• Gallop poll: 32% of Americans are non-religious.
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[QUOTE=Falchion;35398440]Too bad you've got some new crusades already going anyways, and this time religion just helped.[/QUOTE] people will always find something to fight about I think religion is a stupid basis for conflict though. It's easier to hate than it is to tolerate I guess [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;35398463]Old testament rules don't apply to Christians as was decided by the first century apostles in the new testament.[/QUOTE] yeah I know it was the only example I could think of because I don't want to go skim the New Testament for various scriptures I'm sure people dismiss to this date
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35398465]It's easier to hate than it is to tolerate I guess[/QUOTE] Wise words. I respect other peoples right to believe what they will. I do not respect people (Atheist or Religious) who seek to influence and change other peoples minds. It is not your place to tell that person they are right or wrong.
[QUOTE=Mythman;35398504]Wise words. I respect other peoples right to believe what they will. I do not respect people (Atheist or Religious) who seek to influence and change other peoples minds. It is not your place to tell that person they are right or wrong.[/QUOTE] This has always been my stance I reserve every right to think someone's beliefs are stupid but I'm not going out of my way to change their thinking, that is a right I don't have
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35398107]Right because decorating the most respected person of the Catholic church is clearly because they're all money-grubbing assholes. Okay. Right. Sure. Mmhmm.[/QUOTE] then what is it. It's non-conform to their fundamental doctrines. you tell me what it is. [QUOTE=Meller Yeller;35398177]Even if your beliefs are different, you seem just as hateful as the extremist religious people and you're acting like you're just "above" these people. You're the type of person who hurts your own cause by making athiests look like as much of a hate-filled group as the ones you describe.[/QUOTE] Oh blame me for not sucking the churches dick after millennia of well documented misery because of it. Whoop the fucking doo.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35398532]This has always been my stance I reserve every right to think someone's beliefs are stupid but I'm not going out of my way to change their thinking, that is a right I don't have[/QUOTE] What if their belief was that there was a demon in their child, and the only way to rid of it was to slice the childs neck? What if their belief was that witches really do exist, and without due course burn suspected witches. I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. My motto 'I respect your right to believe anything you choose; But don't expect me to respect everything you choose to believe' If someones belief is bringing suffering upon one person, or a group. You have to bring attention to that belief, you can't just stand there and watch what would otherwise be criminal get shrugged off as: "That person has a sincerely held religious conviction that what they are doing is the will of their almighty".
[QUOTE=Isuzu;35398594]then what is it. It's non-conform to their fundamental doctrines. you tell me what it is. Oh blame me for not sucking the churches dick after millennia of well documented misery because of it. Whoop the fucking doo.[/QUOTE] Since it's too hard for you to do your own research [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_regalia_and_insignia[/url]
[QUOTE=Bradyns;35398623]What if their belief was that there was a demon in their child, and the only way to rid of it was to slice the childs neck? What if their belief was that witches really do exist, and without due course burn suspected witches. I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. My motto 'I respect your right to believe anything you choose; But don't expect me to respect everything you choose to believe' If someones belief is bringing suffering upon one person, or a group. You have to bring attention to that belief, you can't just stand there and watch what would otherwise be criminal get shrugged off as: "That person has a sincerely held religious conviction that what they are doing is the will of their almighty".[/QUOTE] That's not much of a belief as it is a mental illness. ok just ignore automerge whatever
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35398463]Old testament rules don't apply to Christians as was decided by the first century apostles in the new testament.[/QUOTE] Nope, Matthew 5:17. [editline];[/editline] And that excuse can't be used to claim the bible's stance on homosexuality doesn't apply, because... well, yknow, [I]Romans[/I].
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35398632]That's not much of a belief as it is a mental illness. ok just ignore automerge whatever[/QUOTE] what about someone who thinks that vaccines are bad what about someone who thinks all modern medicine is bad where is the line drawn, exactly
[QUOTE=Bradyns;35398623]What if their belief was that there was a demon in their child, and the only way to rid of it was to slice the childs neck? What if their belief was that witches really do exist, and without due course burn suspected witches. I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. My motto 'I respect your right to believe anything you choose; But don't expect me to respect everything you choose to believe' If someones belief is bringing suffering upon one person, or a group. You have to bring attention to that belief, you can't just stand there and watch what would otherwise be criminal get shrugged off as: "That person has a sincerely held religious conviction that what they are doing is the will of their almighty".[/QUOTE] There is a difference between respecting peoples views and allowing murder. People are allowed to find furries sexually attractive, think fairies exist, Obama is a Kenyan so long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. That means they cannot go around killing 'witches' nor can they brainwash someone into thinking a certain way.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;35398638]Nope, Matthew 5:17.[/QUOTE] To be fair I did a bit of research and in the new testament they say "all food is clean" Whether or not certain meats are considered "food" is different but I didn't see anything directly saying you can't eat something because of its origin.
They are one, and the same. If hating on a particular group (gays), is considered a mental illness, then most of the world is suffering. You can't call extreme acts a mental illness, when socially accepted conventions of hate are still adapted and enforced, without question aren't considered the same (It's a double standard). It's despicable. Moderates allow for fundamentalists to have an excuse, and that is exemplified with your post: [QUOTE=Protocol7;35398632]That's not much of a belief as it is a mental illness. ok just ignore automerge whatever[/QUOTE] All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35398650]what about someone who thinks that vaccines are bad what about someone who thinks all modern medicine is bad where is the line drawn, exactly[/QUOTE] Technology is a bit of a touchy subject I don't see how my statement is relevant because people are nitpicking some holes that I didn't clearly define however
Hope it gets higher. Religion is a fucking disease.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35398624]Since it's too hard for you to do your own research [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_regalia_and_insignia[/url][/QUOTE] Linking some wikipedia article on the subject that tells me nothing about why one person is exempt from the fundamental teachings of the only prophet this particluar religion ever had. Wow dude thats some research when's your phd due?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;35398668] If hating on a particular group (gays), is considered a mental illness, [B]then most of the world is suffering.[/B] [/QUOTE] First, address my post. Secondly, why the gay bashing?
[QUOTE=Mythman;35398693]First, address my post. Secondly, why the gay bashing?[/QUOTE] I'm bashing those that thinks homosexuality is an abhorrent sin. Most of the world is suffering from the same mental illness as those who burn witches, by their unreasonable tentative beliefs of old, in light of a nice document called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;35398691]Linking some wikipedia article on the subject that tells me nothing about why one person is exempt from the fundamental teachings of the only prophet this particluar religion ever had. Wow dude thats some research when's your phd due?[/QUOTE] Are you trying to be stupid or trolling...? The papal regalia isn't a symbol of wealth, it's a symbol of a myriad of other things (notably sovereignty of the Vatican). [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bradyns;35398712]I'm bashing those that thinks homosexuality is an abhorrent sin. Most of the world is suffering from the same mental illness as those who burn witches, by their unreasonable tentative beliefs of old, in light of a nice document called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.[/QUOTE] And that's why religion is a problem. It's easier to hate than it is to tolerate.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;35398712]I'm bashing those that thinks homosexuality is an abhorrent sin. Most of the world is suffering from the same mental illness as those who burn witches, by their unreasonable tentative beliefs of old, in light of a nice document called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.[/QUOTE] I don't understand how that was anti gay bashing but whatever. It is not people's beliefs that cause them to commit murder. The only person responsible for murder is the person who commits it. You cannot blame someone's beliefs for the actions they commit.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35398721]Are you trying to be stupid or trolling...? The papal regalia isn't a symbol of wealth, it's a symbol of a myriad of other things (notably sovereignty of the Vatican).[/QUOTE] Ah, so all the gold, jewellery and pompous residences aren't symbols of wealth because "the Vatican said so". 'Kay.
"You cannot blame someone's beliefs for the actions they commit." I call troll. You can't seriously be that naive.
[QUOTE=Mythman;35398738]You cannot blame someone's beliefs for the actions they commit.[/QUOTE] To an extent. If someone truly believes gays are evil, then they have a motive to commit a crime. Yes, the person is responsible, but you need to address the source of the problem. [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Isuzu;35398750]Ah, so all the gold, jewellery and pompous residences aren't symbols of wealth because "the Vatican said so". 'Kay.[/QUOTE] On the same token just because you believe they are symbols of wealth doesn't mean they are.
[QUOTE=Mythman;35398738] You cannot blame someone's beliefs for the actions they commit.[/QUOTE] This is true in that case. The woman was insane. I don't think her insanity stems from her religiousness. Everyone has a chance of going insane due to a bad childhood, genetic reasons, sickness or anything.
Man Facepunch can be more bigoted than most of the people they say are bigoted sometimes. I'm not religious but my family is religious and they're one of the most progressive bunch of people I know, supporting gay rights, democrats and all that (including my grandparents). My grandma even said to me "Maybe there isn't a god but it helps me sleep a little easier at night.". Facepunch needs to get the fuck off it's high horse and stop judging people purely on their religion.
[QUOTE=Keegs;35398793]Man Facepunch can be more bigoted than most of the people they say are bigoted sometimes. I'm not religious but my family is religious and they're one of the most progressive bunch of people I know, supporting gay rights, democrats and all that (including my grandparents). My grandma even said to me "Maybe there isn't a god but it helps me sleep a little easier at night.". Facepunch needs to get the fuck off it's high horse and stop judging people purely on their religion.[/QUOTE] Words cannot express how I wish every religious family was like yours
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35398760]On the same token just because you believe they are symbols of wealth doesn't mean they are.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what I believe, Jesus believed they are symbols of wealth.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;35398758]"You cannot blame someone's beliefs for the actions they commit." I call troll. You can't seriously be that naive.[/QUOTE] I would prefer it if you wouldn't insult me - I am neither naive nor a troll. [QUOTE=Protocol7;35398760]To an extent. If someone truly believes gays are evil, then they have a motive to commit a crime. Yes, the person is responsible, but you need to address the source of the problem.[/QUOTE] Obviously I would prefer it if such views did not exist. I will not forcibly seek to remove these views from the world since it is moral imperialism. People are free to think what they like but they are not free to act in a way which infringes on peoples rights. I am free to think 'witches should die' but I am not free to act upon that belief. [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Isuzu;35398809]It doesn't matter what I believe, Jesus believed they are symbols of wealth.[/QUOTE] Where does Jesus say that everything gold is a symbol of wealth?
[QUOTE=Valdor;35395210]Why exactly does it matter what a person believes? I'm an atheist and I don't even see why it matters. Any reason why believing in a religion is such a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Look at all the good it has done, then the bad. It has done far worse than good.
[QUOTE=Mythman;35398812]Obviously I would prefer it if such views did not exist. I will not forcibly seek to remove these views from the world since it is moral imperialism. People are free to think what they like but they are not free to act in a way which infringes on peoples rights. I am free to think 'witches should die' but I am not free to act upon that belief.[/QUOTE] Correct. I don't boil down motives solely to religion, since religion is usually never the cause for extreme actions. With that said, if you look at the current Republican nominees, namely Santorum and see how religion can still reinforce, for example, anti-gay beliefs... I think religion is a prominent issue. [editline]2nd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Isuzu;35398809]It doesn't matter what I believe, Jesus believed they are symbols of wealth.[/QUOTE] As a whole, they might be, but at the very least the papal regalia has some other form of significance.
[QUOTE=Mythman;35398812] Where does Jesus say that everything gold is a symbol of wealth?[/QUOTE] It will be hard for the wealthy man to follow me into heaven. Define wealthy? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm dunno.... Would say having a load of golden objects, jewellery-laden artifacts, finest clothing, pompous buildings, custom-made vehicles, massive cathedrals, finest dinner, 24/7 service, private army, private jet, private fucking [i]city/nation[/i]... oh fuck man you got me its true the pope is poor as fuck.
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