• PC Building Thread V1ti
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Happened to be browsing BAPCS when the 8700k in-stock thread went up. Wasn't planning on upgrading, but now that I have a very expensive processor coming my way, I guess I am. Someone mind weighing in on cooling and motherboards? Current build list: S340 Elite 8700k 1080ti FTW3 2x8gb DDR4. Probably 3200 or so. XFX 1050w BE (from my current computer. Neat RMA/upgrade from XFX) Leaning between the ASRock z370 Fatality i7 and their less expensive boards, and the GB AORUS because I like stupid things like LEDs. Also looking for a cooler, and am between the Dark Rock Pro 3 and an H115i. Skipping the Noctua D15s because it's ugly as sin and I'm vain.
How safe are WD Red 3TB IntelliPower when it comes to durability?
in fact the 8700k might be worse for gaming than the 7700k. The Turbo is not guaranteed on the 8700k, wheras it is on the 7700k. the new turbo shit is a total scam, hope amd mops the floor with intel in the coming years.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;52803987]Who cares about turbo on K chips? They're meant for overclocking. So far it looks like the 8700k actually overclocks slightly better than the 7700k.[/QUOTE] because the intel have made k chips redundant, the turbo is OC now.... A factory OC they aren't even confident on people getting. also, they don't guarantee the turbo, and obviously dont expect them all to even clock that high, wheras the 7700k is guaranteed its turbo clock. Look at [URL="https://ark.intel.com/products/126687/Intel-Core-i5-8400-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz"]this[/URL] They say this shit can hit 4.00ghz max, when in reality I doubt it'll go anywhere near this high (65w TDP), they only guarantee the base of 2.8ghz. What im saying is the 8700k might be worse in gaming, if you get a bad bit of silicon.
Weee, new case smell. Replaced my CM HAF 912 Plus with a Fractal Design Define C and I really like it. Especially cable management and sound damping is a LOT better. [T]https://i.imgur.com/KIfOA1h.jpg[/T][T]https://i.imgur.com/8Z2HMk6.jpg[/T]
after using a case with a rotated motherboard i couldnt go back to the standard layout [editline]21st October 2017[/editline] where do the drives go on that fractal are they in the bottom or mounted to the back of the motherboard tray?
[QUOTE=waylander;52805714]after using a case with a rotated motherboard i couldnt go back to the standard layout [editline]21st October 2017[/editline] where do the drives go on that fractal are they in the bottom or mounted to the back of the motherboard tray?[/QUOTE] Newer fractal cases have the drive cages on the same side as the back of the mobo, they basically just added the bottom shroud to the case but the kept the drive cage location the same but also harder to reach.
[QUOTE=Levelog;52771066]You're not wasting any electricity with a higher PSU though? In fact you're saving electricity assuming same specs because the 50-60% load is the efficiency peak spot, but not saving enough for it to be worth it imo.[/QUOTE] I mean yes and no, but peak efficiency differs and there's no point spending that much. Get a bronze rated psu at ~600w I recommend seasonic supplies. [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=huntingrifle;52799416]Strange, the benchmarks I saw showed the 7700K have better single core performance and the games didn't take advantage of the extra cores/threads of the 8700K.[/QUOTE] Here's the thing though, it's not going to make much, if any practical differences in many games unless you're upgrading from a pentium or a 4 year old processor. [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;52780812]I'm just going off what's guaranteed by the QVL. Of course just about anything with confirmed B-dies should work but I don't wanna tell him "buy X kit" and have them not work properly, also you never know who's quietly cheaping out production with hynix chips after launch. (*cough* CORSAIR) Memory on Ryzen is kind of a bitch and is its biggest drawback tbh. [editline]14th October 2017[/editline] [url]https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-SSR750R&c=CJ[/url] Here's a Seasonic 750W, should work well for your setup and last many years. You could step down to 650 to save even more and be fine, though it will run warmer and louder under load.[/QUOTE] Seasonic fans don't even spin unless the road is on fire z the cheaper one is a better fit. Hell, 600w is plenty.
Building new pc for someone. They want to play games like witcher 3/skyrim/WoW and stream their photoshop paintings on twitch. Budget is £900-£1000 and need a monitor too. 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-six-core-1600-3.60ghz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-39z-am.html]AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600 3.60GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail[/url]= [b]£179.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cougar-lx-600w-80-plus-bronze-full-modular-power-supply-ca-02b-cu.html]Cougar LX 600W 80 Plus Bronze Full Modular Power Supply[/url]= [b]£66.95[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asrock-a320m-pro4-amd-a320-socket-am4-ddr4-micro-atx-motherboard-mb-157-ak.html]Asrock A320M Pro4 AMD A320 (Socket AM4) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard[/url]= [b]£64.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-21300c16-2666mhz-dual-channel-kit-red-cmk16gx4m2a2666-my-454-cs.html]Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-21300C16 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit - Red (CMK16GX4M2A2666[/url]= [b]£158.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-windforce-oc-3072mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gv-n1060wf2oc-3gd-gx-18m-gi.html]Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce OC 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (GV-N1060WF2OC-3GD)[/url]= [b]£188.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-blue-1tb-7200rpm-sata-6gb-s-64mb-cache-hdd-oem-wd10ezex-hd-366-wd.html]WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (WD10EZEX)[/url]= [b]£43.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cougar-archon-v-midi-tower-gaming-case-black-window-ca-02k-cu.html]Cougar Archon V Midi-Tower Gaming Case - Black Window[/url]= [b]£34.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-inch-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00P73B1E4/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1508674747&sr=1-1&keywords=500gb%2Bssd&th=1]Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB 2.5 inch Solid State Drive[/url] = [b]£139[/b] [b]Total: £889.59[/b] How is this? Am I getting good value for the money? I really have no idea about monitors. Doesn't need to be a super expensive one if anyone has any suggestions. Good colour accuracy is the main thing.
he/you should really go for the 6gb 1060
[QUOTE=Hanibal;52808347]he/you should really go for the 6gb 1060[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-itx-edition-6144mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gv-n1060ixoc-6gd-gx-18p-gi.html[/url] Is it really worth it for that price increase? From what i've seen on comparisions we're talking small improvements as justification of jacking up prices. I might be misinformed though... Bearing in mind we're talking 1080p gaming
[QUOTE=nunu;52808282]Building new pc for someone. They want to play games like witcher 3/skyrim/WoW and stream their photoshop paintings on twitch. Budget is £900-£1000 and need a monitor too. 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-six-core-1600-3.60ghz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-39z-am.html]AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600 3.60GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail[/url]= [b]£179.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cougar-lx-600w-80-plus-bronze-full-modular-power-supply-ca-02b-cu.html]Cougar LX 600W 80 Plus Bronze Full Modular Power Supply[/url]= [b]£66.95[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asrock-a320m-pro4-amd-a320-socket-am4-ddr4-micro-atx-motherboard-mb-157-ak.html]Asrock A320M Pro4 AMD A320 (Socket AM4) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard[/url]= [b]£64.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-21300c16-2666mhz-dual-channel-kit-red-cmk16gx4m2a2666-my-454-cs.html]Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-21300C16 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit - Red (CMK16GX4M2A2666[/url]= [b]£158.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-windforce-oc-3072mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gv-n1060wf2oc-3gd-gx-18m-gi.html]Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce OC 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (GV-N1060WF2OC-3GD)[/url]= [b]£188.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-blue-1tb-7200rpm-sata-6gb-s-64mb-cache-hdd-oem-wd10ezex-hd-366-wd.html]WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (WD10EZEX)[/url]= [b]£43.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cougar-archon-v-midi-tower-gaming-case-black-window-ca-02k-cu.html]Cougar Archon V Midi-Tower Gaming Case - Black Window[/url]= [b]£34.99[/b] 1 x [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-inch-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00P73B1E4/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1508674747&sr=1-1&keywords=500gb%2Bssd&th=1]Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB 2.5 inch Solid State Drive[/url] = [b]£139[/b] [b]Total: £889.59[/b] How is this? Am I getting good value for the money? I really have no idea about monitors. Doesn't need to be a super expensive one if anyone has any suggestions. Good colour accuracy is the main thing.[/QUOTE] Seems like good value for money from where I'm standing. The Samsung barracuda drives are the same speed and slightly cheaper, also quite reliable. Apart from that, I'd say that I never stray from seasonic PSUs. They're quiet and they are very reliable. [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Hanibal;52808347]he/you should really go for the 6gb 1060[/QUOTE] This is a good idea too, but it's not necessary. Depends what they want out of their card. Realistically speaking, you'd see small improvements in most games though. [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=nunu;52808382][url]https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-itx-edition-6144mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gv-n1060ixoc-6gd-gx-18p-gi.html[/url] Is it really worth it for that price increase? From what i've seen on comparisions we're talking small improvements as justification of jacking up prices. I might be misinformed though... Bearing in mind we're talking 1080p gaming[/QUOTE] It depends on the game and what graphics settings they want on, to be quite honest. 3gb is plenty, I had a 3gb memory buffer for about 3/4 years and never had a problem. It was a gtx 780 Ti, now I have 11gb on my gtx 1080 ti and it's wonderful.
[QUOTE=Sylvie;52808595] I have 11gb on my gtx 1080 ti and it's wonderful.[/QUOTE] I'm sure it is haha. Do you mean Seagate BarraCuda? [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/b-grade-seagate-barracuda-1tb-7200rpm-sata-6gb-s-64mb-cache-hdd-oem-st1000dm010-bg-13e-se.html]link[/url]
[QUOTE=Atlascore;52808652]Don't buy power supplies from random no-name companies. Get an EVGA or Seasonic PSU. [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] Yes. Being VRAM limited is the worst, 6GB ensures he'll never run into this issue. The 1060 6GB is also the full GPU, as opposed to the cut down GPU on the 3GB. Simply put it performs better now and will age better.[/QUOTE] [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-WHITE-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0600-K3/dp/B01127D0MY/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1508687877&sr=1-1&keywords=EVGA+600W+80+Plus+Power+Supply]EVGA 600 W1, 80+ WHITE 600W[/url]? I know 6GB vram is better but i'm trying to stay around 900 rather than 1000 for them. A cheaper case and this psu brings the price down to almost the same as the 3GB version.
[QUOTE=nunu;52808630]I'm sure it is haha. Do you mean Seagate BarraCuda? [url=https://www.overclockers.co.uk/b-grade-seagate-barracuda-1tb-7200rpm-sata-6gb-s-64mb-cache-hdd-oem-st1000dm010-bg-13e-se.html]link[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, those. Just get one of the 7200rpm drives and you'll be good [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=nunu;52808698][url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-WHITE-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0600-K3/dp/B01127D0MY/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1508687877&sr=1-1&keywords=EVGA+600W+80+Plus+Power+Supply]EVGA 600 W1, 80+ WHITE 600W[/url]? I know 6GB vram is better but i'm trying to stay around 900 rather than 1000 for them. A cheaper case and this psu brings the price down to almost the same as the 3GB version.[/QUOTE] Chasses are relatively cheap anyway, I prefer one that costs a little bit more myself, but I'm not the builder/buyer in this case.
Thanks for the help guys, went with the 6gb version in the end
[QUOTE=nunu;52808924]Thanks for the help guys, went with the 6gb version in the end[/QUOTE] It's a good idea, honestly. The cheaper version tends to be cut down a little more than just ram. Do you still need a good monitor?
[QUOTE=waylander;52805714]after using a case with a rotated motherboard i couldnt go back to the standard layout [editline]21st October 2017[/editline] where do the drives go on that fractal are they in the bottom or mounted to the back of the motherboard tray?[/QUOTE] I can place 3 SSDs behind the motherboard tray and then there's room for 2 3.5" drives underneath the shroud. While the shroud is neat to hide the PSU and its wiring along with the drives, thermals do take a hit. I'm getting 38c for both my hard drives compared to ~30c on my old case.
[QUOTE=Merijnwitje;52809042]I can place 3 SSDs behind the motherboard tray and then there's room for 2 3.5" drives underneath the shroud. While the shroud is neat to hide the PSU and its wiring along with the drives, thermals do take a hit. I'm getting 38c for both my hard drives compared to ~30c on my old case.[/QUOTE] Yeah fractal has some really good space usage and really cuts down on unnecessarily large cases. I can't accurately compare my old case to my new one, thermal - wise because I was experiencing hardware issues when I switched, but I'm getting really good thermals definitely within expected levels.
[QUOTE=Sylvie;52809018]It's a good idea, honestly. The cheaper version tends to be cut down a little more than just ram. Do you still need a good monitor?[/QUOTE] I have a spare monitor they can use for a while, they might get a better one later on. Depends how it fits their need. I'm planning on upgrading my own at some point too so they could potentially have my current.
[QUOTE=Sylvie;52809155]Yeah fractal has some really good space usage and really cuts down on unnecessarily large cases. I can't accurately compare my old case to my new one, thermal - wise because I was experiencing hardware issues when I switched, but I'm getting really good thermals definitely within expected levels.[/QUOTE] Yeah I just built a new PC in the MeshifyC and that thing is [I]tiny[/I] compared to my old 500R [t]https://i.imgur.com/4OmNyiL.png[[/t]
[QUOTE=nunu;52809257]I have a spare monitor they can use for a while, they might get a better one later on. Depends how it fits their need. I'm planning on upgrading my own at some point too so they could potentially have my current.[/QUOTE] That sounds cool. This is a good price if you need a 144hz refresh rate at any point [url]https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00VRCLHYS/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1508706889&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=acer+freesync+144hz&dpPl=1&dpID=410KLZo44oL&ref=plSrch[/url]
[QUOTE][url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/spwHXH]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/spwHXH/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dQM323/intel-core-i5-7600k-38ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i57600k]Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($220.69 @ OutletPC) [b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($34.89 @ OutletPC) [b]Thermal Compound:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HBXfrH/arctic-cooling-thermal-paste-acmx4]ARCTIC - MX4 4g Thermal Paste[/url] ($4.39 @ OutletPC) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2Phj4D/asus-strix-z270-e-gaming-atx-lga1151-motherboard-strix-z270-e-gaming]Asus - STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($169.99 @ Amazon) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8k98TW/corsair-memory-cmk8gx4m2b4200c19r]Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-4200 Memory[/url] ($199.99 @ Newegg) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3fvZxr/gigabyte-video-card-gvn1080g1gaming8gd]Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card[/url] (2-Way SLI) ($538.99 @ SuperBiiz) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3fvZxr/gigabyte-video-card-gvn1080g1gaming8gd]Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card[/url] (2-Way SLI) ($538.99 @ SuperBiiz) [b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gvbkcf/fractal-design-define-c-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-c-bk]Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zhgPxr/evga-power-supply-220p20850x1]EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($137.89 @ OutletPC) [b]Total:[/b] $1910.81 [i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i] [i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 18:29 EDT-0400[/i][/QUOTE] So this is what i have for my father-in-law's PC build, all other things we have already. I went with the p2 850w because it is likely going to be in the computer for 10+ years without a change, and wanted something rock solid. are there any issues with this build, or places i could cut some money out?
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;52809790]So this is what i have for my father-in-law's PC build, all other things we have already. I went with the p2 850w because it is likely going to be in the computer for 10+ years without a change, and wanted something rock solid. are there any issues with this build, or places i could cut some money out?[/QUOTE] Don't SLI, get the Ti. (mc augustburnsred in the house) SLI won't work in a LOT of titles, and can hamper performance in others without being manually disabled. I would strongly recommend putting the saved money into a Coffee Lake setup and 16GB RAM. And get 2400-3000 speed DDR4, anything clocked higher won't give you any real perf gains. Also you need storage, and it's fine if you carry over an old HDD or SSD but consider the age of the old stuff before following through.
Ugh my z77-ds3h just got stuck in a infinite boot loop what a piece of shit this was the second board that has done it and they randomly had problems booting as well. Decided to bin it and ordered a asrock extreme 4 I hope they actually have it it's not that easy to find new z77 boards and the ones I saw were expensive as well [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] If I can't find any tim is it worth getting the liquid metal stuff
[QUOTE=waylander;52809947]Ugh my z77-ds3h just got stuck in a infinite boot loop what a piece of shit this was the second board that has done it and they randomly had problems booting as well. Decided to bin it and ordered a asrock extreme 4 I hope they actually have it it's not that easy to find new z77 boards and the ones I saw were expensive as well [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] If I can't find any tim is it worth getting the liquid metal stuff[/QUOTE] Liquid metal imo only good for under ihs or when it's not touching aluminium or copper. Otherwise don't bother and grab a good paste
[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52810014]Liquid metal imo only good for under ihs or when it's not touching aluminium or copper. Otherwise don't bother and grab a good paste[/QUOTE] Idk I find it fantastic on anything My W541 used to overheat on a fresh repaste with MX-4 but can now sustain full clock speed at max load, and my desktop now has a temp range of 22C-50C or so whereas it'd redline at this clock speed with conventional paste. Conventional paste also pumps out and gets worse over time whereas whatever liquid metal seems to keep its thermal properties pretty good.
[quote] It depends on the game and what graphics settings they want on, to be quite honest. 3gb is plenty, I had a 3gb memory buffer for about 3/4 years and never had a problem. It was a gtx 780 Ti, now I have 11gb on my gtx 1080 ti and it's wonderful.[/QUOTE] Yeah I guess 3gb is enough up until now , but I'm sure if you want to have1080p High settings (not ultra), in upcoming and future titles, 6gb is going to become the standart , shadow of war on high textures already eats up 5.6gb of vram , going for ultra is like 8gb if I'm not mistaking. Maybe its just me but I like nice crisp textures when my pc can handle it.
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;52809920]Don't SLI, get the Ti. (mc augustburnsred in the house) SLI won't work in a LOT of titles, and can hamper performance in others without being manually disabled. I would strongly recommend putting the saved money into a Coffee Lake setup and 16GB RAM. And get 2400-3000 speed DDR4, anything clocked higher won't give you any real perf gains. Also you need storage, and it's fine if you carry over an old HDD or SSD but consider the age of the old stuff before following through.[/QUOTE] Have the gtx 1080 ti, and have played around with sli 1080s recently. The ti is a better idea, honestly. Get a lower wattage psu too. [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Hanibal;52810904]Yeah I guess 3gb is enough up until now , but I'm sure if you want to have1080p High settings (not ultra), in upcoming and future titles, 6gb is going to become the standart , shadow of war on high textures already eats up 5.6gb of vram , going for ultra is like 8gb if I'm not mistaking. Maybe its just me but I like nice crisp textures when my pc can handle it.[/QUOTE] Yeah but the first game used something stupid like 4gb for maxed out textures.
So I figure it's about time to start saving up for upgrades to my pc. [IMG]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270746808353947659/372047071965872130/unknown.png[/IMG] What is my best option for upgrading at the lowest possible cost? Do I go Ryzen or do I stay intel?
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