• The Musician's Gig Room Chat V1 - Songwriting and Sound Design for all!
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PkIcdAf.png[/IMG] This thread is for the keen music producers and songwriters out there - whether you're just getting started, a master of sine waves or somewhere in the middle, feel free to gather here to talk about the songs you have written, help budding or even experienced musicians with their tracks, or just have a chat! [B]~~ JOIN OUR DISCORD ~~[/B] [url]https://discord.gg/hFAfk5H[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AASnPD2.png[/IMG] [I] Please note, that as this is the general discussion, we cannot enforce this through moderation (as far as I know, unless Ashman is still willing or whatever). HOWEVER, these are general points of courtesy for posting your work and if you do not follow them as guidelines then you are a bad person, plain and simple.[/I] 1. If you are posting a song that you are seeking criticism on, first you must provide feedback on another person's track. There's such a thing as give or take and we like it to happen. If you don't post feedback then you won't get any in return. 2. Be polite about someone's work at ALL times. You're an asshole if you say something is crap. 3. Listen to feedback, and just be respectuful dude. Seriously just don't be an asshole okay. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LikJdD9.png[/IMG] A good starting point for free resources: [url]http://bedroomproducersblog.com[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/e5uxvsI.png[/IMG] [url]http://tweakheadz.com/guide-to-home-and-project-music-studios/[/url] [url]http://downloads.izotope.com/guides/iZotope-Mixing-Guide-Principles-Tips-Techniques.pdf[/url]
I have a feeling that these music production threads are going to die out, without a subforum for them. Surely nobody will find them under all of the unrelated threads, considering that the Musicians' Gig Room wasn't very active anyway. Despite the dickheads that were oblivious to the rules we were all trying to enforce, Musicians' Gig Room was my favorite shit on Facepunch.
I got my Pro Tools 101 certification and going back next week for my 110 ! You wouldn't believe how much shit this program can do.
New guy here, but I have a question for you guys. I'm helping my cousin start his band by helping them write and it's got my mind seriously bent trying to wrap my head around a new style. I play guitar (hense writing guitar and lyrics) in more a metal/harder rock with a small bit of blues and jazz influences, but mostly fast-paced harder rock riffs. Their band's a more southern rock/country style. He's very open to the idea of harder rock influences to give them a different flair, but I don't really want to push it over the top for them either. What are some recommendations for different ways to learn playing the new style quickly while trying to blend the two styles together (which isn't necessarily a popular thing, I know)?
[quote]1. If you are posting a song that you are seeking criticism on we will not give you criticism or even listen if you do not first provide feedback for another person's track. There's such thing as a give and take and we like it to happen. Basically if you don't post feedback noone's going to bother with listening to your track.[/quote] Can you bold this pretty please?
[QUOTE=mastoner20;46924251]New guy here, but I have a question for you guys. I'm helping my cousin start his band by helping them write and it's got my mind seriously bent trying to wrap my head around a new style. I play guitar (hense writing guitar and lyrics) in more a metal/harder rock with a small bit of blues and jazz influences, but mostly fast-paced harder rock riffs. Their band's a more southern rock/country style. He's very open to the idea of harder rock influences to give them a different flair, but I don't really want to push it over the top for them either. What are some recommendations for different ways to learn playing the new style quickly while trying to blend the two styles together (which isn't necessarily a popular thing, I know)?[/QUOTE] make sixths your favourite interval like instead of smashing out a big ole dirty barre chord on f you could sometimes do something like slide up to x 10 x 10 x x that shit sounds hella southern rock i reckon
[QUOTE=MilkBagz;46923384]I have a feeling that these music production threads are going to die out, without a subforum for them. Surely nobody will find them under all of the unrelated threads, considering that the Musicians' Gig Room wasn't very active anyway. Despite the dickheads that were oblivious to the rules we were all trying to enforce, Musicians' Gig Room was my favorite shit on Facepunch.[/QUOTE] That's why I thought to bring this thread in, except I didn't realise that creative music in progress would stay unlocked. My idea was basically that because it was such a quiet section, merge every useful thread into a singular thread - off topic discussion, creative music in progress, etc. It might be a bit messier but then it will be active enough to keep going. What do you guys think? [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] Also guys, feel free to make a banner if you're good at that sort of thing. I'm making one now but I'm really bad at it.
New thread, new beginning. I'm a bit sad because I just posted a whole bunch of comments on other ppl's tracks into the old one so I'm just gonna link them here: [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1250398&p=46917995&viewfull=1#post46917995]To chaz13 and ScreamingGerbil[/url]. [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1250398&p=46923317&viewfull=1#post46923317]To Mysterious Mr.E and Rich209[/url]. [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1250398&p=46924327&viewfull=1#post46924327]To Mezzokoko, AshMan and 4yourmalice[/url]
Yeah I think anyone who frequented the previous thread/Musician's Gig Room will definitely find this one and subscribe to it (I know I did..), so the community we had is still there, and instead of an off topic chat thread and a feedback thread, we have this. 80% of me browsing FP is actually going to Control Panel and checking out the threads I subscribed to. I seldom actually browse the forums. I really don't mind the change all that much. Also I'm just gonna put my last post in that sub here because well otherwise it's just gone :v: [QUOTE=Number-41;46917703]As soon as I have some money I have the urge to buy audio gear. My current wishlist :v: [IMG]http://www.thomann.de/thumb/bdbmagic/pics/bdb/341832/8752941_800.jpg[/IMG] Semi-weighted 61-key goodness. It's a necessity because I hate entering things in a piano roll so much I didn't actually create anything in Ableton since my previous Oxygen broke. I'd consider the [URL="http://www.thomann.de/thumb/bdbmagic/pics/bdb/252283/3098458_800.jpg"]Axiom 61[/URL] for the drum pads but it gets expensive and I bet a separate bigger drumpad has more use. [IMG]http://www.thomann.de/thumb/bdbmagic/pics/prod/351510.jpg[/IMG] Looks very sexy and has good reviews, the cheaper ones all had stuff with hisses and whatnot. At least it's an upgrade from [URL="https://images4.static-thomann.de/pics/prod/205235.jpg"]the T-Bone[/URL], which absolutely horrible. The little knob falls off very easily (they even provided an extra one because they are aware of it :v:) and the noise, oh god the noise. I guess I'm turning into an M-Audio fanboy, but rightly so because they seem to make decent hardware. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] And in a distant future where I actually have a decent job [IMG_thumb]http://www.yanagisawasaxophones.com/images/products/zoom/S-901.jpg[/IMG_thumb][/QUOTE]
also a track (first one of the thread??): [media]http://soundcloud.com/shpe/vault[/media]
It's a bit odd the thread has moved but I'm certainly going to try to keep it alive. Thank for the feedback CLung <3
I figure the thread might get more active this way. I like it anyway! If you guys have any suggestions let me know. Before the section got deleted people were complaining about how dead it was anyway. Maybe this is our chance to get it way more active. [QUOTE=CLungcancer;46925397]also a track (first one of the thread??): [media]http://soundcloud.com/shpe/vault[/media][/QUOTE] Trippy but unless it's my laptop I feel like it needs a bit more bass. [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] I haven't actually made some music in a while either, maybe this will motivate me [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] I haven't actually made some music in a while either, maybe this will motivate me
Also today I learned there's an [url=https://www.izotope.com/en/products/effects-instruments/iris/]Iris 2[/url]. I tried the first one out as a demo and absolutely loved it, one of the cooler plugins I've seen
Izotope have some good plugins, I love their vinyl emulation plugin
[QUOTE=CLungcancer;46925397]also a track (first one of the thread??): [media]http://soundcloud.com/shpe/vault[/media][/QUOTE] love that modulating synth playing all the weird chords. Regarding Teacup's comment, I personally think there's enough bass. I'm using Sennheiser HD 598s. Also, this is easily one of your more accessible songs, which is interesting. I would like to hear more of this style in later works! - - - - - - - So, I posted this in the last thread, but it didn't really get much notice. Could I get some feedback on this? [media]http://soundcloud.com/weeperscurtain/the-moon-is-a-dirty-drumhead[/media]
Fade in at the beginning with the water. It starts too sudden. Sounds nice otherwise. Piano sounds like one of those shit church pianos that no one has touched in forever. Would be nice if you had a better piano sound or maybe even experiment with an octave up in the range. Hell, both octaves at the same time can produce a great effect. Drums are a bit unbalanced.. How did you record them? Imagine your audio as real estate. Only drums for now: Kick drum is HUGE. Way too loud imo. Snare is next. The cymbals, hat, and toms are barely noticeable. Fix the loudness of the kick and the rest may just fall into place. Also, if you have one mic above the snare and one below it, flip the polarity on one of them. You can get a crisper sound with that. Snare sounds far off and way too verby as well. Vocals should be sitting ontop of everything else. Right now it sounds like it is lost inside everything. Also, this is one of those songs where you can experiment with different vocal effects. Play around and see if you can create an atmospheric sound to blend with the natural sounds of the outdoors. Also, I can't understand what you(r vocalist) are saying. It's a great sounding piece, however it need some serious mixing work. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=CLungcancer;46925397]also a track (first one of the thread??): [media]http://soundcloud.com/shpe/vault[/media][/QUOTE] Good ideas. Very repetitive though, and that honky tonk thing that's atonal and VERY off the beat kind of ruins this piece for me imo. Remove that and find a way to split things up so it's not the same idea for a minute and 40 seconds. Also, a tad more bass never hurt anyone.
[QUOTE=CLungcancer;46925397]also a track (first one of the thread??): [media]http://soundcloud.com/shpe/vault[/media][/QUOTE] fucking trippy notes, very confusing, but it's got the beats for sure very unique, kudos [QUOTE=Eyefunk;46926572] So, I posted this in the last thread, but it didn't really get much notice. Could I get some feedback on this? [media]http://soundcloud.com/prosper-blue/the-moon-is-a-dirty-drumhead[/media][/QUOTE] i agree with everything redbadger said, also this is a very relaxing piece i dig it majorly, i'd love to hear a longer version if there's one in the works and my contro [media]http://soundcloud.com/sharkalarm/egodeath-f[/media]
inebriaticxp Overall your mixing is pretty good. I mentioned to Eyefunk to look at your music like real estate. Listening back, where does the vocalist sound within the mix? I don't know about you, but to me she sounds like she's back stage warming up while the band is performing the song! She sounds like a very talented singer, I just wish I could hear her better! Where your vocalists exits and the guitar loop comes back in, it wouldn't hurt to change things up, maybe throw in a simple albeit melodic solo instead of looping the same bar over and over. The guitar sounds nice, exploit that. Also, it doesn't sound like your vocalist is using a very good microphone. That may be contributing to some of the problems. Overall though I love the piece. It's got a nice modern pop feel, though it brings a new flavor in the mix. Wish I could hear the singer better though!
Guys where would you go to learn how to use a DAW like FL studio or Cubase, etc. if you already have plently of knowledge of music theory? I've always wanted to try producing electronic music. But I always get sort of overwhelmed when I try using a DAW, and I have trouble doing the most simple things. In my free time I play marimba, xylophones, and vibraphones in a percussion band with about 12 people, so I know how to put the different sounds together when it's physical, but not inside a computer. :v:
[QUOTE=Xyrec;46927038]Guys where would you go to learn how to use a DAW like FL studio or Cubase, etc. if you already have plently of knowledge of music theory? I've always wanted to try producing electronic music. But I always get sort of overwhelmed when I try using a DAW, and I have trouble doing the most simple things. In my free time I play marimba, xylophones, and vibraphones in a percussion band with about 12 people, so I know how to put the different sounds together when it's physical, but not inside a computer. :v:[/QUOTE] Most DAWS are very similar fundamentally, except for FL studio and Reason which function slightly differently when it comes to arrangement, but mostly similar. The main difference with Reason, for example, is that it comes with its own rack of soft synths but uses a different plugin format instead of VST. I recommend Reaper. As for the fundamentals of sound design, I recommend [url]http://www.tweakheadz.com/[/url], along the line of the perfect mix. Google is your friend in this case. Its much more important to know for example, how to use an EQ and how it works than how to use a DAW.
Anyone here tinker around with PureData, maxMSP or the like? Would be nice to chat audio programming.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;46927193]Most DAWS are very similar fundamentally, except for FL studio and Reason which function slightly differently when it comes to arrangement, but mostly similar. The main difference with Reason, for example, is that it comes with its own rack of soft synths but uses a different plugin format instead of VST. I recommend Reaper. As for the fundamentals of sound design, I recommend [url]http://www.tweakheadz.com/[/url], along the line of the perfect mix. Google is your friend in this case. Its much more important to know for example, how to use an EQ and how it works than how to use a DAW.[/QUOTE] Thanks for linking that site, it looks super helpful, I'll definitely keep it in mind. Also I forgot to mention I have done some EQing before. Whenever the band I play in is playing out live, we sometimes have to use microphones for the different instruments, and they have to be adjusted almost every time we play in a new environment, whether it be in a concert hall or outside in the open. So, I'm basically looking for like a handbook on all the functions and features of the different DAWs. [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] Oh shit never mind, I just found out FL studio has a huge manual built-in that explains how everything in the program works. :v: [img_thumb]http://puu.sh/euFJH/43edbb6238.png[/img_thumb]
I wouldn't stick with FL too long.
Just wondering, are classical composers allowed here? As in... I compose orchestral music. No lyrics, drumsets, guitars, usually not piano... :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=brooklynlord;46928468]Just wondering, are classical composers allowed here? As in... I compose orchestral music. No lyrics, drumsets, guitars, usually not piano... :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] Yes please! Do share if you have anything. I love composing orchestra, though I haven't in awhile.
[QUOTE=redBadger;46928517]Yes please! Do share if you have anything. I love composing orchestra, though I haven't in awhile.[/QUOTE] Well, I actually haven't finished anything. I did a 1min 5s short composition for a little contest on a website, and I'm currently working to expand that into my first completed full orchestral composition. Besides, I'm supposed to give others feedback before I post :v: And I'm using Sibelius. Which means hand-orchestrate all the instruments and everything, dynamics, articulations, etc. Who knows, maybe I can get a real version of sibelius and hopefully EWQLSO gold. But perhaps I'm an optimist.
[QUOTE=brooklynlord;46928468]Just wondering, are classical composers allowed here? As in... I compose orchestral music. No lyrics, drumsets, guitars, usually not piano... :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] no sorry musician's gig room is restricted to dubstep and powerviolence only no other genres are allowed ever
[QUOTE=Xyrec;46927747]Thanks for linking that site, it looks super helpful, I'll definitely keep it in mind. Also I forgot to mention I have done some EQing before. Whenever the band I play in is playing out live, we sometimes have to use microphones for the different instruments, and they have to be adjusted almost every time we play in a new environment, whether it be in a concert hall or outside in the open. So, I'm basically looking for like a handbook on all the functions and features of the different DAWs. [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] Oh shit never mind, I just found out FL studio has a huge manual built-in that explains how everything in the program works. :v: [img_thumb]http://puu.sh/euFJH/43edbb6238.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] If you're used to working in FL studio, don't stick with it. FL is good for electronic music production but in as far as actual DAW work goes its quite different to most DAWs and still pretty niche. For live stuff it is not as good as traditional DAWs by far. You can pick up Reaper for $40 and I couldn't recommend it enough. I've used Pro Tools, Logic, FL, Reason and Cubase and when I found out about Reaper I was a bit sceptical - but its just as good quality for about $1000 less to get a legal copy. As for the functions and features of different DAWs they're basically all very basic when you get down the nuts and bolts. Proper compression and EQ is much more important. With DAWs if you can layer tracks and automate them you're pretty much 80% of the way of knowing all you need to know to record great music on your DAW For DAW specific stuff maybe give this a try - [url]http://music.tutsplus.com/[/url] I find it has a few good things in it. [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=brooklynlord;46928468]Just wondering, are classical composers allowed here? As in... I compose orchestral music. No lyrics, drumsets, guitars, usually not piano... :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] Yes, we have Rich209 who does quite a lot of classical and posts it here. Personally I really enjoy it please post it
[QUOTE=redBadger;46928153]I wouldn't stick with FL too long.[/QUOTE]Why not? It's a perfectly good DAW and it just keeps getting better and better. Well except for the rendering problems I get with some NI plugins but I'm not sure if they're still present in FL 12 beta [editline]14th January 2015[/editline] And those are quickly fixed by bouncing stuff to .wav so it's not a big problem
iirc fl is only good if you make music with lots of repetition because of the way its used
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