• Atheists are more interested in Religion than most Religious People
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[QUOTE=Goodthief;32570365]Ok I understand that not everyone falls into the scope of this but: if a child were born in a Christian family that raised him to believe the lord, he will believe in the lord because children at a young age are leaning, if you plant a seed in their head it will grow. Once they become older that seed would have grown into a tree, now this is where it gets tough. A child will find it hard to [I]let go[/I] of his previous beliefs (evolution does not exist, gays are bad, women are inferior) because to him it's a fundemantal part of his knowledge, he grew up learning stuff like that so trying to convince him otherwise would be nearly impossible. Eventually the child will procreate and he will place all of his "knowledge" into the head of his child, and the cycle goes on. You see, i'm not saying that Religious people are idiots (in a sense) because if it were me in the situation I too would probably fall for the same trick. In my opinion, it's fine to have a religion but ONLY if you: - don't let it affect your relationship with others - come up with the idea on your own (don't get forced by your parents) - don't let it go against your morals, if your religion says that gays are bad and you don't think so then just ignore it and don't believe it.[/QUOTE] I can confirm this. I was born and raised Christian, and it wasn't until the Mass Debate forum came I began to think about my religion and why I follow it. You guys have probably seen me lurking every topic related to religion.
[QUOTE=Sickle;32571401]The way I like to see the whole, 'Religion gives people in a bad position something to look up to for help' is; Religion might provide comfort for a deadly disease, but science ultimately provides the cure. And if the money dedicated to religion in this day and age was put to science, we'd have that cure.[/QUOTE] I don't think the government pays people for being religious. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Suzune;32571438]I can confirm this. I was born and raised Christian, and it wasn't until the Mass Debate forum came I began to think about my religion and why I follow it. You guys have probably seen me lurking every topic related to religion.[/QUOTE] Yes, but try and avoid the "arguement" based thread because you may get offended quite a bit. It's very simple to give up something that once made you happy. It only counts if you are interested in delving further into personalities and not submitting.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32569101]Well that's not nice. Religious folk do things to help the poor. As in meaningful things.[/QUOTE] Everyone else does good things for other people too. Or are you seriously suggesting that religious people are genuinely kinder than everyone else? [QUOTE=AK'z;32570662]Crushing someone's happiness is an example of a poor human choice.[/QUOTE] How is disproving someone's religion crushing their happiness? The whole 'religion vs. atheism' thing isn't about ignorant bliss versus enlightened cynicism, and its pretty condescending to both sides to assume that it is. This has to be probably the third-most annoying religious apologist stock defence ever - that religion is some magic fount of joy and hope, and that those who accept it are never depressed and dissapointed the way everyone else is, so why don't you curmudgeonly little anti-theists quit ruining everyone else's fun?
[QUOTE=LCBADs;32572393]Or are you seriously suggesting that religious people are genuinely kinder than everyone else?[/QUOTE] No, it's just one of the things they do. I didn't say they're better at all. Standard misunderstanding.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32571413]They pretty much are if you are looking at it just to gain insights into what people have thought.[/QUOTE] Yeah I like to understand things like why someone would convert to the religion, what benefits he gets, why would someone not belong in a religion and stuff. Also how they are born is very interesting, like Hinduism is fucking interesting. Also all myths and religious cults. When you find information about religions you start to respect them, they're not useless (in some situations), but they shouldn't bring religion into politics and business. Also, someone who is in a religion can concider him/herself free, and someone who isn't in a religion can concider him/herself free. You live only once so it's not a big deal if you want to believe or not. I myself don't believe it won't give me any benefits. wow wall of text i havent never wrote so muchh
[QUOTE=LCBADs;32572393] How is disproving someone's religion cruching their happiness? The whole 'religion vs. atheism' thing isn't about ignorant bliss versus enlightened cynicism, and its pretty condescending to both sides to assume that it is. This has to be probably the third-most annoying religious apologist stock defence ever - that religion is some magic fount of joy and hope, and that those who accept it are never depressed and dissapointed the way everyone else is, so why don't you curmudgeonly little anti-theists quit ruining everyone else's fun? [/QUOTE] This thread isn't religion vs. atheism. I'm not anti-atheist. I don't think religion is a magic fountain of joy and hope. And Depression and Disappointment aren't good things to feel and not everyone is disappointed or depressed. Are you?
[QUOTE=AK'z;32570679]True, the parents/teachers have been cruel which creates a certain fear in them that takes a lot to die out. That's why we should feel sympathy for ones who have had this done for them. It's not religion itself to blame, but the people. [/QUOTE] The religion is the people. For example, the pope says that condoms are bad, people in Africa get aids then everyone says "it's not the religion it's the people" well the pope is the religion, he's the one that tells everyone what to believe and what not to believe, for God's sake he edited the bible
[QUOTE=Joppari;32572428]Yeah I like to understand things like why someone would convert to the religion, what benefits he gets, why would someone not belong in a religion and stuff. Also how they are born is very interesting, like Hinduism is fucking interesting. Also all myths and religious cults. When you find information about religions you start to respect them, they're not useless (in some situations), but they shouldn't bring religion into politics and business. Also, someone who is in a religion can concider him/herself free, and someone who isn't in a religion can concider him/herself free. You live only once so it's not a big deal if you want to believe or not. I myself don't believe it won't give me any benefits. wow wall of text i havent never wrote so muchh[/QUOTE] Wall of text or not, I agree entirely. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Goodthief;32572477]The religion is the people. For example, the pope says that condoms are bad, people in Africa get aids then everyone says "it's not the religion it's the people" well the pope is the religion, he's the one that tells everyone what to believe and what not to believe, for God's sake he edited the bible[/QUOTE] Since when do people [I]have[/I] to listen to the pope?
[QUOTE=AK'z;32572488] Since when do people [I]have[/I] to listen to the pope?[/QUOTE] the pope governs the religious laws, people that are so engulfed in religion follow him well, religiously. and that has given him great power
[QUOTE=AK'z;32572469]This thread isn't religion vs. atheism. I'm not anti-atheist. I don't think religion is a magic fountain of joy and hope. And Depression and Disappointment aren't good things to feel and not everyone is disappointed or depressed. Are you?[/QUOTE] In once capacity or another, that's what it is. I didn't say you were an anti-thiest. I didn't mean to say that everyone is depressed, but you know what I mean. Fine, you don't believe that religion is a magic fountain of joy and hope, but the fact that you still equate 'convincing someone that their religion is wrong' with 'crushing their happiness' means that you consider religion to be a significant source of happiness. And even if that still wasn't the case, the comment isn't about you at this point, it's about that particular arguement in general.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;32572802]you consider religion to be a significant source of happiness. [/QUOTE] Not for me, but for some people it is. That's the point.
[QUOTE=Goodthief;32572630]the pope governs the religious laws, people that are so engulfed in religion follow him well, religiously. and that has given him great power[/QUOTE] I think he means that the pope isn't the leader of all religious people and not even all Christians. We in the church of England have the Archbishop of Canterbury in a similar position as the pope, but he doesn't make religious laws. He's just the most senior bishop in the church, we listen to him because he's high ranking in the church, but we don't have to do what he says. He's just a man, like everybody else.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32569101]Well that's not nice. Religious folk do things to help the poor. As in meaningful things.[/QUOTE] Well wouldn't the person themselves deserve the respect and not the religion? I mean its the people who are doing it.
That old women is a ignorant, idiotic, fool. That man is trying to have a decent conversation but she is obviously too stupid and brainwashed to have a damn conversation about it. In my opinion, that is exactly what religion does. A tool to control the mind. But some religious people don't overdo it and are fine.
I'm an atheist and as far as I can tell no atheist I know, including myself care much about religion or even bring it up; unless someone is trying to preach to me that pisses me off.
Maybe in the US where atheists are in the minority, but in plenty of countries i.e. here atheists rarely have to give a fuck
[QUOTE=An Actual Bear;32575935]I'm an atheist and as far as I can tell no atheist I know, including myself care much about religion or even bring it up; unless someone is trying to preach to me that pisses me off.[/QUOTE] people try to preach to you? how would they even know? usually most everyone is just assumed to be christian unless they say otherwise. more to the general topic: i find the history interesting but I don't care at all for religion.
I don't tell people that I am atheist, but if they bring up there religion and start getting preachy it irritates me.
never happens to me and i live in georgia
and that means it doesn't happen to anybody
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32577506]people try to preach to you? how would they even know? usually most everyone is just assumed to be christian unless they say otherwise. [/QUOTE] You mean you have never seen the door to door guys, the on the street preachers or that people that go to schools and colleges to tell you go to there church?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32578457]You mean you have never seen the door to door guys, the on the street preachers or that people that go to schools and colleges to tell you go to there church?[/QUOTE] I haven't.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32578257]never happens to me and i live in georgia[/QUOTE] Probably because in georgia everyone is the same religion. In states like californa there is many different faiths so there is more incentive to bring people to theirs. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;32578507]I haven't.[/QUOTE] Good for you.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;32572802] but the fact that you still equate 'convincing someone that their religion is wrong' with 'crushing their happiness' means that you consider religion to be a significant source of happiness. And even if that still wasn't the case, the comment isn't about you at this point, it's about that particular arguement in general.[/QUOTE] your heartless if you know someone believes strongly in something which you can't disprove (religion according to yall has no proof, so how can you DISprove it?) why would you try and convince them it's wrong?
[QUOTE=Jookia;32578332]and that means it doesn't happen to anybody[/QUOTE] Never implied that golly [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32578457]You mean you have never seen the door to door guys, the on the street preachers or that people that go to schools and colleges to tell you go to there church?[/QUOTE] I haven't. [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32578523]Probably because in georgia everyone is the same religion. In states like californa there is many different faiths so there is more incentive to bring people to theirs.[/QUOTE] Actually you have a lot of diversity in Atlanta which is where I'm going to school. About 30-45 mins south (where I'm from) It's still fairly diverse and suburbia.
[QUOTE=Ladowerf;32579063] (religion according to yall has no proof, so how can you DISprove it?)[/QUOTE] Actually you don't have to refute proof to prove something is false. Using any type of logical argument can do that. Simply showing that something doesn't has proof disproves it or explaining why it isn't logical to believe in something disproves it. I hate how some people act like not having proof makes a belief better because you can't "disprove it". [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DOG-GY;32579422]I haven't..[/QUOTE]Never had Mormons come to your door? Well your lucky I have them come almost every week.
[QUOTE=Ladowerf;32579063] if you know someone believes strongly in something which you can't disprove (religion according to yall has no proof, so how can you DISprove it?) why would you try and convince them it's wrong?[/QUOTE] This argument again? I'll let the video do the explaining [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07JvzfO0vOk[/media]
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32579427]Never had Mormons come to your door? Well your lucky I have them come almost every week.[/QUOTE] not to my knowledge
Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, I see them all the time. If my neighborhood wasn't so far out of the way they would no doubt be coming down my street as well. Even when I was visiting my grandparents in New Jeresy they'd come by at least once a week.
My opinion on the matter is everyone should be free to believe what they want to believe, just don't preach to me, I have a Mormon friend that will sometimes just look at me and say "You will see one day, the day where the lion will lay with the lamb." (or something along those lines) and it pisses me off so much when he says it.
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