• General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=Van-man;35848490]Maybe because Debian 6 is a outdated piece of shit?[/QUOTE] If he wants to sacrifice stability for being always up-to-date with the latest shitware that Ubuntu is, then OK, it's his choice, but I don't wanna later be like "I knew it was going to happen" when he is going to realize, that his shiny, epic and awesome Dumbuntu installed on his Netbook is slowing and limiting it the bloody fuck down, when it comes to ABSOLUTELY typical tasks. And about the desktop environments... it practically does not matter, because the processes running in the background are anyway going to render normal use of the Netbook practically impossible without waiting damn long time to finish themselves off.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;35848758]If he wants to sacrifice stability for being always up-to-date with the latest shitware that Ubuntu is, then OK, it's his choice, but I don't wanna later be like "I knew it was going to happen" when he is going to realize, that his shiny, epic and awesome Dumbuntu installed on his Netbook is slowing and limiting it the bloody fuck down, when it comes to ABSOLUTELY typical tasks. And about the desktop environments... it practically does not matter, because the processes running in the background are anyway going to render normal use of the Netbook practically impossible without waiting damn long time to finish themselves off.[/QUOTE] Your hatred for Ubuntu is cute especially since you circlejerk over Debian, since Ubuntu is basically Debian except it's just better for desktop usage. [URL="http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/19/an-interview-with-millenium-technology-prize-finalist-linus-torvalds/"]Especially because Linus Torvalds himself likes the concept of Ubuntu and it's derivatives.[/URL] [QUOTE]That said, exactly because they are so important, it does frustrate me when I hit things that I perceive to be steps backwards. The SuSE rant was about asking a non-technical user about a password that the non-technical user had absolutely no reason to even know, in a situation where it made no sense. [B]That kind of senseless user hostility is something that we’ve generally come away from (and some kernel people tend to dismiss Ubuntu, but I really think that Ubuntu has generally had the right approach, and been very user-centric).[/B][/QUOTE] And Gnome has a history for being bloated, both in CPU and memory usage compared to most other DE's, and we all know that netbooks don't exactly have a lot of RAM, a beefy CPU or a large battery pack. Also a DE that requires lots of CPU cycles are bound to be a battery hog and thus make it have a short battery time and run hot, another big [I]no-no[/I] for a netbook. Not to mention Ubuntu (and derivatives) have better battery management implemented from the get-go, partially due to the newer kernel compared to Debian, and also since the DE's are slightly customized by the team behind it. Much of the hard work is done for you, and so the system runs better. While with Debian you'd spend a war updating the kernel to a more efficient version, and setting up a proper battery management system. There's a reason Ubuntu & company is in the Top 10, only beaten by Linux Mint (which is basically Ubuntu derived, but with more things to make it even easier to use out-of-the-box)
[QUOTE=nikomo;35842197]Linux, like it was meant to be (in 2006).[/QUOTE] yeah because they totally aren't building on RHEL 6 kernel or anything, oh wait they are... Last time I checked RHEL is a pretty popular distro among most all enterprises [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;35848490] It's almost as late as CentOS. [/QUOTE] HAHAAHAHAHA Please find me commonly used packages that are completely out of date compared to $debian distro or other distro
[QUOTE=Van-man;35849108]Ubuntu is basically Debian except it's just better for desktop usage.[/QUOTE] Ubuntu is to Debian as UFW is to iptables. It also needs to be mentioned, that Ubuntu takes a lot from Debian and does not give ANYTHING in return.
Due to the almighty epic amount of Enlightenment documentation, I now clearly know how to install a theme. ... Can someone tell me how to install a .edj theme file? The default themes are quite ugly. I attempted to install via putting them in the themes folder in .e16, but it won't budge.
[QUOTE=supervoltage;35850883]Can someone tell me how to install a .edj theme file? The default themes are quite ugly.[/QUOTE] If you are using PCLinuxOS, here is the solution: Go to the Main Menu. Select Settings, Theme, and then Import. Enter the directory where the file is, select it and click the OK. Click on Apply in the Theme Selector window.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;35850956]If you are using PCLinuxOS, here is the solution: Go to the Main Menu. Select Settings, Theme, and then Import. Enter the directory where the file is, select it and click the OK. Click on Apply in the Theme Selector window.[/QUOTE] The only options in the Themes section are: -Use theme font configuration -Use alternate font configuration (Not set)
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35849627]Please find me commonly used packages that are completely out of date compared to $debian distro or other distro[/QUOTE] Would be easier if you asked me what CetOS package that actually is up-to-date, because i could probably count those on my hands. CentOS focuses heavily on stability and the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality basically describes it. It's only updated if there's a crucial feature missing or for security reasons.
[QUOTE=supervoltage;35850972]The only options in the Themes section are: -Use theme font configuration -Use alternate font configuration (Not set)[/QUOTE] Okay, my brain is full of fuck again. Which distro are you using? Or at least, what kind of a desktop environment do you use?
[QUOTE=Foxconn;35851070]Okay, my brain is full of fuck again. Which distro are you using? Or at least, what kind of a desktop environment do you use?[/QUOTE] I'm not using a DE. I'm on Arch Linux, installed the Enlightenment WM.
[QUOTE=supervoltage;35851092]I'm not using a DE. I'm on Arch Linux, installed the Enlightenment WM.[/QUOTE] I think I said this already.. You're using enlightenment which is NOT E17, you're using Enlightenment 16. Install e-svn and e-modules-extra-svn from pacman, that'll give you e17.
[QUOTE=Van-man;35851000]Would be easier if you asked me what CetOS package that actually is up-to-date, because i could probably count those on my hands. CentOS focuses heavily on stability and the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality basically describes it. It's only updated if there's a crucial feature missing or for security reasons.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding me, are people this stupid? Centos focuses more on the "We won't just push an update because it is new, we will make sure it is stable usable first" Same with RHEL, this is like the other thread where you were saying nginx verison is from 2004 on centos but when you go to the site for nginx it was the most current release.
Is it possible to change to the GNOME 3 activities button to something like the Arch icon? Ive tryed following the GNOME Tips page on the Arch wiki however I realized it was for GNOME 2.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35849627]yeah because they totally aren't building on RHEL 6 kernel or anything, oh wait they are... Last time I checked RHEL is a pretty popular distro among most all enterprises[/QUOTE] Last time I checked, nobody here is in charge of IT for a large enterprise, which means we really don't care.
[QUOTE=nikomo;35855203]Last time I checked, nobody here is in charge of IT for a large enterprise, which means we really don't care.[/QUOTE] * cough*
Why are you condescending in your replies?
[QUOTE=Foxconn;35848758]If he wants to sacrifice stability for being always up-to-date with the latest shitware that Ubuntu is, then OK, it's his choice, but I don't wanna later be like "I knew it was going to happen" when he is going to realize, that his shiny, epic and awesome Dumbuntu installed on his Netbook is slowing and limiting it the bloody fuck down, when it comes to ABSOLUTELY typical tasks. And about the desktop environments... it practically does not matter, because the processes running in the background are anyway going to render normal use of the Netbook practically impossible without waiting damn long time to finish themselves off.[/QUOTE] Brb, installing ubuntu now, just for this. Thanks guys! UBUNTU FTW LOL FUCK DEBIAN!
[QUOTE=TheCreeper;35853768]Is it possible to change to the GNOME 3 activities button to something like the Arch icon? Ive tryed following the GNOME Tips page on the Arch wiki however I realized it was for GNOME 2.[/QUOTE] You'd have to change it in your theme. Honestly, I have no idea where to start there, but you could always install [url=https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/]the user theme addon[/url] then use a theme with a picture there instead of the words ([url=http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Zukini-272660042]like Zukini[/url]) and replace the picture in the folder with a similarly-sized Arch logo. [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] Actually, I just did that myself. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21918572/Screenshot%20from%202012-05-06%2022%3A21%3A37.png[/img]
OMFG how can i open compiz, says it's installed but it's not showing up anywhere on the comp. What's the terminal command to open compiz... So frustrated.
[QUOTE=Relaxation;35858221]OMFG how can i open compiz, says it's installed but it's not showing up anywhere on the comp. What's the terminal command to open compiz... So frustrated.[/QUOTE] compiz --replace
Didn't work.
[QUOTE=Relaxation;35858710]Didn't work.[/QUOTE] Uh Is there any error?
Let me retry, should have posted it.
So I updated my Arch install after a few months, 700mb. After a restart Slim isn't working, and on top of that due to a bug in my laptop after the nVidia drivers have been loaded I can't drop into any terminal sessions...
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;35852293]I think I said this already.. You're using enlightenment which is NOT E17, you're using Enlightenment 16. Install e-svn and e-modules-extra-svn from pacman, that'll give you e17.[/QUOTE] I successfully installed those two packages, restarted Enlightenment, but lo and behold, it still isn't E17. Pardon me, I used exec e16 instead of exec enlightenment_start in .xinitrc. Thank you anyway!
[QUOTE=supervoltage;35861751]I successfully installed those two packages, restarted Enlightenment, but lo and behold, it still isn't E17. Pardon me, I used exec e16 instead of exec enlightenment_start in .xinitrc. Thank you anyway![/QUOTE] Also, if you want a less dreadful e17 theme go take a look at the SVN repo..the THEMES directory has a couple nice ones, especially detourious (I hope you know how to use SVN) [url]http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk[/url]
[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;35859823]So I updated my Arch install after a few months, 700mb. After a restart Slim isn't working, and on top of that due to a bug in my laptop after the nVidia drivers have been loaded I can't drop into any terminal sessions...[/QUOTE] Did you read all of the news on archlinux.org to see if there were any updates that require manual steps since the last time you did a full upgrade?
[QUOTE=nikomo;35855203]Last time I checked, nobody here is in charge of IT for a large enterprise, which means we really don't care.[/QUOTE] I run CentOS on my personal VPS because I don't want to dick around with updates that break things on something like Arch. I don't want to update Apache one day then find out my website isn't working any more. (as an example)
After a Wizard of Oz moment a few days ago and waking my computer up to see it somehow have crashed in windows and rebooted into Linux, I'm starting understand how to use it for everyday things.
Can someone tell mé what LTS stands for? Because i want to upgrade my Ubuntu. But will it break anything if i go to 12.04 LTS?
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