• Retrocomputing Megathread
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Page 4 plox [editline]18th January 2011[/editline] woot shitty page king I demand boxes so I may make a crown
[QUOTE=moesislack;27501348]Jesus some of us need to post a complete list of sick old computer gear. I have 1 (one) copy of windows 3.1...[/QUOTE] I've got two copies of 3.0, and some other random drivers and such I found at what seemed to be an old computer repair place. also found the sixth disk of 3.1, but none of the others.
Huzzah fixed the Amiga 500! Just needed a cleaning :v:. Considering setting up a live stream for some of the games such as Indiana Jones so we can get people playing the real thing (sort of) :v:
[QUOTE=DuCT;27501425]So it's just Vancouver that has insane prices?[/QUOTE] Yes. [url]http://www.vancouversun.com/business/4097300/story.html[/url]
[QUOTE=DuCT;27501425]So it's just Vancouver that has insane prices?[/QUOTE] I beleive it has the most expensive real estate for every class (if you consider a lower class house starting at $300000 for something the size of a Wal-mart garden shed). I'm sure Toronto is up there, as would be Calgary. My current place is the smallest house on the whole block. Just to be able to afford rent to live in HALF the house costs us (two roommates) each $533 a month. If I was living alone, that's $1600 a month I'm paying for a shithole. Halifax has it fucking made. You get a house the size of a North Van mansion for $250000. Edit: shit. I got ninja'd by almost a full hour.
Ah, that really does suck. Are you in college now, or at a job that tethers you to Vancouver? Cause if not, I'd try to get as far away as possible and find some reasonable prices.
[QUOTE=MIPS;27384430]Everything after that, I'm still illiterate about. Sandy Bridge? Tualatin? Can I buy a vowel? Fuck, I don't even know how to use an iPhone! :v:[/QUOTE] Not much to know about Tualatin. It was the last Pentium 3 core revision after the Coppermine, more of a die shrink than anything. It was really only made for the server market and ran at speeds between 1000 MHz and 1400 MHz. It had between 256kb and 512kb of cache and ran at bus speeds of 100 or 133 MHz (100 MHz for the Celeron Tualatins.) Random fact: The 1400 MHz PIII-S Tualatin core wasn't matched in performance until the Pentium 4 reached 1700 MHz. A dual PIII-S Tualatin workstation at 1400 MHz and DDR RAM could keep pace with a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz in threaded applications. I have such a machine (it cost me a pretty penny back in 2002 when I bought it. I think the board was $400 and both CPUs were $350 each) It still runs like a champ all these years later. [QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;27427891]I love the sound of that hard drive for some reason.[/QUOTE] Many hard drives in that vintage didn't use arms with voice coils, they used a paper thin metal ribbon that a stepper motor rolled up and reeled out to move the head back and forth, kind of like some 5.25" drives did. That's why it made that unique sound, rather than the ticking/rattling of modern drives. You can guess why they stopped making hard drives like that though. The rolling up and reeling out that thin metal ribbon eventually fatigued the metal to the point of breaking and rendered the drive useless. Since the ribbon was a precise length, replacing it was pretty much impossible. [QUOTE=MIPS;27430663]It's a fact that there are only SEVEN known programs that were ever released for the Lisa: -LisaWrite -LisaCalc -LisaGraph -LisaList -LisaProject -LisaDraw -LisaTerminal Also, it uses oval pixels which on their own are really weird.[/QUOTE] I think the shadow mask uses oval perforations, but the phosphor pattern on the screen is rectangular. In any case, it's awful. [QUOTE=MacTrekkie;27445267]Awesome idea for a LAN case. Small LCD and a mini-ITX board in a Lisa case.[/QUOTE] Real men use the existing CRT, or replace it with a similar sized color CRT to keep the vintage look.
[QUOTE=bohb;27516655]Real men use the existing CRT, or replace it with a similar sized color CRT to keep the vintage look.[/QUOTE] Playing a game on 0val pix31s :frogc00l:
Major minecraft incompatibility.
p.s. i played Blood on my old pc i mentioned, also, windows ME fuck yeah
[QUOTE=bohb;27516655]Not much to know about Tualatin. It was the last Pentium 3 core revision after the Coppermine, more of a die shrink than anything. It was really only made for the server market and ran at speeds between 1000 MHz and 1400 MHz. It had between 256kb and 512kb of cache and ran at bus speeds of 100 or 133 MHz (100 MHz for the Celeron Tualatins.) Random fact: The 1400 MHz PIII-S Tualatin core wasn't matched in performance until the Pentium 4 reached 1700 MHz. A dual PIII-S Tualatin workstation at 1400 MHz and DDR RAM could keep pace with a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz in threaded applications. I have such a machine (it cost me a pretty penny back in 2002 when I bought it. I think the board was $400 and both CPUs were $350 each) It still runs like a champ all these years later.[/QUOTE] I had a 1.4 Ghz Tualatin Celeron CPU PC up until a year ago. I put 512 MB of RAM and a 8400GS in it, and it actually was REALLY decent. Youtube videos were a bit of a hurdle, but Garry's Mod ran great and had no problems with Photoshop CS4.
[QUOTE=Demache;27535676]I had a 1.4 Ghz Tualatin Celeron CPU PC up until a year ago. I put 512 MB of RAM and a 8400GS in it, and it actually was REALLY decent. Youtube videos were a bit of a hurdle, but Garry's Mod ran great and had no problems with Photoshop CS4.[/QUOTE] The Pentium 3 was a really good chip. I remember asking myself back when the Pentium 4 was released "Why didn't they just continue the P3 architecture, Netburst is terrible." It took Intel 6 years and billions of dollars to realize that. Even then, it almost completely slipped by them because the ONLY Intel team that was working on something derived from the P3 architecture was supposedly a small development team in Israel. I think the ultimate P3 machine was with the i840 chipset with dual Tualatin CPUs, RAMBUS and AGP 4x. It was the pinnacle of Pentium 3 power. Unfortunately, a setup like that was very rare, and is almost impossible to find today.
No. RAMBUS by all accounts was AWFUL. It still is awful. It will always remain AWFUL. Even the company itself is ass. The only reason they still exist is because they constantly sue everyone and demand royalties for technologies they never really actually made.
[QUOTE=MIPS;27536682]No. RAMBUS by all accounts was AWFUL. It still is awful. It will always remain AWFUL. Even the company itself is ass. The only reason they still exist is because they constantly sue everyone and demand royalties for technologies they never really actually made.[/QUOTE] RAMBUS is awful in most situations because it was around 4x the cost of DDR at the time, but in that specific situation it was the best solution. PC-133 has a maximum bandwidth of 1064 MB/s, but in reality most PC-133 got 1/4 or 1/2 that speed at best. RAMBUS has a maximum bandwidth of 6400 MB/s, and since the only P3 chipsets that supported DDR were non-intel made and flaky at best, RAMBUS was the way to go for maximum memory performance. It has small niche applications, but most of the time it is terrible.
[QUOTE=bohb;27536967]RAMBUS is awful in most situations because it was around 4x the cost of DDR at the time, but in that specific situation it was the best solution. PC-133 has a maximum bandwidth of 1064 MB/s, but in reality most PC-133 got 1/4 or 1/2 that speed at best. RAMBUS has a maximum bandwidth of 6400 MB/s, and since the only P3 chipsets that supported DDR were non-intel made and flaky at best, RAMBUS was the way to go for maximum memory performance. It has small niche applications, but most of the time it is terrible.[/QUOTE] Flaky chipset design and DDR ram OR decent chipset + flaky AND expensive RAMBUS ram. Yeah, I think i can live with a flaky chipset.
[QUOTE=Van-man;27539403]Flaky chipset design and DDR ram OR decent chipset + flaky AND expensive RAMBUS ram. Yeah, I think i can live with a flaky chipset.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with the RAMBUS memory standard, many people still use it, or variants of it today. The problem is with the company, and how they're all idiots with their IP.
[QUOTE=bohb;27539723]There's nothing wrong with the RAMBUS memory standard, many people still use it, or variants of it today. The problem is with the company, and how they're all idiots with their IP.[/QUOTE] And that includes ridiculously high pricetag. ALSO: [url]https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/RDRAM#Continuity_modules[/url] What the hell did they think when designing it? Weren't they smart enough to make a chipset that auto detects what slot is populated and what slot that isn't??
[QUOTE=Van-man;27539777]And that includes ridiculously high pricetag.[/QUOTE] That's why I said they were idiots with their IP. [QUOTE=Van-man;27539777]ALSO: [url]https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/RDRAM#Continuity_modules[/url] What the hell did they think when designing it? Weren't they smart enough to make a chipset that auto detects what slot is populated and what slot that isn't??[/QUOTE] The SCSI bus requires termination, which used to be solely done with a discrete terminator dongle, but modern SCSI controllers can do self-termination, or use the dongle method. Token Ring networks required termination (or having the ring loop completed.) Requiring CRIMMs is really no different, and it's not that big of a deal to get them since they were sold basically at production cost. (like $5 max iirc)
[QUOTE=bohb;27539923]That's why I said they were idiots with their IP. The SCSI bus requires termination, which used to be solely done with a discrete terminator dongle, but modern SCSI controllers can do self-termination, or use the dongle method. Token Ring networks required termination (or having the ring loop completed.) Requiring CRIMMs is really no different, and it's not that big of a deal to get them since they were sold basically at production cost. (like $5 max iirc)[/QUOTE] Still, it's good in concept, but it's horrible in reality.
Gah... I wish i had an Amiga and C64... but i can't and probably never will have one. And after i get one of them, how i will get any soft for it? Yeah, i use emulators but that's like licking a lollipop thru a wrapper. Yeah, i am only 14 years old (gonna be 15 this year) but they attract me for some strange reason...
Maaan. I wish I had cool old stuff like this. The only relatively cool thing I have is a Pentium Pro :saddowns: and a parallel switcher thingamabob.
[QUOTE=TomoAlien;27547419]Gah... I wish i had an Amiga and C64... but i can't and probably never will have one. And after i get one of them, how i will get any soft for it? Yeah, i use emulators but that's like licking a lollipop thru a wrapper. Yeah, i am only 14 years old (gonna be 15 this year) but they attract me for some strange reason...[/QUOTE] When I had my PowerBook 150, I created a null modem cable (A serial cable for connecting two PCs together) to transfer things back and forth from my P4 machine. I used StarGate to do the transferring: [url]http://sites.google.com/site/68kmacwin/stargatefiletransferarchive[/url] Not sure if you can do the same on a C64, though I remember someone sending stuff to an Apple 2 with only a few commands typed into it.
[QUOTE=TomoAlien;27547419]Gah... I wish i had an Amiga and C64... but i can't and probably never will have one. And after i get one of them, how i will get any soft for it? Yeah, i use emulators but that's like licking a lollipop thru a wrapper. Yeah, i am only 14 years old (gonna be 15 this year) but they attract me for some strange reason...[/QUOTE] The Amiga can have files transferred to it using a serial cable and something called Amiga Explorer. The Commodore 64 1581 drive can read PC-formatted floppy disks. I use both of those things to transfer files, and they work great.
I don't know if some of these count by your guys standards, but I've got a PowerBook G3 with Mac OS 9 & 10.2, an old laptop that had DOS on it, battery on it's dead though :smith:, and a Dell desktop from 1999 with Windows 98.
[QUOTE=bohb;27516655]Real men use the existing CRT, or replace it with a similar sized color CRT to keep the vintage look.[/QUOTE] You wanna know what real men do? Real men use the Lisa itself in a LAN Party. Playin LisaCalc with my homeboys :frogc00l:
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;27554815]You wanna know what real men do? Real men use the Lisa itself in a LAN Party. Playin LisaCalc with my homeboys :frogc00l:[/QUOTE] What homeboys?? :raise:
[QUOTE=Van-man;27554920]What homeboys?? :raise:[/QUOTE] :smith:
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;27529755]Playing a game on 0val pix31s :frogc00l:[/QUOTE] Which is why I said replace it. They make color CRTs of the same size that you could easily get 640x480 and maybe 720x480 out of.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Apple-Lisa-2-A6S0200-Computer-Loaded-Works-/180612071766?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0d518156[/url] Good deal Y/N? It's loaded.
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;27554815]You wanna know what real men do? Real men use the Lisa itself in a LAN Party. Playin LisaCalc with my homeboys :frogc00l:[/QUOTE] Run it with MacWorks and then you got yourself a Lisa that is compatible with Macintosh software. Break out the AppleTalk cables because tonight we are playing multiplayer SpaceTrek and MazeWars. :pcgaming: :siren:[b]INCOMING ALERT[/b]:siren: I have been notified that some more gear might be flowing into our shop today af a particular age stating no later than the early 80's. This 'gun be good.
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