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[quote]Yoav Krief remembers the day he knew it was time to move to Israel: January 9, 2015. It was a Friday. Four Jews had just been killed in the Hyper Cacher, a kosher supermarket in Paris, two days after the Charlie Hebdo attack. One of them was Krief's friend. "I was not good, really not good," Krief says of how he felt at the time. "I talked to my mom, and I said, 'We must go to Israel. We need to go to Israel.'" Krief, a French Jew who had just finished high school, moved to Israel with his family six months later, as part of the largest migration of Jews from Western Europe to Israel since the modern state of Israel was created. [B]Nearly 8,000 French Jews moved to Israel in the year following the Charlie Hebdo attack, according to the Jewish Agency, which handles Jewish immigration, or aliyah, to Israel.[/B] The number of French Jews moving to Israel has doubled -- and doubled again -- in the past five years. [B]In 2013, less than 3,300 French Jews moved to Israel. Only two years earlier, that number stood at 1,900.[/B] [B]Britain has the second-highest Jewish emigration from Western Europe, but the scale is much smaller.[/B] According to the Jewish Agency, 774 British Jews moved to Israel in 2015, less than one-tenth the number of French Jews. [B]But when the European Union studied the prevalence of anti-Semitism in 2013, it found that 74% of Jews in France avoid openly identifying themselves as Jewish at least some of the time, and more than a quarter of French Jews always do. [/B] Dov Cohen, a French Jew who left Marseille for Ashdod last summer, says he never wore his religious skullcap, or kippa, in public. "You have to watch out," Cohen says about his life in France. "You have to protect the children because of fights in the metro and on the buses. This pushed us to decide to make aliyah," he says. "Here there is a feeling of security that no longer exists in France. Twenty years ago, maybe yes. But since the year 2000, there no longer is that feeling of security in France."[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/22/middleeast/france-israel-jews-immigration/index.html[/url]
This planet is falling apart.
Maybe we'll have a second golden age of jewish comedy writing
No shit. It's not a coincidence that the attack following Charlie Hebdo was on a kosher supermarket or that the concert hall where ISIS attacked was affiliated with Zionists. Many refugees don't like Jews or Israel thanks to the Arab media and what their governments tell them. When the refugees move and see Jews, they want to push them out.
[QUOTE=Singo;49597076]This planet is falling apart.[/QUOTE] Oh calm down
[QUOTE=Singo;49597076]This planet is falling apart.[/QUOTE] not til trump is elected
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49597097]No shit. It's not a coincidence that the attack following Charlie Hebdo was on a kosher supermarket or that the concert hall where ISIS attacked was affiliated with Zionists. Many refugees don't like Jews or Israel thanks to the Arab media and what their governments tell them. When the refugees move and see Jews, they want to push them out.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's the refugees. It's [B]probably[/B] the Muslims that have lived in France for a very long time but never integrated.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49597149]I don't think it's the refugees. It's [B]probably[/B] the Muslims that have lived in France for a very long time but never integrated.[/QUOTE] why would it be a recent development, then?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49597184]why would it be a recent development, then?[/QUOTE] Maybe they thought their views were too extreme and would be rebuked, but now they aren't the [I]most[/I] extreme in the public eye and are therefore going under the radar more than they would have. In any case, this seems worrying. I can't see a continued atmosphere like this leading to anything good.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49597149]I don't think it's the refugees. It's [B]probably[/B] the Muslims that have lived in France for a very long time but never integrated.[/QUOTE] Probably a mixture of both but the point stands. It's not a coincidence that attacks against Jews are rising while more Muslims are arriving. Jews in France have a long history going back to Rashi in 1040 CE and it's a shame to see French Jewry end like this.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49597149]I don't think it's the refugees. It's [B]probably[/B] the Muslims that have lived in France for a very long time but never integrated.[/QUOTE] Well, as long as it's Muslims.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49597333]Well, as long as it's Muslims.[/QUOTE] Jews have been shit on by Muslims for as long as Islam has existed. Literally one of the first things Muhammad did was massacre the Jews of Medina. Even at its best, Muslims have treated Jews like second class citizens.
What do the Jews know that we don't?
[QUOTE=Dr.C;49597096]Maybe we'll have a second golden age of jewish comedy writing[/QUOTE] that's what im thinking don't go to israel join us in the glorious land of los angeles and eat at delis and write movies [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] Despite the USA not letting Jews into the country before WWII, the USA is the best place for Jews to be in the entire world. The things I heard said about us outside of the country is shocking.
[QUOTE=Singo;49597076]This planet is falling apart.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, don't start.
They're still trying to stay relevant after the Holocaust, aren't they? Why have so many Jews migrate for no apparent reason? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling/Shitposting" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=person11;49597397]that's what im thinking don't go to israel join us in the glorious land of los angeles and eat at delis and write movies [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] Despite the USA not letting Jews into the country before WWII, the USA is the best place for Jews to be in the entire world. The things I heard said about us outside of the country is shocking.[/QUOTE] Because Americans are barbarians, don't get too close or we'll shoot you and then give you the death penalty. Aaaaaahhh
[QUOTE=kikomia;49597416]They're still trying to stay relevant after the Holocaust, aren't they? Why have so many Jews migrate for no apparent reason?[/QUOTE] I really hope you are being sarcastic.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49597416]They're still trying to stay relevant after the Holocaust, aren't they? Why have so many Jews migrate for no apparent reason?[/QUOTE] Pffft, nice.
[QUOTE=kikomia;49597416]They're still trying to stay relevant after the Holocaust, aren't they? Why have so many Jews migrate for no apparent reason?[/QUOTE] Because we're being attacked constantly in France? We don't want to be "relevant" and even if we wanted to be, Israel is doing the job for us already. Also person11, there's still plenty of anti-semitism in the USA, even up North.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49597097]No shit. It's not a coincidence that the attack following Charlie Hebdo was on a kosher supermarket or that the concert hall where ISIS attacked was affiliated with Zionists. Many refugees don't like Jews or Israel thanks to the Arab media and what their governments tell them. When the refugees move and see Jews, they want to push them out.[/QUOTE] ya man it's the refugees, and not at all the still large groups of neo nazis in many european countries
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49597421]Because Americans are barbarians, don't get too close or we'll shoot you and then give you the death penalty. Aaaaaahhh[/QUOTE] however ironic you may or may not be, one could say the same about israel
[QUOTE=JerryK;49597449]ya man it's the refugees, and not at all the still large groups of neo nazis in many european countries[/QUOTE] the lengths and the wacky mental gymnastics people go to to absolve the refugees of any wrongdoing lol the "neo nazi" groups are not large or pose any serious risk in any developed western european country, and most of them share more hatred towards the newly arrived unrestrained immigrants instead of the several generation old jewish population that by large keep to themselves
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49597333]Well, as long as it's Muslims.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it is Muslims. What else would it be, pork raining from the skies? [QUOTE] ya man it's the refugees, and not at all the still large groups of neo nazis in many european countries [/QUOTE] Definitely, you got it. Muslims haven't got anything against Jews and we all know Europe is absolutely swarming with Nazis right now, that's why they're taking in migrants. Because Nazis love non-whites.
[QUOTE=JerryK;49597449]ya man it's the refugees, and not at all the still large groups of neo nazis in many european countries[/QUOTE] And again, like in every other thread about this topic: Most people who insulted/were offensive towards the guy in the "walking through Paris as a jew" were North African/Arabic looking. You can't just ignore that Don't mean that they are refugees though, don't get me wrong
[QUOTE=Melnek;49597512]the lengths and the wacky mental gymnastics people go to to absolve the refugees of any wrongdoing lol the "neo nazi" groups are not large or pose any serious risk in any developed western european country, and most of them share more hatred towards the newly arrived unrestrained immigrants instead of the several generation old jewish population that by large keep to themselves[/QUOTE] the lengths and wacky mental gymnastics people go to ignore decades of conflict between EU members, declining economies, and neo nazi parties running for offices in order to blame everything on refugees as a meaningless blanket statement meant to incite racial tensions and hatred, lol
[QUOTE=JerryK;49597449]ya man it's the refugees, and not at all the still large groups of neo nazis in many european countries[/QUOTE] The large groups of neo nazis in many european countries can be counted in thousands The refugees on the other hand can now be counted in a million(s?). Correlation does not imply causation, but still...
[QUOTE=JerryK;49597529]the lengths and wacky mental gymnastics people go to ignore decades of conflict between EU members, declining economies, and neo nazi parties running for offices in order to blame everything on refugees as a meaningless blanket statement meant to incite racial tensions and hatred, lol[/QUOTE] Please list a few relevant neo-nazi parties.
[QUOTE=Savant231A;49597544]The large groups of neo nazis in many european countries can be counted in thousands[/QUOTE] They barely make it into the hundreds here.
[QUOTE=JerryK;49597449]ya man it's the refugees, and not at all the still large groups of neo nazis in many european countries[/QUOTE] Actually, there were almost no terror attacks on Jews by neo Nazis in France in the past 50 years [QUOTE=wikipedia] 13-19 January 1975: Two failed rocket propelled grenade attacks on El Al airplanes at Orly Airport by Carlos the Jackal. 20 May 1978 Three terrorists open fire on El Al passengers in the departure lounge of Orly Airport south of Paris.[15] [/QUOTE] El Al is a Jewish airline [QUOTE=wikipedia] 27 March 1979: Bomb attack against a university restaurant in a Jewish student hostel in Paris claimed by an Anti-Zionist group.[/QUOTE] Doesn't have to be said, however note the attack of Jews to fight against Zionism [QUOTE=wikipedia]3 October 1980 Bombing: 1980 Paris synagogue bombing against the synagogue of the French Israeli Liberal Union on rue Copernic, Paris.[/QUOTE] Committed by a Lebanese [QUOTE=wikipedia]29 March 1985: Bomb attack against the Rivoli Beaubourg cinema in Paris during a Jewish film festival, attributed to the Hezbollah[/QUOTE] Note how Hezbollah considers attacking Jews as equivalent to attacking Israel [QUOTE=wikipedia]11-22 March 2012: Toulouse and Montauban shootings, murdering three French paratroopers, a French Rabbi and three French schoolchildren (aged eight, six and three) carried out over a period of 11 days by Mohammed Merah.[1][/QUOTE] The rabbi and schoolchildren were all Jewish and [QUOTE]Merah admitted antisemitic motivations,[16] and said he attacked the Jewish school because "The Jews kill our brothers and sisters in Palestine."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wikipedia]7-9 January 2015: January 2015 Île-de-France attacks, a mass shooting at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo office in Paris, carried out by Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, two Islamist gunmen who identified themselves as belonging to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.[1] During this period, a third Islamist gunman and close friend of the Kouachi brothers, Amedy Coulibaly was responsible for two shootings and an hostage taking at a Hypercacher kosher market. He said he synchronized his attacks with the Kouachi brothers. Coulibaly had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[/QUOTE] Happened at a kosher supermarket [QUOTE=wikipedia]3 February 2015: 3 military men, guarding a Jewish community center in Nice, are attacked by Moussa Coulibaly (not related to the January Coulibaly attacks).[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wikipedia]13-14 November 2015: November 2015 Paris attacks. The single deadliest terrorist attack in French history. Multiple shooting and grenade attacks occurred on a Friday night; among the locations targeted were a music venue, sports stadium and several bar and restaurant terraces. 90 persons were killed during a siege at an Eagles of Death Metal concert inside the Bataclan. French president François Hollande evacuated from a football match between France and Germany at the Stade de France, slated venue for the UEFA Euro 2016 Final, after three separate suicide bombings over the course of about 40 minutes. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attacks and President Hollande named the Paris attacks an "'act of war'".[22][/QUOTE] Bataclan was very pro Israel [QUOTE]Threats for pro-Israel activities[edit] For 40 years, Bataclan had Jewish owners, Pascal and Joel Laloux, who sold the theatre to new owners in September 2015. The theatre was a target for anti-Zionist activists, since the venue often held pro-Israel events. One extremist group called "Army of Islam" threatened the Bataclan in 2011 because its owners were Jews.[8][9] Pro-Palestinian activists have protested against the Bataclan's association with pro-Israel activities. A video posted on YouTube shows masked pro-Palestinian militant protesters at the Bataclan in 2008 stating: "We came here to pass along a small message. Be warned. Next time we won’t be coming here to talk.”[10][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wikipedia] 18 November 2015: Jewish teacher was attacked, insulted, taunted and stabbed in the arm and leg in the streets of Marseille by three men. One of the three was wearing an ISIS T-shirt and they showed the teacher a cell phone image of Mohamed Merah the terrorist who carried out the 2012 Toulouse and Montauban shootings as they stabbed him.[23][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wikipedia]11 January 2016: Jewish teacher was stabbed in the streets of Marseille by a teenager jihadist who acted in the name of ISIS.[/QUOTE] This is excluding all of the attacks on Israeli officials It's not Neo Nazis that are the problem
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