• Pirating and other illegal free options through the internet
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[i]We've all heard about it, most of us are against it, and some are for it.[/i] [u]These are my thoughts, I do not pirate things and it is completely immoral to do so.[/u] [h2]Pirating[/h2] [b]What's right?[/b] For me, the so called 'good' or 'right' things in pirating different software would be the term used by kids when they try to convince someone why they are doing it. The short "I try it, then buy it!". This would often be caused by the lack of demos, or that the persons doing it have no idea how to find those. [b]What's not right?[/b] Of course, everything speaks against pirating. It's immoral, it doesn't support the creators of the game so it can't develop (a.k.a stupidity) etc etc. An imortant point of this is that it simply is [b]stealing[/b]. You wouldn't steal a handbag..! What's your opinion?
[QUOTE=Confuzzed Otto;32376853]It's immoral,[B] it doesn't support the creators of the game so it can't develop[/B] (a.k.a stupidity) etc etc.[/QUOTE] Sources? I would argue exactly the opposite, pirating is essentially free marketing for them. Edit: [URL="http://torrentfreak.com/indie-game-devs-post-pirated-game-on-the-pirate-bay-110909/"]Certain indie devs happen to agree with me.[/URL]
That right,because if you pirate anything,it isn't actually steal,it's like copying a copy.If you won't buy game anyway,and didn't buyed it,or pirated it,there isn't really difference for creators.
I have an idea: Let's stop funding the fight against "online stealing" and use it for something useful. Oh, and please, RIAA, justify how copying a song causes $100,000 in damages.
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;32376936]Sources? I would argue exactly the opposite, pirating is essentially free marketing for them. Edit: [URL="http://torrentfreak.com/indie-game-devs-post-pirated-game-on-the-pirate-bay-110909/"]Certain indie devs happen to agree with me.[/URL][/QUOTE] I don't have a link, but I'll give you an example instead. Sony puts alot of their resources to prevent pirating of their software, these resources could be used for other thing like making new games, or speeding up, improving Playstation 4.
[QUOTE=overpain;32376949]That right,because if you pirate anything,it isn't actually steal,it's like copying a copy.If you won't buy game anyway,and didn't buyed it,or pirated it,there isn't really difference for creators.[/QUOTE] Your punctuation could perhaps do with a bit more spacing I think that most people weren't going to buy said product anyway, so its not really a loss of sales for them
Piracy can, in some cases, be justified, such as if you lost your copy of a game and would like to play it again. However, for the most part, it can't. Your reference to the 'You wouldn't steal a...' advertisments is irrelevant, as they are not the same thing. 'Stealing' by definition means "to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force". Whereas piracy creates a duplicate of the original product for the user to download. Nothing is ever 'taken away' with piracy, only copies given out, making it seperate to 'stealing'.
You can argue all you want about what is stealing and what's not, whether or not piracy affects revenue and etc. The fact if the matter is, the creator of the software does not want you to pirate it.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32377089]You can argue all you want about what is stealing and what's not, whether or not piracy affects revenue and etc. [B]The fact if the matter is, the creator of the software does not want you to pirate it.[/B][/QUOTE] I can't be the only one who's "pirated" a game that I already own because of intrusive DRM. When that happens, what the devs want is completely irrelevant to me.
[QUOTE=overpain;32376949]That right,because if you pirate anything,it isn't actually steal,it's like copying a copy.[/QUOTE] No, it is definately stealing. You are taking something for FREE that is supposed to cost money, whatever way you try to spin it by saying it's copying in the end it is still stealing.
In my opinion, pirating is bad, yet I do it. The simple fact that it's so easy and has little-to-no consequences (That I have experienced) makes it a very desirable way to get games for free that I cannot resist.
Depends on why you're pirating really. If you want to play a game you purchased and you can't get the disk working for some reason then I would agree with it, if it was because you just don't like buying shit then I would have to disagree with it.
I will pirate something to demo it, then if the devs deserve it I will support them by buying the full product. [editline]19th September 2011[/editline] I'm not going to pay for something when I have no idea whether it is shit or not.
If a Developer doesn't release a Demo, by all means torrent it to try it out, if it sucks you're going to delete it anyway, if you enjoy it, buy it. Simple.
I think that piracy is excusable only when: You've already bought a game (and lost the disc/drm hates you) You cannot buy the game (is not published anymore / in your country). I've never pirated any games or music, but it makes me sad when people say "lol buying data you're dum". And all those people who say that they buy after they pirate are a)Harder to tempt than Jesus b) Liars. This is not to say that I haven't sat on torrent sites just looking at iso's for games that I want but cannot buy.
I feel no shame if I pirate music where A) the musician is dead or the group otherwise ceased to exist and B) if they are crazy successful anyway.
absolutely nothing can be done to stop piracy theres no way no matter how much people want to stop it
I'll be honest I pirate a game before buying to see if I like it and to see if I can run it. If I don't enjoy it I delete and move on, I always make sure to buy if I enjoy it. I wish I had pirated dead island first though because I spent €30 on it and can't play it because of a glitch which crashes my drivers or something. But other than that I don't see pirating for that kind of reason as bad.
Piracy is the only reason I've bought a lot of games. Minecraft: One friend in class played a pirated version in class. Then like 3 guys played it in class. I tried it on friend's machine for a bit. Next week, half the class was playing it in class, including me. 2-3 weeks later, half the class bought the game. Not including me, because I bought Minecraft way before that, I bought it like 3-5 days after playing it for the first time. Sure, it's anecdotal, but it's big enough for me, and there's been other such cases for me.
Piracy is alright in some cases. I agree with nikomo, it gives you a taste of something. It's no good if you buy a game/some music and you hate it, that's just money wasted. So think of piracy as a demo, and if you like it, buy the whole thing. But I hate it when people take it too far, when they just not bother about buying and they torrent everything they want.
Devs need to start making features that actually reward customers for buying the game, and not make a dumb DRM system that causes more hassle for the genuine customer than the pirate.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;32377603]I feel no shame if I pirate music where A) the musician is dead or the group otherwise ceased to exist and B) if they are crazy successful anyway.[/QUOTE] What about the money the record label deserves?
"it's only okay when I do it" -pirates who think they should download an extended demo (aka the whole damn game)
[QUOTE=Kero_;32378048]What about the money the record label deserves?[/QUOTE] If it's an indie label sure. Not if it's some gigantic one like WMG
It's up to the developer's discretion to moderate the distribution of their content.
[QUOTE=Kero_;32378048]What about the money the record label deserves?[/QUOTE] They ruin people's lives for downloading one song.
Snoop dog can't afford his 15th golden Ferrari because you torrented his music.You monster. Torrenting music is bad.
I'm part of the "try it then buy it group", except I often forget to buy it and end up playing the game through, not wanting to pay for it since I'm finished. However, I dislike torrenting games because they never run as well as the store bought versions. Never. Music, on the other hand, I'm fine with people torrenting because as SEVERAL musicians have personally stated, they make their own money from touring. Album sales amount to very little to them, it's the record companies that make money there.
[QUOTE=The Unforgotten;32378247]Snoop dog can't afford his 15th golden Ferrari because you torrented his music.You monster. Torrenting music is bad.[/QUOTE] It's not about how many Ferrari's Snoop Dog has, it about justice. If you do art for your living, you expect people to buy your work, not illegally get it. Even if a man is the richest on earth, he still deserves his money for what he has done.
I see piracy excusable if your demoing the game to see whether or not it is worth a buy or it runs on your computer, or to bypass DRM and whatnot, which is a pain.
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