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  • [QUOTE=ROBO_DONUT;35784876]Do people actually use UML? I only encountered it in one software engineering course I took, but it seemed convoluted, pointless, stupid, etc.. I'd have to break out a thesaurus to list all the negative qualifiers that I'd apply.[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't like designing in UML either. Especially when you going solo its not even needed. Since everything is in your mind and designing in there already. But in projects with multiple team members they may use it if they want to go fully planned. Also code > uml conversion and showing the relations between classes could make new members to team can easily understand structure of software. Or you can see the class diagram for new projects you just got from github. Quick overlook to structure of software can make you adapt faster I think. Otherwise I am agreeing with you :v:
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  • I still haven't got any information for the "we know how badly most editors are designed" statement. I'd like to know the pitfalls and whatnot that this editor is avoiding.
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  • [QUOTE=CountNoobula;35785109]Shell support will be implemented. This applies here.[/QUOTE] I like the overall design, it's very nice. I just don't think that slightly transparent is good default, nor a good first impression.
  • Avatar of CountNoobula
  • [QUOTE=ROBO_DONUT;35785136]I'd like to know who these 'some' are, because they are clearly mad.[/QUOTE] Take a look at those who like the FB page for instance. [QUOTE=Jookia;35785163]I still haven't got any information for the "we know how badly most editors are designed" statement. I'd like to know the pitfalls and whatnot that this editor is avoiding.[/QUOTE] As I said we are compiling a list for you :) I am getting the whole team involved on that question. [QUOTE=danharibo;35785169]I like the overall design, it's very nice. I just don't think that slightly transparent is good default, nor a good first impression.[/QUOTE] I see, thanks for making it a little more clear. I'll bring it up at next meeting.
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  • I also like the design allot, even if its that standard look you get with futuristic games I like it. The only thing bothering me is that I could see my desktop but I already read that you could change that so keep up the good work :)
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  • [QUOTE=CountNoobula;35785191]As I said we are compiling a list for you :) I am getting the whole team involved on that question[/QUOTE] That's awesome, but that begs the question: Did you just write that without anything in mind? You have literally no examples off the top of your head?
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  • [QUOTE=burak575;35784650]I just have another idea. Which is mini map. Which is like in RTS games. You will show the UML diagrams in minimap like enemy bases. When you done implementing it will turn yellow, and when testing is done it will turn green.[/QUOTE] What happens when you're doing TDD and you write your tests first?
  • Avatar of CountNoobula
  • [QUOTE=Jookia;35785211]That's awesome, but that begs the question: Did you just write that without anything in mind? You have literally no examples off the top of your head?[/QUOTE] All statements are first reviewed by the team. We always back our statements, but like to compile a full list first. You can find a similar example of this on the Facebook timeline update where we argued the reasons why timeline was good and got several to conclude that timeline was infact a good change. Although that is a story for another day, you can go check the fb archives for that. Give time.
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  • I'm gonna be brutally honest, the "coders" on your Facebook page appear to be very casual programmers more intrigued by the "cool" look of their IDE than their actual code. Here in the Facepunch Programming section, we're all real coders. We don't care about "fuck yeah, 3D hardware acceleration" in our IDE's. We care about ease of use, ease on the eyes, strong integration with standard technology, etc. [editline]1st May 2012[/editline] Basically, don't be so surprised that everyone on FP is telling you "the UI is horrible" just because your friends on FB are telling you "keep up the good work, Timmy!"
  • Avatar of Jookia
  • [QUOTE=CountNoobula;35785252]All statements are first reviewed by the team. We always back our statements, but like to compile a full list first. You can find a similar example of this on the Facebook timeline update where we argued the reasons why timeline was good and got several to conclude that timeline was infact a good change. Although that is a story for another day, you can go check the fb archives for that. Give time.[/QUOTE] Can I have some kind of backing for that statement then? One example? Having people conclude something means you've changed their opinion, this is objective fact we're talking about. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=icantread49;35785264]I'm gonna be brutally honest, the "coders" on your Facebook page appear to be very casual programmers more intrigued by the "cool" look of their IDE than their actual code. Here in the Facepunch Programming section, we're all real coders. We don't care about "fuck yeah, 3D hardware acceleration" in our IDE's. We care about ease of use, ease on the eyes, strong integration with standard technology, etc. [editline]1st May 2012[/editline] Basically, don't be so surprised that everyone on FP is telling you "the UI is horrible" just because your friends on FB are telling you "keep up the good work, Timmy!"[/QUOTE] Dude you make physics toys.
  • Avatar of esalaka
  • [QUOTE=icantread49;35785264]Here in the Facepunch Programming section, we're all real coders. We don't care about "fuck yeah, 3D hardware acceleration" in our IDE's. We care about ease of use, ease on the eyes, strong integration with standard technology, etc.[/QUOTE] Pfffffft, yeah, as if :v:
  • Avatar of icantread49
  • [QUOTE=Jookia;35785301] Dude you make physics toys.[/QUOTE] And you spend months upon months trying to get Unicode to work in C++
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  • [QUOTE=icantread49;35785360]And you spend months upon months trying to get Unicode to work in C++[/QUOTE] I succeeded. Months upon months ago.
  • Avatar of ryandaniels
  • Why is this rapidly escalating into a heated debate? It appears that 95% of the criticism is entirely motivated by the fact that the IDE is shiny and transparent. If it was instead opaque and had a black-on-white color scheme, people wouldn't be flipping out. I can understand being skeptical of something that looks so flashy, but this fear has already been posted a hundred times now. The point has been made. Seriously, whenever someone shows the slightest ambition around here, people start obsessively trying to probe the creator for some fatal flaw that proves he's "not a real programmer". And if they do, then it just turns into an all out lynching where people hurl insults and queries until the person says something stupid, which spurs the crowd on.
  • [QUOTE=icantread49;35785264]Here in the Facepunch Programming section, we're all real coders.[/QUOTE] Aren't you in like high school or something?
  • Avatar of CountNoobula
  • [QUOTE=icantread49;35785264]I'm gonna be brutally honest, the "coders" on your Facebook page appear to be very casual programmers more intrigued by the "cool" look of their IDE than their actual code. Here in the Facepunch Programming section, we're all real coders. We don't care about "fuck yeah, 3D hardware acceleration" in our IDE's. We care about ease of use, ease on the eyes, strong integration with standard technology, etc. [editline]1st May 2012[/editline] Basically, don't be so surprised that everyone on FP is telling you "the UI is horrible" just because your friends on FB are telling you "keep up the good work, Timmy!"[/QUOTE] Firstly, Timmy? LOL. Ok, now that I got that out of my system. Although some of them are casuals, most of them I do not even know. Our system integrates with standard technology and can be adjusted to be easy on the eye. Ease of use you can decide for yourself when a download link becomes available. [QUOTE=Jookia;35785301]Can I have some kind of backing for that statement then? One example? Having people conclude something means you've changed their opinion, this is objective fact we're talking about. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] Dude you make physics toys.[/QUOTE] We release no posts without a full admin backing and we are sticking by our word of first compiling a list for you.
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  • I'm just saying, my IDE uses tools that were openly available in the 80s. I don't see what there is to fix, and I kind of want to find out what's wrong with previous IDEs. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=CountNoobula;35785460]We release no posts without a full admin backing and we are sticking by our word of first compiling a list for you.[/QUOTE] Holy shit you must have some serious shit on all those IDEs. Either that or you take yourself way too seriously.
  • Avatar of icantread49
  • [QUOTE=ROBO_DONUT;35785447]Aren't you in like high school or something?[/QUOTE] Your point?
  • Avatar of voodooattack
  • Easy guys, keep the arguments for WAYWO. [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/heart.png[/IMG]
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  • [QUOTE=voodooattack;35785599]Easy guys, keep the arguments for WAYWO. [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/heart.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Must.. wait.. for.. WAYWO! :v:
  • Avatar of Gmod4ever
  • [QUOTE=ryandaniels;35785438]Why is this rapidly escalating into a heated debate? It appears that 95% of the criticism is entirely motivated by the fact that the IDE is shiny and transparent. If it was instead opaque and had a black-on-white color scheme, people wouldn't be flipping out. I can understand being skeptical of something that looks so flashy, but this fear has already been posted a hundred times now. The point has been made. Seriously, whenever someone shows the slightest ambition around here, people start obsessively trying to probe the creator for some fatal flaw that proves he's "not a real programmer". And if they do, then it just turns into an all out lynching where people hurl insults and queries until the person says something stupid, which spurs the crowd on.[/QUOTE] You must be new here. I've been to this subforum a total of four or five times, and even I have already determined that a good majority of the posters here are egocentric assholes who spend more time arguing with other people about how they aren't "real programmers" than they do actually programming. Which is why I generally don't post here.
  • Avatar of neos300
  • Not every real programmer uses Vi keys. Some real programmers like this kind of color scheme. Just because you like things the way there are doesn't mean there aren't real programmers out there who want to see something new.
  • [QUOTE=Gmod4ever;35786007]You must be new here. I've been to this subforum a total of four or five times, and even I have already determined that a good majority of the posters here are egocentric assholes who spend more time arguing with other people about how they aren't "real programmers" than they do actually programming. Which is why I generally don't post here.[/QUOTE] Meh, I prefer 'stubborn' and 'brutally honest', but potato, potato. To be clear, I'd be for a reinstatement of the autoban for the phrase 'real programmers'. It's a good cue to skip reading a post.
  • Avatar of CountNoobula
  • Could we avoid derailing this and save these types of arguments for either WAYWO or Mass Debate section please?
  • Avatar of Jookia
  • So, how's that list coming along? Can't you just decide on one bad design decision that most others editors have, but yours doesn't? Either that or change the statement to reflect something you can back up. Because it's just not cool to do unfounded bashing.
  • Avatar of esalaka
  • [QUOTE=CountNoobula;35786210]Could we avoid derailing this and save these types of arguments for either WAYWO or Mass Debate section please?[/QUOTE] WAYWO could be a subsecton of Mass Debate
  • Avatar of swift and shift
  • [QUOTE=CountNoobula;35783541]Yes, infact, that is where our motivation for this IDE came from. It would have allowed groups of us to collaborate on our sections of the project to build into something much bigger, and instead of having to go over to their desk, we could simply display the src and get their input and assistance through the IDE. [/QUOTE] dude do you collaborate over windows file sharing or something
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  • Well I like it, and will use it when I need something thats in between gedit/notepad++ and a full specific IDE like codeblocks.