• Ragdoll Slaughter V4
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  • Avatar of pac0master
  • Plz Just Lock this Thread if any Mod/admin see it I Did something wrong so ill try to fix it Thanks you
  • Avatar of pac0master
  • I dont know .. That's why i do not take any credit for the map .. I didn't been able to Contact the creator of this map, so I cant really have his/her permission -- Its hard to contact someone and have the permission for something that he/she created like 4 years ago
  • Avatar of raviool
  • if you dont have permission you cant edit and rerelease someone's map. if you cant contact him you dont release an edit of his map.
  • Avatar of IronPhoenix
  • [QUOTE=pac0master;34753007]I dont know .. That's why i do not take any credit for the map .. I didn't been able to Contact the creator of this map, so I cant really have his/her permission -- Its hard to contact someone and have the permission for something that he/she created like 4 years ago[/QUOTE] Then don't edit a map if you don't have permission to do it. Its a common courtesy.
  • Avatar of spikeman14
  • [QUOTE=raviool;34756176]if you dont have permission you cant edit and rerelease someone's map. if you cant contact him you dont release an edit of his map.[/QUOTE] What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap! No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE! As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it!
  • Avatar of sirdownloadsalo
  • [QUOTE=spikeman14;34815614]What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap! No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE! As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it![/QUOTE] Dude, it's called being respectfull to someone elses work. Even if the law does not apply to it, it is still a bad thing to do. We are not saying "STOP THIS IS ILLEGAL YOU GONNA GET IN TROUBLE!", We're saying "STOP THIS IS A BAD THING TO DO!"
  • Avatar of spikeman14
  • [QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;34815670]Dude, it's called being respectfull to someone elses work. Even if the law does not apply to it, it is still a bad thing to do. We are not saying "STOP THIS IS ILLEGAL YOU GONNA GET IN TROUBLE!", We're saying "STOP THIS IS A BAD THING TO DO!"[/QUOTE] This guy tried to get consent from the author but couldn't contact them, fair play to him for trying! As a mapper and lua coder myself I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Its called modifying, updating, advancing.....or would you rather we still lived in caves? Your argument is stupid and invalid!
  • Avatar of sirdownloadsalo
  • [QUOTE=spikeman14;34815751]This guy tried to get consent from the author but couldn't contact them, fair play to him for trying! As a mapper and lua coder myself I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Its called modifying, updating, advancing.....[B]or would you rather we still lived in caves?[/B] Your argument is stupid and invalid![/QUOTE] It's called editing someones elses map and republishing it. so what if he TRIED? TRYING is not going to get you a gold medal. I myself, as a mapper, would not be happy seeing someone edit one of my maps and republishing it. Also, updating and advancing? Do you have any idea of what you are typing down? Updating and Advancing is good! It's great! It should be done by the maps creator and not someone else who does not have the authors consent. (I bolded the part of your post that i think you should just cut out. Because it makes you look like an absolute idiot.) [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] Seriously are you even trying?
  • Avatar of IronPhoenix
  • The map should only ever be worked on with the authors consent. No consent, no work. Now, if someone asks me if they can use a vmf, i will most likely give it to them. However, i wouldn't be happy if someone ripped off my work without asking first. It is a courtesy.
  • Avatar of sphinxa279
  • [QUOTE=spikeman14;34815614]What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap! No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE! As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it![/QUOTE] Wow you are plain fucking retarded, you don't just go and edit somebody else's map. Even if you don't take credit for it, it's still not right, the original author probably put shitloads of work into the map only for it to be decompiled, edited and reuploaded.
  • Avatar of GameDev
  • [QUOTE=spikeman14;34815614]What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap! No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE! As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it![/QUOTE] Taking someone's map and making edits on it is like taking the Mona Lisa and scribbling a mustache on her with a sharpie. If someone even dares to decompile my work I would probably rip their testicles off.
  • Avatar of simsfreak63
  • [QUOTE=GameDev;34825340]Taking someone's map and making edits on it is like taking the Mona Lisa and scribbling a mustache on her with a sharpie. If someone even dares to decompile my work I would probably rip their testicles off.[/QUOTE] No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/The_Joconde_by_a_student_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci.png[/url] Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original. He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.
  • Avatar of IronPhoenix
  • [QUOTE=simsfreak63;34838899]No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/The_Joconde_by_a_student_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci.png[/url] Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original. He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.[/QUOTE] And mappers still frown on the behaviour. Especially if it is a mapper who hasn't released any of his own work that is worthwhile in and shape or form, and feels inclined to release someone elses work in order to bolster their rep. As i said before, no permission, no map. He probably didn't fix any of the errors caused by decompiling either.
  • Avatar of mopman999
  • [QUOTE=simsfreak63;34838899]No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/The_Joconde_by_a_student_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci.png[/url] Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original. He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.[/QUOTE] How is that improved? It is no longer original, and I honestly think that is pretty stupid. That is not how the painter envisioned the painting to be, and that is why it was not originally painted that way. Taking someone's work and adding your own stuff is like you writing a book and someone rewrote the ending.
  • Avatar of GameDev
  • [QUOTE=simsfreak63;34838899] He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.[/QUOTE] So with your logic, that means I can look at something that's not mine and ask, "Hey, can I have this?" and if they don't respond that obviously means yes?
  • Avatar of Pyth
  • [QUOTE=simsfreak63;34838899]No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before. [URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/The_Joconde_by_a_student_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci.png[/URL] Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original. He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.[/QUOTE] I'd decompile and edit one of your maps without credit but OWAIT you have none. Don't speak about things you know nothing of. Also, cool YT vids. [editline].[/editline] [t]http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/220/d/0/runescape_drawing_by_simsfreak63.jpg[/t] rofl
  • Avatar of IronPhoenix
  • [QUOTE=GameDev;34841432]So with your logic, that means I can look at something that's not mine and ask, "Hey, can I have this?" and if they don't respond that obviously means yes?[/QUOTE] I'm gonna try that in a bank vault at midnight.
  • Avatar of mopman999
  • [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;34845497]I'm gonna try that in a bank vault at midnight.[/QUOTE] Make sure you bring a burlap sack for all the money, and maybe a cool mask just incase its a costume party
  • Avatar of IronPhoenix
  • [QUOTE=mopman999;34846300]Make sure you bring a burlap sack for all the money, and maybe a cool mask just incase its a costume party[/QUOTE] I have my stripy jumper too...
  • Avatar of simsfreak63
  • I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem. I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes. Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.
  • Avatar of Pyth
  • [QUOTE=simsfreak63;34865363]I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem. I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes. Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.[/QUOTE] You're trying too hard.
  • Avatar of sphinxa279
  • [QUOTE=simsfreak63;34865363]I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem. I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes. Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.[/QUOTE] is that you in your avatar? [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] nevermind it is, you're really cool :D [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpmzkiU3Y_I&feature=related[/media]
  • Avatar of IronPhoenix
  • [QUOTE=simsfreak63;34865363]I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem. I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes. Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.[/QUOTE] People will always be interested in the great works of art. Maybe if i expire, planetfall will go down in history. However the fact is still this. As mappers, we have a right to be able to tell someone that they can or cannot work on a map. If they don't reply, it is not right to just go ahead and map a rip off of someone else's map. I can tell you that sgt sgt wasn't too pleased when his map was claimed by other people, and faulkman before that had a couple of people claim the titanic was their own work. Editing without permission is stealing under another name. This is how we work. You have had this told to you from seven individual mappers, yet you still try the same excuse everytime. In short, it isn't right, most mappers agree on this. Accept it.
  • Avatar of pac0master
  • I understant what you mean IronPhoenix But I never Claimed Credit for that map and I am trying to contact the Original Author and ask him permission if he do not want I will remove this Map from This Gmod.org and The Gmod Toybox I Repeat I made this Map for having fun with a new design of His work I do not take any credit and Make this for Enjoying a new concept I will Create my Own map For Slaughtering ragdoll Later I Used This map Because i wanted to Learn how he Made it and simply modded few Broken Traps And making it at my taste I Dont want to shock anyone from this, And I will release soon Some Traps made of my own . I will also Give the VMF For Free, for eveyone who want to use them :P
  • Avatar of Pyth
  • [QUOTE=pac0master;34871559]I understant what you mean IronPhoenix But I never Claimed Credit for that map and I am trying to contact the Original Author and ask him permission if he do not want I will remove this Map from This Gmod.org and The Gmod Toybox I Repeat I made this Map for having fun with a new design of His work I do not take any credit and Make this for Enjoying a new concept I will Create my Own map For Slaughtering ragdoll Later I Used This map Because i wanted to Learn how he Made it and simply modded few Broken Traps And making it at my taste I Dont want to shock anyone from this, And I will release soon Some Traps made of my own . I will also Give the VMF For Free, for eveyone who want to use them :P[/QUOTE] WeLl ThAt CeRtIaNlY ClEaRs ThInGs Up
  • Avatar of mopman999
  • [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpmzkiU3Y_I&feature=related[/media] Aw what a cute hello kitty backpack! Is that yours? And to answer your question, I'm sure shakespeare wouldnt want some bad movie called gnomeo and juliet made out of his work. He spent time on creating that play.