• FrankenRig: One Man's Quest to Turn a Surplus Store Desktop into a Cheap Gaming PC
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[U][I]FrankenRig[/I][/U] [B]Alright you dinglehoppers, check it out.[/B] This here is a repossessed desktop selling for $80. It contains a second-gen i5 Processor. [t]http://i.imgur.com/rIVshZd.jpg[/t] According to [URL="http://hightechiraq.com/node/848"]this[/URL], the motherboard has 2 PCIe x16 slots. Snapshot of the BIOS: [t]http://i.imgur.com/QAz1JLA.jpg[/t] I'm thinking of putting in an [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487088&cm_re=gtx_970-_-14-487-088-_-Product"]Nvidia GTX 970[/URL], a [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820156066&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Solid+State+Disk-_-N82E16820156066&gclid=CjwKEAiAo7C2BRDgqODGq5r38DsSJAAv7dTPT7MEWCM8hU7Abxsx5wVY4_QfohBBTVbJl7qrF5HMtBoC-UDw_wcB"]Crucial 250gb SSD[/URL], and a [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840&cm_re=seagate_1tb-_-22-148-840-_-Product"]Seagate 1tb HDD[/URL]. Totaly cost would come to be $531.97 Thoughts? I'm really thinking of going through with this, and I'll keep this thread updated on the progress of the project.
Well that's a third gen i5, but there are some issues with this. 1. You're going to need a new PSU as well 2. Most of those cases are REALLY tight. You'll want to get the smallest 970 you can find likely. Measure the distance from the back of the case to the hard drive bays where the GPU would go. 3. Airflow is likely going to be shit, especially when you add a GPU to a case that just really wasn't meant for one. Take a look at the fan mounts it has open and measure them. You'll likely want to fill every one you can. 4. 4gb of RAM is tight nowadays In all honesty I'd scrap most of it. You can get a new case, PSU, and 8gb of RAM for a bit over $100. At least get the case and PSU. [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YgtVhM]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YgtVhM/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbxl]G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($32.99 @ Newegg) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-s210002]NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($34.99 @ Directron) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii520bronze]SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($55.99 @ SuperBiiz) [b]Total:[/b] $123.97 [i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i] [i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-23 19:09 EST-0500[/i]
Wow, that was only $80? What a steal. Going along with Levelog's advice, I'd recommend: 1. Grab a fan to ziptie onto the heatsink or an aftermarket heatsink 2. Shove it in a ATX case, 3. Grab some RAM 4. Grab one of those [URL="https://slickdeals.net/f/8514817-xfx-radeon-r9-380-4gb-gddr5-256-bit-video-card-170-after-20-rebate-free-s-h?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBar"]$170 R9 380s[/URL] on sale.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;49801609]Wow, that was only $80? What a steal. That's a SFF PC with a 240-320W PSU so it won't fit regular components without swapping it into another case. Would the motherboard even fit into an ATX case, though? Looks proprietary.[/QUOTE] Most manufacturers have laid off a lot of the proprietary motherboards since the Core2 era.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49801635]Most manufacturers have laid off a lot of the proprietary motherboards since the Core2 era.[/QUOTE] Oh, I got confused because the 8300CMT model uses a different one from the other 8300s, but it does look like in the service manual the 8300CMT uses an ATX board. My bad. Updated my post above.
That's because they use the same fucking model number for the whole line. Including the shitty SFF ones that use SODIMMs.
I dunno. Those HP cases have okayish airflow. You can feel the air being sucked in through the front at least even on their low setting. I have a much more questionable case with roughly those specs. :v: If there are any fan speed settings, I would make sure they aren't set to lowest like they usually are though.
Gosh I was not expecting such a great response to this thread. [QUOTE=fishyfish777;49801609]Wow, that was only $80? What a steal.[/QUOTE] Just the computer itself, this picture was me booting up the BIOS at the store. My University has a whole warehouse full of anything from monitors to server boxes, the public gets to buy them once they're no longer considered state property after a certain date. [QUOTE=fishyfish777;49801609]4. Grab one of those [URL="https://slickdeals.net/f/8514817-xfx-radeon-r9-380-4gb-gddr5-256-bit-video-card-170-after-20-rebate-free-s-h?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBar"]$170 R9 380s[/URL] on sale.[/QUOTE] My roommate (who's more experienced than I am at this) told me that AMD graphics cards are made to work with AMD Processors, likewise with Nvidia/Intel. I know it can be done, but he said it'd end up "weird". If he's wrong I'll gladly pick this up. Thanks. [QUOTE=Levelog;49801322]1. You're going to need a new PSU as well.[/QUOTE] Can someone else confirm this? I asked the roomie about this as well, he said that it wouldn't be a problem, but I wouldn't be doing this if I planned to base all my plans on one source of information. Thanks! :D [QUOTE=Levelog;49801322]2. Most of those cases are REALLY tight. You'll want to get the smallest 970 you can find likely. Measure the distance from the back of the case to the hard drive bays where the GPU would go.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibCMaapFNA"]This person[/URL] [I]seems[/I] to have had no problems putting a GPU in. If only he'd back the camera away so I could see the whole thing... Is that GPU on the small side? [B]EDIT:[/B] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIh1jLFoJLw"]Found another look at his build.[/URL] [QUOTE=Levelog;49801322]4. 4gb of RAM is tight nowadays.[/QUOTE] [I]Ohhhh yeah[/I], that was one of the first things on the list. I'm thinking 8gb. Should've put that in the OP. [QUOTE=Demache;49802255]I have a much more questionable case with roughly those specs. If there are any fan speed settings, I would make sure they aren't set to lowest like they usually are though.[/QUOTE] Picture/link of your case? Also how would I go about adjusting hard fan settings? Also, brb, gotta go find clips of Courage the Cowardly Dog.
Sorry but your roommate really doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about. A 320w OEM PSU is not equipped to handle that at all. Granted it could be a different PSU than the stock in there, take a picture. AMD GPU's were not meant to work with AMD CPU's, same with Intel and nvidia. Don't know where he got that from. The case might work just fine, I just don't know. Measuring where the card is going to be is the only way to know.
[QUOTE=Nightscout;49802708] My roommate (who's more experienced than I am at this) told me that AMD graphics cards are made to work with AMD Processors, likewise with Nvidia/Intel. I know it can be done, but he said it'd end up "weird". If he's wrong I'll gladly pick this up. Thanks.[/QUOTE] To be honest that sounds like a farfetched myth, I mean manufacturers mix and match CPUs with GPUs all the time and those components usually aren't problematic. Apple, for instance, is known for using Intel processors with everything from Intel's own GMA/Iris graphics, to NVidia GeForce, to AMD "FirePro". Even back in the day they were using PowerPC processors with ATI Rage. I'm fairly sure there's no conflict between components of different brands.
[QUOTE=Nightscout;49802708] My roommate (who's more experienced than I am at this) told me that AMD graphics cards are made to work with AMD Processors, likewise with Nvidia/Intel. I know it can be done, but he said it'd end up "weird". If he's wrong I'll gladly pick this up. Thanks. Can someone else confirm this? I asked the roomie about this as well, he said that it wouldn't be a problem, but I wouldn't be doing this if I planned to base all my plans on one source of information. Thanks! :D[/QUOTE] The graphics card runs on a completely different driver from the CPU and chipset, so vendor hardly matters. You can still get a decent Nvidia card if you want, but it's mostly prudent to be looking out for sales and deals. Also, an R9 380 draws 300 watts under load [I]by itself[/I] and a GTX 970 does too, and the i5 draws around 100w on load, so the minimum you'd really want to go is 450-500W if you want a mildly quiet computer. (My roommate runs an R9 380 and an i5 on a $20 CX430 though and that's pushing it)
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;49805973]An R9 380 draws 300 watts under load [I]by itself[/I] and a GTX 970 does too, and the i5 draws around 100w on load, so the minimum you'd really want to go is 450-500W if you want a mildly quiet computer.[/QUOTE] PC Part Picker is giving me an estimated 366w. [t]http://i.imgur.com/GEIALR8.jpg[/t] I assume that's the [I]bare[/I] minimum and I don't want to do that? Any specific recommendations? I'm thinking of going with this [URL="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0092ML0OC/?tag=pcpapi-20"]600w Corsair[/URL], or is that too much?
Get the one I linked in my post.
[QUOTE=Nightscout;49802708] Picture/link of your case? Also how would I go about adjusting hard fan settings? Also, brb, gotta go find clips of Courage the Cowardly Dog.[/QUOTE] Its a very old IBM Thinkcentre Case with an Ivy Bridge i5 and a 7870. Its ugly, and I love it. :v: [img]http://www.usedcomp.de/infos/IBM_Thinkcenter_M50_DT.jpg[/img] Fun fact, it actually runs COOLER than the OEM P4 setup without a GPU.
[QUOTE=Demache;49812764]Its a very old IBM Thinkcentre Case with an Ivy Bridge i5 and a 7870. Its ugly, and I love it. :v: [img]http://www.usedcomp.de/infos/IBM_Thinkcenter_M50_DT.jpg[/img] Fun fact, it actually runs COOLER than the OEM P4 setup without a GPU.[/QUOTE] I've worked on so many of those boxes that have been turned into Untangle or PFSense machines.
Something I hadn't considered, is it possible for my bottleneck to be the motherboard?
As long as you've got a PCIe slot you should be all fine.
[QUOTE=Demache;49812764]Its a very old IBM Thinkcentre Case with an Ivy Bridge i5 and a 7870. Its ugly, and I love it. :v: [IMG]http://www.usedcomp.de/infos/IBM_Thinkcenter_M50_DT.jpg[/IMG] Fun fact, it actually runs COOLER than the OEM P4 setup without a GPU.[/QUOTE] I love those cases for a stupid reason I don't exactly know. Probably nostalgia, combined with the fact it's not humongous nor beige like they were in the days of yore.
[QUOTE=Demache;49812764]Its a very old IBM Thinkcentre Case with an Ivy Bridge i5 and a 7870. Its ugly, and I love it. :v: [img]http://www.usedcomp.de/infos/IBM_Thinkcenter_M50_DT.jpg[/img] Fun fact, it actually runs COOLER than the OEM P4 setup without a GPU.[/QUOTE] Wow, that is actually a really cute little mATX case.
[B][U]FrankenRig: Official Update #1[/U][/B] Okay everybody, the PCs went on sale today so I went in and adopted it as soon as I could. Everything looks okay inside, save for a bunch of dust buildup. [t]http://i.imgur.com/0jUHI3e.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/BsABuiW.jpg[/t] There's actually a dust bunny the size of a ping-pong ball near the front. Any top-tier advice on how to fix that dust issue, I'm all ears. My [I]other [/I]roommate told me it might be a good idea to take it outside and spray with compressed air, but if you have a better idea please bring it to my attention, so that FrankenRig may awaken in pristine condition when I finally bring it to life.. Also, the $170 GPU deal seems to have ended at 02/26 instead of 02/29.... sucks.
Doens't the 750 Ti work for stuff like prebuilds though?
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;49822808]Doens't the 750 Ti work for stuff like prebuilds though?[/QUOTE] I'm looking this thing up on GPUBoss, but it doesn't look like there's any data. I've never heard of it, how does it compare to r9 380?
iirc the 750 Ti is pretty budget, so it isn't any powerhouse Here's a review [url]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;49822848]iirc the 750 Ti is pretty budget, so it isn't any powerhouse Here's a review [url]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750.html[/url][/QUOTE] Huh, interesting. I think I'll stick with the 380 though, it's back up to $200, but it still seems like the best cost/performance for mid-high tier cards.
[QUOTE=Nightscout;49822871]Huh, interesting. I think I'll stick with the 380 though, it's back up to $200, but it still seems like the best cost/performance for mid-high tier cards.[/QUOTE] Well, if you do want higher performance for maxing out games at 1080p at 60fps the R9 390 / 970 aren't too shabby either. There's [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150729&cm_re=xfx_r9_390-_-14-150-729-_-Product]this one[/url] for approx. $300 and EVGA / MSI 970s are alright too. Granted, you haven't posted your budget and it's my personal opinion (!) that any serious-use computer nowadays should grab a 500GB SSD for around $120-30, or at least a $40-60 250GB.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;49823139]Granted, you haven't posted your budget and it's my personal opinion (!) that any serious-use computer nowadays should grab a 500GB SSD for around $120-30, or at least a $40-60 250GB.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm content with the 380, as mostly I'll just be playing CSGO on full. I'll get a better monitor someday, but right now all I have is an 1280x1024 LCD. I ordered a 250GB Crucial SSD last night, it will be here soon. I'll have to wait till I get a bit more finances but I'll buy the RAM next, then Power Supply, then the GPU. [editline]27th February 2016[/editline] I seem to have found an even better deal on 8GB RAM: [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314"]Newegg $29.99 (With $10 off code)[/URL] [editline]27th February 2016[/editline] [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125794&cm_re=gigabyte_r9_380-_-14-125-794-_-Product"]Also found $189 r9 380 at Newegg[/URL]
Ordered all the parts. They'll all be here in a few days. I'll be back with building process.
[QUOTE=Nightscout;49822839]GPUBoss[/QUOTE] Don't use that site, they're really Intel/Nvidia biased They reported a shit nvidia card as better in performance than an R9 290
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;49854250]Don't use that site, they're really Intel/Nvidia biased[/QUOTE] Noted. Is that a good sign then? Because they rated the r9 380 over the GTX 970. :v: [B][U]Update #2[/U][/B] I never expected my worst enemy would be the case door. What a nightmare. I blew all the dust out of it this afternoon and then tried to close it again, I was trying to line up the back when [B]the latch on the front snapped shut on the inside's metal fin[/B]. [t]http://i.imgur.com/GgbrVo2.jpg[/t] Roommate helped me get it open but it took a lot of prying and bending. Also cut my hand, so that was exciting. Other than that, still waiting for GPU and RAM. Ordered on February 27th and unfortunately they are still an entire state away. :cry:
All the parts are here. Guess what. The power supply cords for some reason are daisy-chained together, so it's impossible for it to power a graphics card and a motherboard at the same time. I mean look at this shit show: [t]http://i.imgur.com/6UIeS0k.jpg[/t] It's supposed to be able to get to that white plug, but of course it could never reach that. I think I'm gonna go into town tomorrow and buy an extender.
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