• Are All of These Parts Compatible?
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[QUOTE=Chubbs;34972628]Right, get a 2500K rather than a 2700K. Get 8GB of RAM rather than 16GB. Also replace that PSU with a TX750M V2 or the like, as that TT thing is hugely overpriced.[/QUOTE] I like how you call his chosen PSU overpriced and then proceed to recommend a Corsair PSU which are all generally overpriced compared to ones from Antec, Seasonic, XFX etc. What are you doing?
Look, OP. I've built many computers for people who wanted to "go crazy", all the way up to $2600 builts, and all of the computers grew old and slow and eventually the owners regret using so much money when they could've upgraded later on. Now, I recommend you make a big fat RAID full of fast drives (Google) such as the Spinpoint F3's, just 1TB drives, get like 4 of them. RAID5 them giving you 3TB of fast storage, oh and an i5-2500k and all the usual medi-core stuff, and then enjoy an average fps of 50 on the highest settings available instead of playing jesus by being a special snowflake, and spent the saved money on some nice android tablet. I recommend the new NOVO7 Elf with Android 4.0 or whatever the newest version is.
[QUOTE=Tools;34974950]Look, OP. I've built many computers for people who wanted to "go crazy", all the way up to $2600 builts, and all of the computers grew old and slow and eventually the owners regret using so much money when they could've upgraded later on. Now, I recommend you make a big fat RAID full of fast drives (Google) such as the Spinpoint F3's, just 1TB drives, get like 4 of them. RAID5 them giving you 3TB of fast storage, oh and an i5-2500k and all the usual medi-core stuff, and then enjoy an average fps of 50 on the highest settings available instead of playing jesus by being a special snowflake, and spent the saved money on some nice android tablet. I recommend the new NOVO7 Elf with Android 4.0 or whatever the newest version is.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what the deal is with Smartphones. PHONES are supposed to CALL people. Thats why they call them PHONES. Your not supposed to play video games on them watch youtube videos on them, all that stuff. If anything I'll go buy a PSVita before I get banned (?) by going off topic, if I get a PC with an i5 instead of an i9, no matter what you say, the i5 will become obsolete faster. My whole point of getting a computer this insane is so I dont have to fucking update every six months, I want something that will last me a couple of years, more if I'm lucky. And I'm pretty sure the main reason for things getting slow is the Hard Drive getting fucked up by tons of porno files or some shit, and I don't really do anything but play Minecraft and play Steam games.
It's clear you don't know what you're talking about. Let me break it up for you and tell you what everyone told you again: [QUOTE=endorphinsam;34976990]before I get banned (?) by going off topic, if I get a PC with an i5 instead of an i9, no matter what you say, the i5 will become obsolete faster. My whole point of getting a computer this insane is so I dont have to fucking update every six months, I want something that will last me a couple of years, more if I'm lucky.[/quote] An i5 is no different from an i7 in terms of raw gaming performance. All you're paying for is 4 extra threads and hyper-threading technology. From what I'll assume I don't think there's anything you do that would even need those extras. You're better off sticking with the i5 and spending the extra money elsewhere. You'll save much more money maintaining and upgrading your computer in the future while gaining new features as opposed to spending an unnecessary massive fortune at the start. Making the most expensive computer build doesn't equate to it lasting any longer than a build of more than a fraction of the price. All current technology will eventually be outdated by the newer technology. As it is a well thought out build of today's technology that doesn't cost a fortune will last you more than a few years depending on your needs. [QUOTE=endorphinsam;34976990]And I'm pretty sure the main reason for things getting slow is the Hard Drive getting fucked up by tons of porno files or some shit, and I don't really do anything but play Minecraft and play Steam games.[/QUOTE] There lots of ways different ways a computer can "slow down". If you're talking about slow system responsiveness and long boot up times times then an SSD will practically eliminate that issue completely. An HDD on the other hand will be much slower in comparison and the amount of fragmentation can affect performance. Do you actually [i]need[/i] everything you're putting into this build? You can spend as much money as you want, but in the end you will regret this decision quickly. This is our warning.
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;34977716]It's clear you don't know what you're talking about. Let me break it up for you and tell you what everyone told you again: An i5 is no different from an i7 in terms of raw gaming performance. All you're paying for is 4 extra threads and hyper-threading technology. From what I'll assume I don't think there's anything you do that would even need those extras. You're better off sticking with the i5 and spending the extra money elsewhere. You'll save much more money maintaining and upgrading your computer in the future while gaining new features as opposed to spending an unnecessary massive fortune at the start. Making the most expensive computer build doesn't equate to it lasting any longer than a build of more than a fraction of the price. All current technology will eventually be outdated by the newer technology. As it is a well thought out build of today's technology that doesn't cost a fortune will last you more than a few years depending on your needs. There lots of ways different ways a computer can "slow down". If you're talking about slow system responsiveness and long boot up times times then an SSD will practically eliminate that issue completely. An HDD on the other hand will be much slower in comparison and the amount of fragmentation can affect performance. Do you actually [i]need[/i] everything you're putting into this build? You can spend as much money as you want, but in the end you will regret this decision quickly. This is our warning.[/QUOTE] I don't think your kind of understanding me, an i5 is different from an i7 being that the i7 apparently has more threads. So your mistaken there, and try reading what I said before, I'm future proofing. What if a game I really want to play comes out and it uses all threads, and I don't have an i7? I can't play it. As in, i5 will become obsolete before i7 will. THATS WHY I'M GETTING i7! No matter what you say, I'm still going to get it, because it makes sense to me, because I want a PC that wont die off until (if my friend is right) 5-6 years. [editline]3rd March 2012[/editline] Also, why in the fuck would Intel make an i7 if it wasn't needed yet? And why would they make a new one thats about to come out, it's called IVY BRIDGE. So, its sort of like "get the latest in technology because it's the best" No matter how small the differences are, i7 is still better than i5, and no matter how small the differences are, i5 will become obsolete before i7 will.
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;34980490]I don't think your kind of understanding me, an i5 is different from an i9 being that the i9 apparently has more threads. So your mistaken there, and try reading what I said before, I'm future proofing. What if a game I really want to play comes out and it uses all threads, and I don't have an i9? I can't play it. As in, i5 will become obsolete before i9 will. THATS WHY I'M GETTING i9! No matter what you say, I'm still going to get it, because it makes sense to me, because I want a PC that wont die off until (if my friend is right) 5-6 years. [editline]3rd March 2012[/editline] Also, why in the fuck would Intel make an i9 if it wasn't needed yet? And why would they make a new one thats about to come out, it's called IVY BRIDGE. So, its sort of like "get the latest in technology because it's the best" No matter how small the differences are, i9 is still better than i5, and no matter how small the differences are, i5 will become obsolete before i9 will.[/QUOTE] Dude, a 2500k will not become outdated fast enough for it to matter. Its an i7 not an i9 and next gen tech mid level tech beats the highest level last gen tech, welcome to the tech world. Unless you are video rendering an 2500k will last about 5 years.
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;34980490] because I want a PC that wont die off until (if my friend is right) 5-6 years. [/QUOTE] your friend is an idiot
You want to spend all this money to future proof it, but it would be way more efficient to spend half the money or less and save the rest to updating down the line. You'll get a longer life if you just replace parts as you need them. Right now you're getting something that you won't need half of. Spending 4k initially is going to last longer than spending 2k initially, but over the long run, spreading it out is going to last longer. Even 2 grand is overkill. You won't need to upgrade every 6 months.
Guys, I simply think that the OP doesn't understand what hyper-threading is. Hyper-treading isn't just "Yay, four extra without really increasing the die area!" - that's not what happens. HT can help with a few different, incredibly CPU heavy tasks, but generally you won't see more than a 10% performance gain in programs that actually utilize it. There's not many of those out there - and practically no games take advantage of it. You might say "Well, its pretty new technology, and if developers adopts it everything will run much faster!", but that's not true. HT has been around since the P4, and games developers have yet to do something about it. In 2-3 years, you'll see CPUs performing maybe 2 times as fast as the one you're buying, and probably and the same cost. The GPU will be outdated this year, and in two years, it'll really be nothing but a card that was pretty nice at the time. Just look at the 5870, 4890 or whatever.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;34985281]You want to spend all this money to future proof it, but it would be way more efficient to spend half the money or less and save the rest to updating down the line. You'll get a longer life if you just replace parts as you need them. Right now you're getting something that you won't need half of. Spending 4k initially is going to last longer than spending 2k initially, but over the long run, spreading it out is going to last longer. Even 2 grand is overkill. You won't need to upgrade every 6 months.[/QUOTE] I see what your trying to say, but that's what I don't want to have happen. Anyways, I checked the price on the i5 and the price is only 100 bucks less, on newegg. So I don't see a real reason, it won't save me all that much money, so I'll be going with i7, no matter what you dudes say. also sorry for confusing i7 with i9 :P I'm not computer literate. I'm gonna get the i7, mainly because its just like 110 bucks more, which I think isn't that much. Is there anything else I shouldn't get and get something cheaper?
I give up. If that's what you want then no ones stopping you. Also a $300 mediocre PSU? holy crap
If you're going with something like that thermaltake ([url=http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/TPG-1200M/5.html]which I would NOT recommend[/url]), you might as well get this for much, much less: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-17-341-044-_-03042012_3[/url] It has better voltage regulation ([url=http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/OCZ/ZX_1250W/5.html]Look here[/url]), and it's only a 100$. At this kind of budget, I'd recommend buying something high-end like an Enermax, PC Power and Cooling, Silverstone or a Seasonic. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] And 100$ more for a small-as-fuck performance gain is [I]not[/I] worth it. If you're going to buy an i7 anyway, but the 2600K. Precisely the same CPU, but you're not paying 15$ extra for something you can overclock in .2 seconds. You might have Money for it, but it would be dumb wasting them like that. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Alternatively (if you want to spend a bit of cash), you could get something like this PSU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194081[/url] It may seem like it's less Manly than the thermaltake, but I promise you that you'll [I]never[/I] reach 900W with a single GPU system. Maybe if you had 2-3 7970's and a CPU overclocked to hell. Even then, I doubt it. Noise/ripple and voltage levels are much better on this unit, and it's not as noisy. It's not a quiet PSU, but it has supurb performance. Noise/ripple is at <20mV, where the Thermaltake hit ~85mV. The Thermaltake is very close to be out of spec.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;35002923]If you're going with something like that thermaltake ([url=http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/TPG-1200M/5.html]which I would NOT recommend[/url]), you might as well get this for much, much less: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-17-341-044-_-03042012_3[/url] It has better voltage regulation ([url=http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/OCZ/ZX_1250W/5.html]Look here[/url]), and it's only a 100$. At this kind of budget, I'd recommend buying something high-end like an Enermax, PC Power and Cooling, Silverstone or a Seasonic. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] And 100$ more for a small-as-fuck performance gain is [I]not[/I] worth it. If you're going to buy an i7 anyway, but the 2600K. Precisely the same CPU, but you're not paying 15$ extra for something you can overclock in .2 seconds. You might have Money for it, but it would be dumb wasting them like that. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Alternatively (if you want to spend a bit of cash), you could get something like this PSU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194081[/url] It may seem like it's less Manly than the thermaltake, but I promise you that you'll [I]never[/I] reach 900W with a single GPU system. Maybe if you had 2-3 7970's and a CPU overclocked to hell. Even then, I doubt it. Noise/ripple and voltage levels are much better on this unit, and it's not as noisy. It's not a quiet PSU, but it has supurb performance. Noise/ripple is at <20mV, where the Thermaltake hit ~85mV. The Thermaltake is very close to be out of spec.[/QUOTE] Hm. I didn't know that the PSU or whatever you call it was really bad, my friend picked out the part. If your saying this one is bad, which one is way better?
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;35008318]Hm. I didn't know that the PSU or whatever you call it was really bad, my friend picked out the part. If your saying this one is bad, which one is way better?[/QUOTE] I posted two. The last one is by far better. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Seemed like they cut off the deal on one of the PSUs. Anyhow, that Enermax will do you good. Seasonic is a nice brand as well, and something like this wouldn't be bad for your health: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110[/url]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;35008844]I posted two. The last one is by far better. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Seemed like they cut off the deal on one of the PSUs. Anyhow, that Enermax will do you good. Seasonic is a nice brand as well, and something like this wouldn't be bad for your health: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151110[/url][/QUOTE] Alright thanks, so other than the PSU you see no conflicts between system parts, it will run the way I want it too? I hope so. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Also I'm planning on (at a later date) Buying one more 7970 to crossfire with the current one, then buy a samsung 3 monitor display for eyefinity. but I have no plan on overclocking or doing anything to alter my specs other than that. This PSU can cover all of that? Sorry if it sounds if I'm talking out of my ass. well, mainly because I am, I have no idea what PSU even means, so I'm being guided by you guys. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] what double post dafuq
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;35009581]Alright thanks, so other than the PSU you see no conflicts between system parts, it will run the way I want it too? I hope so. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Also I'm planning on (at a later date) Buying one more 7970 to crossfire with the current one, then buy a samsung 3 monitor display for eyefinity. but I have no plan on overclocking or doing anything to alter my specs other than that. This PSU can cover all of that? Sorry if it sounds if I'm talking out of my ass. well, mainly because I am, I have no idea what PSU even means, so I'm being guided by you guys. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] what double post dafuq[/QUOTE] The PSU is the power supply. This'll run CF 7970 just fine. I'm talking about the the Enermax and the Seasonic, if there could be any doubt. Just pick one. If you're not overclocking, the Noctua cooler is completely unnecessary. Get a Hyper 212+. If you're not overclocking, this system will in no way cover your ass the next 4 years. And once again, get the i5 2500K. I know your friend or whatever told you, that you should get the 2700K (even that should ring a bell - any half-way serious builder would recommend the 2600K instead), but this the same person that recommended that PSU. The PSU isn't the worst in the world, but it's a Thermaltake, it's noisy, and way too expensive for what it is.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;35010889]The PSU is the power supply. This'll run CF 7970 just fine. I'm talking about the the Enermax and the Seasonic, if there could be any doubt. Just pick one. If you're not overclocking, the Noctua cooler is completely unnecessary. Get a Hyper 212+. If you're not overclocking, this system will in no way cover your ass the next 4 years. And once again, get the i5 2500K. I know your friend or whatever told you, that you should get the 2700K (even that should ring a bell - any half-way serious builder would recommend the 2600K instead), but this the same person that recommended that PSU. The PSU isn't the worst in the world, but it's a Thermaltake, it's noisy, and way too expensive for what it is.[/QUOTE] Okay, even though I've said this before, you might convince me towards getting in i5 or just i7 2600k, but these are the two reasons why i'm (right now) going with the i7 because its only $100 more and because my friend has it and my friend will laugh in my face if I told him I got a "lower end" processor than he does even though apparently from what you guys say its not needed yet take the i7 as a really hot prostitute: Why would you want to have sex with a prostitute that looks like this for five dollars: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/FEoXv.jpg[/IMG] when you can do a prostitute that looks like this for only 100 bucks more: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bB8QV.jpg[/IMG] Basically what I'm saying is, I want the i7 because people say it's more advanced, no matter how little the difference is, it still is better, if there was a choice between an ugly woman and another ugly woman that looks slightly better, you'd go with the slightly prettier woman instead of the ugly one. So my friend doesn't laugh in my face. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] plz dun ban mez it isnd da imaj macro plz plz plz
[quote]and because my friend has it and my friend will laugh in my face if I told him I got a "lower end" processor than he does even though apparently from what you guys say its not needed yet[/quote] Your friend is an idiot and you shouldn't care what he thinks about your PC, because he's clearly not very good with computer hardware.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;35014088]Your friend is an idiot and you shouldn't care what he thinks about your PC, because he's clearly not very good with computer hardware.[/QUOTE] okay fine i'll go with the five dollar hooker jezus [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] is this PSU better? [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207019[/url] [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] And now that I got everyone stopped bitching because I'm now getting an i5, whats the best CPU Cooler for 89 bucks or less?
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018&Tpk=noctua%20dh-14]noctua nh-d14[/url]
[QUOTE=Snausages;35014943][url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018&Tpk=noctua%20dh-14]noctua nh-d14[/url][/QUOTE] So thats the best? I already have that picked out. Okay, I'll get that one. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] Alright. I updated the OP to my final specs. It's not as "holy-shit-its-to-expensive-your-an-asshole-just-because-you-are-paying-to-much-for-it-fuck". These are my final specs. Is there anything you dudes want me to change?
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;35012971]and because my friend has it and my friend will laugh in my face if I told him I got a "lower end" processor than he does even though apparently from what you guys say its not needed yet [/QUOTE] Hey bro, I understand. I too suffer the plights of having a small penis. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=endorphinsam;35014364]okay fine i'll go with the five dollar hooker jezus [/QUOTE] Aww fine I take that back.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;35015450]Hey bro, I understand. I too suffer the plights of having a small penis. [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Aww fine I take that back.[/QUOTE] what does this have to do with penis size. I have a very hefty two inch penis. I can pleasure any woman for about 3 seconds. HAHA PWND LOL U GOT BURNT
If you spend less money now and use the money to upgrade sooner you will end up having more power for longer in the long run. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] Though if it really doesn't make a difference to you then go for it, sure.
What the fuck is up with the trolling, guys? Hes been convinced been that his friend wasn't right, so why are you acting up like that. Jesus.
Will this rig run Metro 2033 on max and more than 60 FPS? *hoping for a yes* Oh, and before you just automatically say yes if you haven't seen the OP (just double checking everyone has seen the update to the OP) I suggest you do so because I updated it very drastically.
And that PSU is pretty good. Go with that if you want to. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] This PSU is a bit cheaper, and is actually the precise same model: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151105[/url] Just a tad better. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] And yes, you'll play Metro 2033 with ease. On this kind of budget, instead of going rampage on SSDs (those are gonna fall in price through the next few years), you should get HDD in RAID, and get maybe a 256GB SSD, or, if you really fancy, 512GB. I don't know what you play, but you're a bit sloppy with space if you can fill 256GB up with games. If you can fill up 512GB I'm simply adoring your game collection. The reason for this "cheap-ass" solution, is that I have never, [I]ever[/I] heard of anyone that needed to open a .doc document faster than a good HDD already can. With A few HDDs in RAID, you'll still get some very respectable R/W (~230-250MB/s?), more space, and some spare change for future computer use. The down side is that your essays won't open as fast, but unless you're robocop or Son-Guku I don't imagine you'll ever notice. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] And you don't need a Noctua if you're not overclocking, though I [I]very much[/I] recommend overclocking, it'd almost be a sin not to.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;35017806]And that PSU is pretty good. Go with that if you want to. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] This PSU is a bit cheaper, and is actually the precise same model: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151105[/url] Just a tad better. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] And yes, you'll play Metro 2033 with ease. On this kind of budget, instead of going rampage on SSDs (those are gonna fall in price through the next few years), you should get HDD in RAID, and get maybe a 256GB SSD, or, if you really fancy, 512GB. I don't know what you play, but you're a bit sloppy with space if you can fill 256GB up with games. If you can fill up 512GB I'm simply adoring your game collection. The reason for this "cheap-ass" solution, is that I have never, [I]ever[/I] heard of anyone that needed to open a .doc document faster than a good HDD already can. With A few HDDs in RAID, you'll still get some very respectable R/W (~230-250MB/s?), more space, and some spare change for future computer use. The down side is that your essays won't open as fast, but unless you're robocop or Son-Guku I don't imagine you'll ever notice. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] And you don't need a Noctua if you're not overclocking, though I [I]very much[/I] recommend overclocking, it'd almost be a sin not to.[/QUOTE] Yeah, thats actually my plan. I'm going to buy a pretty bad HDD, then after a few months replace it with one 512GB SSD and then after a few months buy another card. Also, on newegg I just found out about that "Bill me later-you have 12 months to pay us, as long as you pay at the end of 12 months you are not in debt" doo-hicky which really helps me out, so price is DEFINITELY not the problem. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] oh and the problem with overclocking is that I don't want to go to extreme, I mean I have no idea what to base how to overclock and all that stuff... I find it really confusing, I might overclock or pay someone to do it for me when I get all the parts. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] also I was watching a video about SSD and came upon something called TRIM, apparently it makes your SSD faster, do any SSDs come with it enabled or something? How do I get it? It's so CONFUSING
[QUOTE=garrynohome;34973485]I like how you call his chosen PSU overpriced and then proceed to recommend a Corsair PSU which are all generally overpriced compared to ones from Antec, Seasonic, XFX etc. What are you doing?[/QUOTE] Being an idiot. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=endorphinsam;35023862]Yeah, thats actually my plan. I'm going to buy a pretty bad HDD, then after a few months replace it with one 512GB SSD and then after a few months buy another card. Also, on newegg I just found out about that "Bill me later-you have 12 months to pay us, as long as you pay at the end of 12 months you are not in debt" doo-hicky which really helps me out, so price is DEFINITELY not the problem. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] oh and the problem with overclocking is that I don't want to go to extreme, I mean I have no idea what to base how to overclock and all that stuff... I find it really confusing, I might overclock or pay someone to do it for me when I get all the parts. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] also I was watching a video about SSD and came upon something called TRIM, apparently it makes your SSD faster, do any SSDs come with it enabled or something? How do I get it? It's so CONFUSING[/QUOTE] Paying someone to OC an SB K chip is stupid. At that point you should just pay someone to build the thing for you too, as that is definitely harder than the OCing.
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;35023862]Yeah, thats actually my plan. I'm going to buy a pretty bad HDD, then after a few months replace it with one 512GB SSD and then after a few months buy another card. Also, on newegg I just found out about that "Bill me later-you have 12 months to pay us, as long as you pay at the end of 12 months you are not in debt" doo-hicky which really helps me out, so price is DEFINITELY not the problem. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] oh and the problem with overclocking is that I don't want to go to extreme, I mean I have no idea what to base how to overclock and all that stuff... I find it really confusing, I might overclock or pay someone to do it for me when I get all the parts. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] also I was watching a video about SSD and came upon something called TRIM, apparently it makes your SSD faster, do any SSDs come with it enabled or something? How do I get it? It's so CONFUSING[/QUOTE] That's not what I'm proposing. Wasn't your original build 2300$ or something? Get an SSD now, and a couple of HDDs, then upgrade. And overclocking the K chips is very easy, especially is you've got such a good cooler. You should be able to push it to 4GHz without effort, and 4.5GHz isn't unrealistic by any means. Just follow a good guide, and you'll have no problems doing it.
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