bind everything else? Like physics and logic? If I wrote a book claiming that you need to have faith in something, and in my book I defied the laws of physics, made unscientific clams, and spouted a ton of illogic nonsense, does that make me valid because I'm writing about religion?
Telling Religion is bad because it has no logic is like saying food is bad because it nourishes you. It's not made to have a logic, it's made to give people comfort where science can't pretend to.
[QUOTE=garry;32375903]You don't have to prove there isn't a God, there's no evidence for God. It works the other way around. You have to prove there is a God.[/QUOTE] You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.
[QUOTE=Parker;32375972]It is also a way to comfort a widow who has recently lost their husband in the battle for cancer, donating millions to the underprivileged across the globe and one of humanity's first steps to a proper civilization.[/QUOTE] And it also creates segregation, is telling people that AIDS is caused by condoms, and has let a lot of children get raped by those to whom their care was entrusted. But hey, at least it comforts some people right?
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32375924]But a lot of people would argue that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John would be truthful because they're basically eye-witness accounts of Jesus' life and the majority of the events that are described in them have been proven by historians to be true.[/QUOTE] Jesus could very well have existed, but I think he was an ordinary man whose followers made him out to be the Messias and shit.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32375988]Telling Religion is bad because it has no logic is like saying food is bad because it nourishes you. It's not made to have a logic, it's made to give people comfort where science can't pretend to.[/QUOTE] People don't operate on logic though so how can you prove logic is that important? We have the skills to do so but every decision we make is not thought out logically.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32375988]Telling Religion is bad because it has no logic is like saying food is bad because it nourishes you. It's not made to have a logic, it's made to give people comfort where science can't pretend to.[/QUOTE] I can write a book about anything that defies logic. Are you going to believe in it despite its illogical nature because society tells you to?
[QUOTE=RusMar;32375932]Proving things is important, but how can you explain things like the creation of the universe?[/QUOTE] With science? I don't understand the question, but I'm positive that "God made it" isn't the right answer.
[quote]Believing in God isn't an answer to the origins of the universe. It begs more questions than answers. Who is God? Who made God? What was there before God existed?[/quote] In general religions consider questions more important than answers, from what I've seen. At least that's true about the more "enlightened" religions.
[QUOTE=Scar;32376015]Jesus could very well have existed, but I think he was an ordinary man whose followers made him out to be the Messias and shit.[/QUOTE] Jesus is in history books. His claims are what make his religion.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;32376009]You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.[/QUOTE] No, that's science.
[QUOTE=Scar;32376015]Jesus could very well have existed, but I think he was an ordinary man whose followers made him out to be the Messias and shit.[/QUOTE] How do you explain his miracles then? How do you explain his followers seeing him after his death on the cross?
Gods are a concept in the human mind that was designed so it cannot be argued with logic and reason, thus you can't prove or disprove the existance of gods. That's mainly the reason religion requires such heavy amounts of faith, you need to shut down logic to be able to believe in a god/gods. Personally I don't like the concept of a god, it just creates more questions that need to be answered.
[QUOTE=garry;32376032]With science? I don't understand the question, but I'm positive that "God made it" isn't the right answer.[/QUOTE] My point is without a real indisputable answer, people will make up another answer.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;32376009]You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.[/QUOTE] That's wrong. You can't prove god exists, and you can't prove he doesn't. The whole point is having faith that an "unexplained" act is the result of god's will, the mere fact that the only thing telling you God did it is your faith makes it impossible to rightfully push other people to believe the same thing if they don't share the same faith as you in the first place.
Also about that " Religion is a way to move a mass of people", that doesn't goes in Muslims. Fuck those arab assholes, poluting this beautiful religion. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Dumb" - garry))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;32376009]You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.[/QUOTE] Prove that there isn't an invisible Penis in front of you. You also can't really sense it in any way, but it's there! I mean, this post claims so! Does this mean you have to accept this claim because you can't find evidence against it?
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;32376009]You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.[/QUOTE] Of course you do.
[QUOTE=garry;32376032]With science? I don't understand the question, but I'm positive that "God made it" isn't the right answer.[/QUOTE]Garry,i completely agree with you this time. Also,science already answered that it was from big bang
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;32376009]You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.[/QUOTE] What movements and what activities? Please show me scientifically proven evidence of this. And yes, you do need evidence to prove something. Claims are not right until proven wrong with evidence..they are wrong until proven right with evidence.
[QUOTE=Noble;32375803]Oh, right, so ignoring mountains of scientific evidence and saying we don't need logic is obviously something an educated person would do.[/QUOTE] Yeah but if you're religious and really believe in god, you would take "God's word" over human evidence. That's how religion works.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32376043]How do you explain his miracles then? How do you explain his followers seeing him after his death on the cross?[/QUOTE] Stories that were made up to make more people convert? On an unrelated note, this subforum was a brilliant idea Garry
[QUOTE=Noble;32375985]I didn't say there was evidence specifically disproving god, I was saying there's evidence that contradicts claims in the bible which state that there is a god. Genesis says the world was created in a few days, science has proven that the world was not created over a few days, but over billions of years. So religion is exempt from the rules that bind everything else? Like physics and logic? If I wrote a book claiming that you need to have faith in something, and in my book I defied the laws of physics, made unscientific clams, and spouted a ton of illogic nonsense, does that make me valid because I'm writing about religion?[/QUOTE] Remember when I told you to stop lumping all Christians in with fundamentalists? Because you obviously weren't listening.
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