• Kindle like screen for coding?
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  • Avatar of -Kesil-
  • So you know how kindle screens are all nice and easy to read? I was wondering if there was a monitor like that. So that I could write my code while viewing only those little microcapsules. I've never used a kindle though. From what I've read it takes a moment to update a new page. That might interfere with me needing to write lines and lines of code. If this exist. I'm buying one. If not, well... I think it's a good idea for people who code a lot. Ofcoourse ... special software and hardware would be needed to use such a screen. The graphic hardware now doesn't actually suppoer binary pixels. The quickest short cut I imagine would be an extra monitor that works with a limited amount of programs. Or maybe a middle man program to interpret the display of programs like notepad (or something easy to convert to binary (black and white pixels))
  • Avatar of benjojo
  • How is this programming? [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE]The graphic hardware now doesn't actually suppoer binary pixels. [/QUOTE] what.
  • [QUOTE=benjojo;34747606]How is this programming? [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] what.[/QUOTE] The question makes sense... sorta. Basically he is asking if there is a e-ink display for the PC, that he could view source code on. To be honest this would be kinda nice, as I spend a LOT of time staring at code and having a kindle like display showing my code would actually be really easy on my eyes. Frankly I think [URL="http://superuser.com/questions/188812/e-ink-screens-for-desktop-pc"]this is exactly what he is asking[/URL], granted, in slightly ( ok... a lot ) more legible English. To directly answer the question, no, I don't believe there is, at least not mass market. You have me interested though, so now Im putting my Google-fu to work. I think its the nature of how PC display drivers work and the standard refresh rates just arent compatible with e-ink, which basically is piss poor at updating.
  • [QUOTE=-Kesil-;34751017]I wasn't sure if I should mark that friendly or mark it with "agree"[/QUOTE] alright
  • Avatar of HiredK
  • [QUOTE=-Kesil-;34747367]...to convert to binary (black and white pixels))...[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp[/URL] This will make your graphic hardware support binary black and white pixels :v:
  • Avatar of robmaister12
  • I don't know how far e-ink has come in the past few years, so it might not be significant, but wouldn't the entire screen have to clear and redraw (taking a good 0.5 seconds) every time the cursor flickered/you typed anything/scrolled? The near constant clearing/redrawing is probably going to be worse on the eyes than a standard LCD monitor. Honestly, getting a theme for your IDE/text editor that's designed to be easier on the eyes will be better and cheaper than anything that's currently available on the market or will be available on the market for several years (save for some breakthrough in e-ink technology). Here are some of the best ones in my opinion: [url=http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized]Solarized[/url] [url=http://www.eclipsecolorthemes.org/?view=theme&id=21]Obsidian[/url] [url=http://slinky.imukuppi.org/zenburn/]Zenburn[/url]
  • Avatar of Dienes
  • [QUOTE=robmaister12;34753428]I don't know how far e-ink has come in the past few years, so it might not be significant, but wouldn't the entire screen have to clear and redraw (taking a good 0.5 seconds) every time the cursor flickered/you typed anything/scrolled? The near constant clearing/redrawing is probably going to be worse on the eyes than a standard LCD monitor.[/QUOTE] It is possible to only update the "pixels" that are changing, although this often leads to slight ghosting. The Kindle does a full blackout/flash when turning pages to omit such ghosting. But the Kindle also has an integrated web browser, so in general it should be possible, but still sluggish. Edit: Just checked how my Kindle renders a web page and it seems to whenever a sub-region of the page needs to refresh/update, it turns just this region full black, then full white and then populating it with the new content. Wouldn't want that for coding.
  • Avatar of BlkDucky
  • [QUOTE=robmaister12;34753428][B]I don't know how far e-ink has come in the past few years, so it might not be significant, but wouldn't the entire screen have to clear and redraw (taking a good 0.5 seconds) every time the cursor flickered/you typed anything/scrolled? The near constant clearing/redrawing is probably going to be worse on the eyes than a standard LCD monitor. [/B] Honestly, getting a theme for your IDE/text editor that's designed to be easier on the eyes will be better and cheaper than anything that's currently available on the market or will be available on the market for several years (save for some breakthrough in e-ink technology). Here are some of the best ones in my opinion: [url=http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized]Solarized[/url] [url=http://www.eclipsecolorthemes.org/?view=theme&id=21]Obsidian[/url] [url=http://slinky.imukuppi.org/zenburn/]Zenburn[/url][/QUOTE] Yes. This would never, ever work. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] unless we suddenly somehow speed up the refresh rates massively.
  • [QUOTE=BlkDucky;34756025]Yes. This would never, ever work. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] unless we suddenly somehow speed up the refresh rates massively.[/QUOTE] How sure are you? 0.5 sec sounds pretty fast. Scrolling might look a bit stiff but I don't know how big of a problem that would be.
  • Avatar of BlkDucky
  • 0.5 seconds for every refresh isn't nearly fast enough. Your monitor (probably) refreshes 60 times a second.
  • [QUOTE=BlkDucky;34758446]0.5 seconds for every refresh isn't nearly fast enough. Your monitor (probably) refreshes 60 times a second.[/QUOTE] The question is, does it show something different more than two times in those 60 refreshes? You're not playing a game, you're looking at text.
  • Avatar of BlkDucky
  • And even looking at a kindle, just reading a book or scrolling through menus the 0.5 seconds gets rather irritating.
  • Avatar of -Kesil-
  • [QUOTE=Val67;34752229]Scrolling would be really slow[/QUOTE] it probably wouldn't be scrolling. you'd probably navigate through viewing different chunks
  • Avatar of robmaister12
  • [QUOTE=-Kesil-;34758710]it probably wouldn't be scrolling. you'd probably navigate through viewing different chunks[/QUOTE] Assuming you're typing at a decent rate, the screen would be refreshing as fast as it could, you would be viewing split seconds of code between flashes of black and white and there would be massive input delay. e-ink is fine for reading because a refresh only needs to happen on a new page. When you introduce the ability to type, you're refreshing with each character typed. If you want the display to be considered responsive, you'll have to be able to keep up with people who type at 100+wpm. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] Again, it might be possible in a while if there's some breakthrough and we can get e-ink to refresh much quicker, but with what we have currently it's probably going to be more annoying than helpful.
  • Avatar of quincy18
  • Euh, [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=24srQXX81Oc[/url] ?
  • Avatar of Murkrow
  • It'll be a lot faster and less expensive if you just set up your monitor properly according to your lighting conditions. Just lowering brightness a bit may end up greatly relieving eye strain. Not exactly the perfection you're looking for, but like I said, a lot less expensive.
  • Avatar of PvtCupcakes
  • I wouldn't give up my syntax highlighting for e-ink. Code usually isn't as dense as text in a novel or magazine, so it's not that hard to read on an LCD.
  • Avatar of BlkDucky
  • [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34828193]I wouldn't give up my syntax highlighting for e-ink. Code usually isn't as dense as text in a novel or magazine, so it's not that hard to read on an LCD.[/QUOTE] You realise that colour e-ink is a thing, right? You don't have to give up syntax highlighting.
  • Avatar of marcin1337
  • I don't know, I've been using a computer for so long that my eyes are used to LCDs glare and I rarely have eye-strain
  • Avatar of Downsider
  • [QUOTE=BlkDucky;34756025]Yes. This would never, ever work. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] unless we suddenly somehow speed up the refresh rates massively.[/QUOTE] They demo the tech for 30 - 60 FPS e-ink displays at trade shows all the time. It's just a matter of making it cost effective and mass produced at this point, which isn't too out of the question. It'll probably be reasonable within a few years.