• Android Phone - which one?
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[QUOTE=garrynohome;31796898]If a phone is incapable of lasting all day with the brightness maxed and GPS enabled it's not worth the money. I keep my SGS maxed brightness with 3G, Bluetooth, GPS and wifi enabled. It lasts me the entire day listening to music, texting, steaming HD youtube and taking pictures/videos. Also you're definitely right that the Nexus S is a much better option than the blade. But don't just attribute that to the 400MHz cpu speed difference. Remember, the Nexus S uses an ARMv7 cpu and the Blade uses an ARMv6 one.[/QUOTE] I'm versing the blade with the Inc, and in the Inc's favor, it has a better processor and it runs fine, compared to a 400Mhz slower processor. The Nexus S is a completely different story. As for battery life, you're comparing the best android phone 1.5 years ago to the best android phone now. Of course you can run around with 3G, GPS, and bluetooth on 24/7, but older phones have more wasteful GPS components, combined with lackluster batteries. I can enable GPS and bluetooth through the notification bar, so it doesn't bug me in the slightest to turn it on when I need it. The thing is, though, that battery life isn't really a decent deciding factor with a lot of the extended batteries costing next to nothing anyhow. If you really need an extended battery, you can do so for a cheap price. My phone runs just fine, but I'd prefer to have a little extra juice when I need it a lot. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] Oh, and before I forget, by GPS, I mean Navigation, not the actual component (although the component does it's fair share of battery drain when it's trying to lock on inside a building).
[QUOTE=garrynohome;31794084]The SGS II is the best android device out there overall. Best CPU, Best GPU, Best screen, thinnest and fastest. Hunt3r.j2 appears to have a vested interest in people buying HTC devices. Hunt3r.j2 doesn't possess the technical knowledge to understand that HTC releasing a device with the MSM8620 running 300MHz faster will not significantly increase the speed of the device. It's limited by the architecture of the cores which is most similar to an A8 while all the new CPUs use A9s. So regardless of how much HTC wishes to make the fastest device they simply can not. Another big issue is their UI taking large amounts of resources to run. [editline]18th August 2011[/editline] Now you live in the US. The best devices I can recommend RIGHT NOW on Verizon are the Droid X2 and the Droid 3. On AT&T I'd grab the Atrix and on T-Mobile I'd grab the G2X. Sprint bet their money on a 3D device and at the moment they have no devices worth the money.[/QUOTE] Right now your choices are on the money, or the GS2 if you're will to go off contract and are on a GSM carrier. In the future there will be phones that exceed the GS2 in terms of screen resolution, and a RGB stripe 720p P-IPS monitor or equivalent would mean that the GSII's 800x480 screen may be harder to accept. OMAP 4 processors also apparently are faster than Exynos clock for clock, with Tegra 2 a close second, so Motorola's future smartphones should be interesting to see. I don't have a vested interest in HTC, just a vested interest in phones being released 2-3 months from now, because I already have a contract and it's not going to be over for another year and a half, so I see no reason to look at phones right now. Sense UI may fill you with rage, but there are people who like it and are okay with it, and those who don't like it will get rid of it and either run AOSP or HTC roms with sense removed. Seeing as how we're already at 1 GB of memory and I wouldn't expect to see 2 GB by the next year or two, Sense will pretty much be negligible in CPU/RAM usage. The next gen smartphone war is far from over, you can fully expect Samsung to be replacing the GSII as it's flagship with SAMOLED+ HD screens, higher clocked Exynos/Tegra2 SoCs, LTE, and the works in general. I suspect a gigantic tidal wave of new and improved phones to steal the thunder from the iPhone 5 launch. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/4559/tmobile-mytouch-4g-slide-review-photographers-wanted/3[/url] Interesting performance numbers, Snapdragon's GPU is pretty damn snappy, and the CPU does lag behind, but it's not terrible, at least, not yet. Qualcomm's Adreno GPUs are pretty much the best in town. The CPU is going to have to wait until Krait to become competitive, which should be around middle of April next year, but depending on how fast Kal-El is and other upcoming SoCs, it could possibly be too little, too late. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.droid-life.com/2011/07/21/qualcomms-krait-dual-core-msm8960-processor-sampled-ahead-of-scheduled-could-see-device-time-this-year/[/url] Well just kidding apparently Krait will show up end of calendar 2011 and probably in force with smartphones shipping in 2012.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;31794084] Now you live in the US. The best devices I can recommend RIGHT NOW on Verizon are the Droid X2 and the Droid 3. On AT&T I'd grab the Atrix and on T-Mobile I'd grab the G2X. Sprint bet their money on a 3D device and at the moment they have no devices worth the money.[/QUOTE]i have the evo 3d and i'd say it's worth the money. I couldn't care any less about the 3d capabilities than I already do, I like the device for pretty much everything else. the battery sucks donkey balls but it did with the first evo as well so that wasn't a shocker
[QUOTE=M_B;31799250]i have the evo 3d and i'd say it's worth the money. I couldn't care any less about the 3d capabilities than I already do, I like the device for pretty much everything else. the battery sucks donkey balls but it did with the first evo as well so that wasn't a shocker[/QUOTE] I would guess that the battery issue has something to do with the 3D components or the WiMax radio, because the Sensation is similar and gets good battery life for a smartphone. I'd imagine custom ROMs would fix it.
[quote]Qualcomm's Adreno GPUs are pretty much the best in town.[/quote] You linked to a site that didn't benchmark the mali-400 chip. The Mali can power up to 3 1080p displays simultaneously. It can also output 1080p stereoscopic 3D running at 70Hz. Then of course they're comparing the mid level OMAP4430 and Nvidia's Tegra 2 from 2010 to Qualcomm's 2011 flagship and claiming that qualcomm makes the best CPUs and GPUs. They also "forgot" to bench the SGS II. I guess they wanted to make the Qualcomm devices looks nice but people who do their research unlike yourself will do more than just pass off the benchmarks as accurate.
[QUOTE=M_B;31799250]i have the evo 3d and i'd say it's worth the money. I couldn't care any less about the 3d capabilities than I already do, I like the device for pretty much everything else. the battery sucks donkey balls but it did with the first evo as well so that wasn't a shocker[/QUOTE] I agree. The 3D is a cool feature to have and it's not as if HTC traded great hardware for a gimmick. Battery does suck dog shit though.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;31804513]You linked to a site that didn't benchmark the mali-400 chip. The Mali can power up to 3 1080p displays simultaneously. It can also output 1080p stereoscopic 3D running at 70Hz. Then of course they're comparing the mid level OMAP4430 and Nvidia's Tegra 2 from 2010 to Qualcomm's 2011 flagship and claiming that qualcomm makes the best CPUs and GPUs. They also "forgot" to bench the SGS II. I guess they wanted to make the Qualcomm devices looks nice but people who do their research unlike yourself will do more than just pass off the benchmarks as accurate.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked[/url] No, actually they're one of the more respected tech websites out there, and they haven't actually finished evaluating the GSII. They only have preliminary benches, and the full ones aren't due out for a while.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31811090][url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked[/url] No, actually they're one of the more respected tech websites out there, and they haven't actually finished evaluating the GSII. They only have preliminary benches, and the full ones aren't due out for a while.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding? It takes all of two hours maximum to do benchmarks of a device with several different benchmarking tools. Also I never said anandtech was a non respected site so I'm not sure why you said that. I simply pointed out that the benchmarks were flawed. I notice those preliminary benchmarks are done on an early device using 2.3.1. There were tons of optimizations done for the final release and it's pathetic that they haven't benchmarked a device that's been out for over a month. [editline]18th August 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/galaxy-s-ii-benchmarked-makes-other-phones-cry-in-shame/[/url] Nearly doubles the Sensation in both smartbench productivity and gaming. And looking at the OS version these are final software build benches. [editline]18th August 2011[/editline] [url]http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/07/15/review-bell-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-4g/[/url] Nearly doubled the MFLOPS in linpack compared to the G2X and achieved almost 20MFLOPS more than the Sensation. Doubled the speed of the Sensation in Sunspider. Suffice to say ananadtech doesn't need to finalize anything. Because the proof that the exynos chip+mali-400 is the fastest has already been presented over and over again.
If you're using verizon and have 4G service in your area the Droid Charge is not a bad choice.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;31811210]Are you kidding? It takes all of two hours maximum to do benchmarks of a device with several different benchmarking tools.[/QUOTE] Yes, but their "full" evaluation is basically benchmarks and a full evaluation of the phone and day to day use over multiple weeks. [editline]18th August 2011[/editline] If the GSII is definitively faster than okay man, either way Qualcomm is a big player in the market, seeing as how some GSII variants will have Qualcomm SoCs, they're going to have to release Krait sooner than later.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31812900]Yes, but their "full" evaluation is basically benchmarks and a full evaluation of the phone and day to day use over multiple weeks. [editline]18th August 2011[/editline] If the GSII is definitively faster than okay man, either way Qualcomm is a big player in the market, seeing as how some GSII variants will have Qualcomm SoCs, they're going to have to release Krait sooner than later.[/QUOTE] Nothing has proven that a SGS II variant will use a qualcomm SoC. Also they aren't really a big player anymore. If it weren't for HTC their CPU branch would have died. Krait will be to an A9 what scorpion was to an A8. Then when the A15s roll around Qualcomm will be last place yet again. It's a cycle that is doomed to repeat.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;31815219]Nothing has proven that a SGS II variant will use a qualcomm SoC. Also they aren't really a big player anymore. If it weren't for HTC their CPU branch would have died. Krait will be to an A9 what scorpion was to an A8. Then when the A15s roll around Qualcomm will be last place yet again. It's a cycle that is doomed to repeat.[/QUOTE] Well yes, but at some point it was said in these forums that the T-Mobile will run one or something. For some reason Samsung is also using Qualcomm chips. [url]http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43040-new-snapdragon-cpu-offers-23-better-performance-than-cortex-a15.html[/url] Also wait what? While it'll be interesting to see OMAP 5 and whatever Samsung has up their sleeve, I don't think we can rule out Qualcomm, they launched the first 1 GHz SoCs with Snapdragon, I think it's possible for them to bring out something competitive again.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31818671]Well yes, but at some point it was said in these forums that the T-Mobile will run one or something. For some reason Samsung is also using Qualcomm chips. [url]http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43040-new-snapdragon-cpu-offers-23-better-performance-than-cortex-a15.html[/url] Also wait what? While it'll be interesting to see OMAP 5 and whatever Samsung has up their sleeve, I don't think we can rule out Qualcomm, they launched the first 1 GHz SoCs with Snapdragon, I think it's possible for them to bring out something competitive again.[/QUOTE] I'd call it a false document. Qualcomm has said themselves that they feel no need to bring out a quad core chip. Yet that picture claims they're working on one right now? If it's legitimate then I'll happily pick up a Qualcomm device. But the facts show that anybody who has faith in them is kidding themselves when you consider the crap that Qualcomm has released so far.
Eh, right now I would believe that OMAP5 will be pretty sure, but Tegra 3 seems to be evaporating into the future. All I see on Samsung SoCs is that they might/will have 2 GHz dual core by next year. Perhaps Qualcomm isn't coming out with anything new and impressive, but I just believe there's a reasonable chance that they'll come out with something that is competitive with Cortex A15. Dual core SoCs have barely been reality for more than a few months, and I think it's still not quite reached maturity yet.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31821466]Eh, right now I would believe that OMAP5 will be pretty sure, but Tegra 3 seems to be evaporating into the future. All I see on Samsung SoCs is that they might/will have 2 GHz dual core by next year. Perhaps Qualcomm isn't coming out with anything new and impressive, but I just believe there's a reasonable chance that they'll come out with something that is competitive with Cortex A15. Dual core SoCs have barely been reality for more than a few months, and I think it's still not quite reached maturity yet.[/QUOTE] Oh it's quite possible. But I do not view myself as an optimist and as a result do not have much confidence in a company who has sat quietly in last place for over a year without any attempts to innovate or improve.
The new nexus is apparently coming out in a couple months. I have a feeling it will be very good.
[QUOTE=mix999;31851566]The new nexus is apparently coming out in a couple months. I have a feeling it will be very good.[/QUOTE] I think everyone has a feeling you're right, except for Apple zealots. [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=garrynohome;31824526]Oh it's quite possible. But I do not view myself as an optimist and as a result do not have much confidence in a company who has sat quietly in last place for over a year without any attempts to innovate or improve.[/QUOTE] [url]http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/[/url] Semiaccurate is usually extremely good at finding sources/moles for stuff like this, and they're pretty well known for predicting a lot of things accurately (Apple going to ATI, etc). Maybe Krait isn't as bad as previously thought.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31800427]I would guess that the battery issue has something to do with the 3D components or the WiMax radio, because the Sensation is similar and gets good battery life for a smartphone. I'd imagine custom ROMs would fix it.[/QUOTE]basically, yeah. assuming you have the screen already at a brightness equal to what it uses when you switch over to 3D, which i'm guessing is the brightest, viewing a picture or watching a video in 3D will use about 1/3 more battery than it would in 2D, and again, when you turn the 3D on the brightness forces itself to what I can only assume is all the way up. and then 4G is a real battery suck if you're actually using it. I haven't gotten around to rooting just yet, haven't really had the time, but I'm pretty sure the mobile hotspot should also kill it rather quickly. If you just take it out and fuck with it for about a half hour 4 or 5 times throughout the day, say waiting in lines at disneyland, it should last fine if you know not to have everything turned on. [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] said and done, however, the battery still does leave much to be desired. which is why i'll be ordering an extended battery shortly
[QUOTE=M_B;31855887]basically, yeah. assuming you have the screen already at a brightness equal to what it uses when you switch over to 3D, which i'm guessing is the brightest, viewing a picture or watching a video in 3D will use about 1/3 more battery than it would in 2D, and again, when you turn the 3D on the brightness forces itself to what I can only assume is all the way up. and then 4G is a real battery suck if you're actually using it. I haven't gotten around to rooting just yet, haven't really had the time, but I'm pretty sure the mobile hotspot should also kill it rather quickly. If you just take it out and fuck with it for about a half hour 4 or 5 times throughout the day, say waiting in lines at disneyland, it should last fine if you know not to have everything turned on. [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] said and done, however, the battery still does leave much to be desired. which is why i'll be ordering an extended battery shortly[/QUOTE] HTC for some reason just loves to put as small a battery as possible in their phones, and my suggestion is pretty much to never turn on 3D, only WiMax if the signal is at least 3 bars, and low brightness. Extended batteries are one of the few things that the EVO 3D can get that the Sensation doesn't that presents a reasonable upgrade. I'd love to get 3 days of solid usage out of my phone without charging, but I have a unibody DHD.
in my experience 1 bar of 4G isn't much faster than full bars of 3G, so I usually only have the 4G turned on when it's charging, in an area that gets at least 2 bars or when I'm driving and using it for pandora or navigation - which works great with the dock by the way. of course if i'm in an area that gets full bars and know i'm not going to use it for an hour or two i still turn 4G off i'm not dumb. sidenote - the unfortunate thing about the extended battery is there aren't really any cases or docks that will work well with it. provided, cases aren't really necessary since the only things they cover are already rubberized if not painted brushed aluminum. but the official docks are the best you can get but since they're formed to the device there's obviously no way to use one with an extended battery. then again this is why both my jobs have things like lockers and my car has compartments and so on and so forth
Personally I'd recommend the HTC Sensation. I’ve had the phone for a few months, after upgrading form an old HTC magic, and I have absolutely no complaints at all. Aside from the fact is has a 1.2ghz dual-core processor (never thought I’d see that in a phone) and has all the excellence of Android and HTC sense, I expected it to have a few drawbacks prior to getting it. One of my friends has a HTC desire Z and the battery life was terrible, barely even lasting a day. However, I was surprised to find that the Sensation actually seems to have very good battery life. I recall once putting it on charge after 3 and a half days on battery. Fair enough I hadn’t used it very much, but with Wifi, network syncing and a decent screen brightness I still wouldn’t have expected that. For someone who is used to just putting a phone on charge every night I am more than happy with it, and even with some Spotify, Angry birds and plenty of texting, it still holds up well. (Note we don’t have 4G or anything in the UK so I’m not sure how that affects it). Another thing that surprised me about this phone is its build quality. I have clumsily knocked this thing about in the dark or after having a bit to drink and it doesn’t have a scratch on it. It’s also incredibly light compared to the HTC desire at least, I’m not sure how it compares with other similar sized smart phones but considering the size of it you really don’t notice it in your pocket at all. I’ve not tried many other smart phones at all recently so it’d be unfair to say “herpa derp you can’t buy anything better” but I’ve honestly not found anything wrong with this phone and would have no reason at all to swap it for anything, and therefore would highly recommend it. Whatever you buy I guess is largely down to preference, as I’m sure many other smart phones do have similar specs and features, but whatever you do, buy an android. [B]Edited:[/B] Heh, sorry for the essay. Nothing like writing a huge-ass letter to send you to sleep at 2AM.
It's a nice phone but it's about to have the shine taken off by the HTC Amaze, 720p screen and apparently the Mytouch 4G Slide camera. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] Whoops, still qHD, but apparently 1.5 GHz and 1 GB of RAM. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] Really I'd wait until Krait is in HTC phones before I'd really consider buying them again.
HTC Evo 4G
Got the SGSII a week ago, and jesus christ it's one hell of a phone. If you get one I can absolutley guarantee you won't be dissapointed. I couldn't care less about the upcoming "S2 killers" - peformance is only one reason this phone is so great. Filled to the brim with features, Touchwhiz has all the functionality you could ever want, awesome screen, feels great in the hand.. my only beef with it for the moment is that the GPS takes quite a while to get a lock-on but it'll surely get patched within a few weeks. Edit Aww.. someone's jelly.
In general the only company that has phones with truly solid GPS is Motorola, their phones get like 7 foot accuracy and 1 second warm fixes, 15 second cold fixes, etc. HTC gets around 15-20 feet with similar lock-times but really their GPS is a bit hit and miss at times, and is model-dependent, some get fantastic accuracy and lock times on par with Motorola, others are near the average. Samsung's Galaxy S is notoriously bad, the GSII is quick with locks but is more like 30 foot accuracy on average, if XDA can be believed. If you want solid GPS your best option is a bluetooth GPS receiver, it reduces your phone battery drain and is probably as good as GPS gets short of differential GPS with all the various augmentation systems (WAAS, EGNOS, GPS information downloaded via cell data, etc etc), which will run a GPS system into the thousands of dollars range. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] I think HTC's 15 feet accuracy is more likely if you have a phone like the Desire HD where the antenna design for GPS is not the greatest, people quote the HTC Sensation as having around 9 feet accuracy.
Yeah, I did read up a bit on the GPS functionality in Samsung's phones, and it is apparently not so great. I will usually get a decent lock within one minute or so. Luckily I'm not in any way dependent on the GPS, only ever use it when I'm out running and want to check my speed.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;31907295]Yeah, I did read up a bit on the GPS functionality in Samsung's phones, and it is apparently not so great. I will usually get a decent lock within one minute or so. Luckily I'm not in any way dependent on the GPS, only ever use it when I'm out running and want to check my speed.[/QUOTE] I just personally think the GPS they package with their phones aren't all that great, seems like their antenna connections aren't all that solid either (same issue with Desire HD). [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] General warning about Samsung is that their GPS doesn't seem to really be all that great, but everything else should be good. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] I've seen a video of a Nexus S getting about 4-5 meter accuracy almost instantly and in general very solid performance, so I'm pretty sure Samsung is well and capable of making decent GPS.
Oh shit I'm in the wrong thread oops
Ugh, just saw a video of the GSII's GPS. It looks like it should have simply [I]incredible[/I] accuracy and locktimes using Fasterfix, but instead no, it takes over a minute and a half for a cold fix and even then it starts out with 400 foot accuracy, somehow while having a signal strength that is usually unheard of in other smartphones that have genuinely good GPS. There's easily 6 satellites with strong GPS signal in view, yet no lock. 10 satellites in view, more than half are extremely good and unheard of for my Desire HD, yet still no lock. Disheartening. I don't get it, and I really wish that Samsung would make a solid GPS, it seems like they did it with the Nexus S, yet they can't do it in the GSII. -sigh- /rant end
I remember when your phone was judged by its radical ringtones Superfly
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