• Building a computer first time Need suggestions
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i was thinking about building a gaming computer for the first time. i was wondering if some one could offer me some advice on the parts i should get with a budget around $600. i play lots of minecraft, CS:S and Garry's mod. i know that for a case i was thinking of this zalman [URL="http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=423"]http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=423[/URL]. any suggestion would be appreciated. [editline]18th March 2012[/editline] also if some one could point me to a good guide of some sort Preferably a video that would be awesome thanks
I would suggest [url]http://www.pcityourself.com[/url] Since it's by far the best animated guide to building a PC on the net, but it looks like someone forgot to pay their web bill... That case doesn't look bad, but if you want to save $10 ($20 with MIR) you could go with this: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233[/url] Yeah everyone has that case, but its a good one. In any case, I just made a build for about that same budget myself Here's some stuff I used in it: DVD: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204[/url] HDD: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181[/url] MoBo: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138345[/url] GPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948[/url] CPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727[/url] RAM: 4GB for about $20, lost the link PSU. Anything at least 600w at around ~65-$70 price range from a trusted brand (coolermaster, thermaltake, antec, corsair, and a small handfull of others). You don't want to go cheap on the PSU, because a cheap PSU will fry your shit. The above PC can (confirmed) max a game like Dirt 3 at 55ish FPS running around 1400x900 resolution. No clue what else it can do since that's all thats been tried on it so far :v: Keep an eye out for combo deals on newegg since you can save a nice chunk o change through those
does this sound good for ram because no one said anything bad about it [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409[/URL][QUOTE=KorJax;35185559]I would suggest [url]http://www.pcityourself.com[/url] Since it's by far the best animated guide to building a PC on the net, but it looks like someone forgot to pay their web bill... That case doesn't look bad, but if you want to save $10 ($20 with MIR) you could go with this: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233[/url] Yeah everyone has that case, but its a good one. In any case, I just made a build for about that same budget myself Here's some stuff I used in it: DVD: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204[/url] HDD: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181[/url] MoBo: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138345[/url] GPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948[/url] CPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727[/url] RAM: 4GB for about $20, lost the link PSU. Anything at least 600w at around ~65-$70 price range from a trusted brand (coolermaster, thermaltake, antec, corsair, and a small handfull of others). You don't want to go cheap on the PSU, because a cheap PSU will fry your shit. The above PC can (confirmed) max a game like Dirt 3 at 55ish FPS running around 1400x900 resolution. No clue what else it can do since that's all thats been tried on it so far :v: Keep an eye out for combo deals on newegg since you can save a nice chunk o change through those[/QUOTE]
Change the CPU to [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103995[/url] You might be able to unlock it to 6core. [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.855547[/url] seems to be a pretty good combo.
Get an i3 2100 or 2120 over a Phenom. At least that's what I would do.
For games I'd definitely go with an i3.
[QUOTE=Allstone;35188911]For games I'd definitely go with an i3.[/QUOTE] Plus you would not be buying a dead socket.
The thing is though at that price bracket an i3 is only a duel core while the phenom 2 performs similarly well, is slightly cheaper, and a quad core. It also has the advantage of being compatable with piledriver when it comes out assuming it is good. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure ivybrdige isn't compatable with the iX line chipsets. This isn't like in 2008 anymore when almost nothing used more than one or two cores
The i3-2100 is a quad-core, effectively. Ivy Bridge is confirmed as being compatible with 6-series socket 1155 motherboards as long as there is a sufficient chip for the BIOS to accept an update. The Phenom 2 may perform at similar levels and has the benefit of overclocking, but an i3 has the option of later upgrading to an i5-2500K/i5-3570K.
[QUOTE=KorJax;35189722]The thing is though at that price bracket an i3 is only a duel core while the phenom 2 performs similarly well, is slightly cheaper, and a quad core. It also has the advantage of being compatable with piledriver when it comes out assuming it is good. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure ivybrdige isn't compatable with the iX line chipsets. This isn't like in 2008 anymore when almost nothing used more than one or two cores[/QUOTE] The i3 has a better TDP, better core architecture and isn't on a dead socket.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;35193986]The i3 has a better TDP, better core architecture [B]and isn't on a dead socket[/B].[/QUOTE] Knowing how Intel is changing sockets every ~2 years or so now, pretty sure it is on a dead socket.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;35194229]Knowing how Intel is changing sockets every ~2 years or so now, pretty sure it is on a dead socket.[/QUOTE] IB is on 1155, it's going to be good for a little while longer.
[QUOTE=MC3craze;35194306]IB is on 1155, it's going to be good for a little while longer.[/QUOTE] That's because IB is based on SB as a revision and die shrink. It's just like how Westmere is based on Nehalem, that's why they also share the same socket. Wait until Haswell comes out, it will guaranteed to be a new socket.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;35193986]The i3 has a better TDP, better core architecture and isn't on a dead socket.[/QUOTE] How is am3+ a dead socket, because last I checked it isn't. The i3 on average is going to be more expensive, taking into considering your upgrade options, motherboard costs, etc. It gets better single core performance but despite "emulating" quad core features it isn't a quad like the 965. It's not a bad chip, and i5 is the best processor for the money you can get if you can afford one, but for someone on a budget I'd personally go for a solid phenom2, because its a solid CPU that should hold its own in the future, especailly since there's tons of stuff out there that takes advanatge of quad core now. And assuming piledriver isn't terrible, you can upgrade into that in the farther future. Though an i3 isn't going to be a bad choice either. I'd personally just go for the thing that in practical terms performs the same but is quad core and has a tendency to be cheaper, especailly since am3+ isn't yet a "dead socket" like you say it is. i3's just never looked that good of a processor to me compaired to the rather solid phenom2 line. i5's are great but you're paying on average $75-$100 more, so its not really in the budget bracket anymore.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;35194588]That's because IB is based on SB as a revision and die shrink. It's just like how Westmere is based on Nehalem, that's why they also share the same socket. Wait until Haswell comes out, it will guaranteed to be a new socket.[/QUOTE] Yes it will be. But IB will be around for a year, so it's not a dead socket like you said. [editline]19th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=KorJax;35198136]How is am3+ a dead socket, because last I checked it isn't. The i3 on average is going to be more expensive, taking into considering your upgrade options, motherboard costs, etc. It gets better single core performance but despite "emulating" quad core features it isn't a quad like the 965. It's not a bad chip, and i5 is the best processor for the money you can get if you can afford one, but for someone on a budget I'd personally go for a solid phenom2, because its a solid CPU that should hold its own in the future, especailly since there's tons of stuff out there that takes advanatge of quad core now. And assuming piledriver isn't terrible, you can upgrade into that in the farther future. Though an i3 isn't going to be a bad choice either. I'd personally just go for the thing that in practical terms performs the same but is quad core and has a tendency to be cheaper, especailly since am3+ isn't yet a "dead socket" like you say it is. i3's just never looked that good of a processor to me compaired to the rather solid phenom2 line. i5's are great but you're paying on average $75-$100 more, so its not really in the budget bracket anymore.[/QUOTE] All I can say is you're really wrong. [url]http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/07/01/intel-core-i3-2100-review/[/url] If all you do is run synthetic benchmarks then by all means get a PII X4. If you actually use real programs the i3 is clearly the way to go. And if the i3 isn't powerful enough then the next logical choice is the i5.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;35198352]Yes it will be. But IB will be around for a year, so it's not a dead socket like you said.[/QUOTE] AMD has been using the same physical socket for AM2, AM2+, and AM3 for nearly 7 years, and even though AM3+ now have 2 additional pins, it is still mechanically compatible with AM3 motherboards. Support for AM3+ CPUs can be brought to certain AM3 motherboards simply with a BIOS update. Not only so, these sockets are much more backwards compatible than anything that comes after the LGA775. Intel's socket will now only last for one major architectural change. I honestly don't see how you wouldn't call that a dead socket when comparing to AMD. Don't take what I am saying as "Intel CPUs suck". I prefer Intel CPUs over modern AMD CPUs at any day. However, I still fail to see why some of you fanboys wouldn't consider intel's socketing system to not be "dead"
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;35198450]AMD has been using the same physical socket for AM2, AM2+, and AM3 for nearly 7 years, and even though AM3+ now have 2 additional pins, it is still mechanically compatible with AM3 motherboards. Support for AM3+ CPUs can be brought to certain AM3 motherboards simply with a BIOS update. Not only so, these sockets are much more backwards compatible than anything that comes after the LGA775. Intel's socket will now only last for one major architectural change. I honestly don't see how you wouldn't call that a dead socket when comparing to AMD.[/QUOTE] I think in dead socket he referred to the fact that no real Intel contenders will ever show up. All I hear is just wait for Piledriver. Just what a 10-15% improvement over BD on the same 32nm process is supposed to achieve against Ivy Bridge isn't actually very clear. [editline]19th March 2012[/editline] [quote]However, I still fail to see why some of you fanboys wouldn't consider intel's socketing system to not be "dead"[/quote] There's no such thing as an Intel fanboy when nearly every price point has Intel as the most logical option. It's simply AMD fans and everybody else.
It's incredibly simple. Socket 1155 has worthwhile parts coming out for it in future. AM3+, assuming Piledriver doesn't reduce Bulldozer's power use per performance delivered and resultant thermal production by percentages in the double digits, does not.
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