• Assange ignores human rights groups as Wikileaks prepares to publish more documents
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[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24059572]They rig IEDs on frequently used highways. Its all a matter of luck that a US convoy goes past them. And what about that insurance file they have, but is still encrypted? What if that contains files that reveal operations? What happens then.[/QUOTE] I thought that's the essence of what I'm saying? They're already dying because the Taliban can more or less predict their movement into specific areas. I understand smaller groups have taken to entering and exiting the city in two different areas, but it seems to have done little to stop IED explosions. Oh wait, I can prove it to you: [url]http://holykaw.alltop.com/visualization-of-ied-attacks-in-afghanistan-2[/url] Watch as they increase as the years go on. And the encrypted file is encrypted and no one can read it, so your speculation is useless. It could just as easily contain the ultimate plan to end the war. [quote]Happens in any war. I don't think I need to be made aware of it. The alternative is to tuck tail and run then wait for them to fly another plane into a skyscraper.[/quote] lol wat Okay, man. Whatever.
lol blaming the US gov for wikileaks decision to release the documents with the names in them.. of course they're not going to help someone steal their classified documents..are you fucking serious? rofl
I'm only speculating here, but what if they release the password?
[QUOTE=lawl;24059679]lol blaming the US gov for wikileaks decision to release the documents with the names in them.. of course they're not going to help someone steal their classified documents..are you fucking serious? rofl[/QUOTE] lol reading comprehension I'm blaming the US government for not cooperating to reduce the damage these documents could inflict. They were going to be released either way. Apparently the US thought their bullying tactics would work--they didn't, and now their refusal to cooperate and remove important names from the documents has resulted in a shitstorm ... because the U.S. government, NATO, and whoever else refused to ensure the safety of the contents. (As you can see, I am not blaming the US government for the release itself, since it was happening under their supervision or not.)
While I agree that the US government is hardly angelic, I find this idea that some people have that the government is the root of all evil and that no one else can do any wrong very stupid.
Protip: He's in Sweden atm.
The American government and the media have done a brilliant job of showing him as evil to the public. almost makes you forget that his website exposed a ton of war crimes committed by America. I wonder why they want him gone?
the more this happens, the more likely the military are to pull out of the middle east- whether you like it or not, the few deaths that may occur from the documents prevent many more lives from being taken by the taliban
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;24055657]There's a difference between leaking war crimes and leaking a list of afghan names. One of them shows the horror to the people the other GETS PEOPLE KILLED. He wasn't that bad but recently he just crossed the line.[/QUOTE] Strawman all up in this bitch The Informants' names were only [b][i][u]One[/u][/i][/b] out [b][u][i]Ninety Thousand Reports[/i][/u][/b], stop acting as if one list of name included in this massive clusterfuck of reports nullifies all the unreported civilian deaths at the hands of NATO forces. Now, you try and filter every single report out of [b][u][i]Ninety Thousand Reports[/i][/u][/b] with maybe, at most, 20 people, and see how long and difficult it is. Not only that, all these reports are pre-troop surge, pre-new strategy, and 6 years to 7 months out of dates, most of which include information that were already common facts, the only reason you get these Afghans, which half the people crying over it really don't give two fucks and a shit about, is because their whole [i][b]OMFG, THESE REPORTS, IT'S LIKE VIETNAM ALL OVER, OUR PR IS FUCKED, QUICKLY DENOUNCE IT AS ENDANGERING AMERICAN LIVES[/b][/i], until they found out these reports don't endanger jack shit no more then the weekly report on the Afghan war we hear on CNN or Fox News, the only reason people are so pissy is because the Defense Department didn't get to cherry pick, censor, and downplay these documents at all before hand, with this being effectively a police blotter, with even the fucking Pentagon and Obama saying these show nothing sensitive at all in relation to the American and NATO mission in Afghanistan Now if you want to pick a fight with someone, pick a fight with the U.S. military, they are the idiots who for some fucked up reason, included full names and list of informants in these low level reports, knowing full well the implications should these non-encrypted reports had Also before you pull the whole DA AFGHANZ ARENT GONNA BE INFORMANTS NAO OMFG JUST GIVE THE TALIBAN A NUKE, WE'RE SO FUCKED, well no fucking shit Sherlock, regardless of these reports, these informants know full well the risk, and the fact they could be called out or even killed simply because the Taliban [i]suspect[/i] they are informants, and along with the fact they are essentially assisting a foreign occupier who doesn't even speak the same language or practices the same religion as you, propping up a unpopular government that would collapse the second NATO and America left, there isn't most incentive to help the Americans when the Taliban are the locals, while like the 1980s, the Americans are going to be gone in 2 years
[QUOTE=Bobie;24060030]the more this happens, the more likely the military are to pull out of the middle east- whether you like it or not, the few deaths that may occur from the documents prevent many more lives from being taken by the taliban[/QUOTE] ...And then Afghanistan collapses into a shitstorm that could claim many more lives.
91,7## documents* Wikileaks was undermanned on the project, under 100 [exact number unknown, most likely at least under 70] people working on censoring them, and while trying to release them within a reasonable time, shit tends to happen.
Assange has to be a train wreck at this point. Enemies everywhere, misinformation used against him, not to mention he probably got hundreds of death threats. I wouldn't want to be him right now
[QUOTE=Murkrow;24060430]Assange has to be a train wreck at this point. Enemies everywhere, misinformation used against him, not to mention he probably got hundreds of death threats. I wouldn't want to be him right now[/QUOTE] Yeah, because those soldiers whose lives he put in danger don't have it much worse.
[QUOTE=johncage;24060457]Yeah, because those soldiers whose lives he put in danger don't have it much worse.[/QUOTE] Misinformation like this.
[QUOTE=johncage;24060457]Yeah, because those [b]soldiers whose lives he put in danger[/b] don't have it much worse.[/QUOTE] Uh, what?
Loose lips sink ships.
Uh yeah, especially when all the militaristic information is outdated by at least 6 months, many lives will be lost :gonk:
Its not really "We know your names, and were coming to get you" from the Taliban, its more of "Why the hell should I risk my life and my family's life if they can't even keep my name a secret." Also, I like how everyone is okay saying shit to soldiers saying they kill innocent familys when they are thousands of miles away from theres and are protecting us. Even though the Taliban and Al-qaeda have killed many more civilians than the soldiers ever will, and use dead bodys as weapons.
The Taliban parses military documents looking for patterns to the military's strategy on the micro and macro level. This forces the army to constantly change its tactics, but if even for one moment they fail to do so, then lives are potentially lost.
[QUOTE=David29;24059904]While I agree that the US government is hardly angelic, I find this idea that some people have that the government is the root of all evil and that no one else can do any wrong very stupid.[/QUOTE] no one has said this and those that have are probably stupid so stop saying this like everyone who disagrees with government policies is an anti-american commie. [editline]10:46AM[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;24060377]...And then Afghanistan collapses into a shitstorm that could claim many more lives.[/QUOTE] the US is not world police.
As we all know Assange is te only person on earth that could possibly publish things on the wikileaks site.
[QUOTE=Mr.Goodcat;24060577]saying they kill innocent familys when they are thousands of miles away from theres and are protecting us Protecting America from what exactly? Afghanistan didn't even have a fucking airline before the invasion, how the fuck can they harm your glorious fucking country? A vast majority of Taliban only have is a mud shack, a AK, and a Kuran, and maybe a IED or RPG, which can only engage targets at the very most 800 meters away, you really think they can harm America thousands of kilometers away? And before you bring up Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda is a Saudi/Arab Terrorist Network based out of Somalia/Yemen right now, I don't see American troops in Yemen or Somalia or even Saudi Arabia dying to protect America from a bunch of fucking jihadis who can't even properly wire a god damn car bomb let alone kill anyone in the United States after 9/11, the people America is fighting in Afghanistan don't even speak fuckin' Arabic, let alone be anywhere near a Arab [editline]10:06AM[/editline] [QUOTE=johncage;24060591]The Taliban parses military documents looking for patterns to the military's strategy on the micro and macro level. This forces the army to constantly change its tactics, but if even for one moment they fail to do so, then lives are potentially lost.[/QUOTE] First off, I doubt the Taliban can read English, secondly, they lack the organization to do such a thing for a majority of them, thirdly, this is all pre-new strategy, and fourthly, what the fuck is there about US military tactics that hasn't been reported on?
Alright... Fuck whatever I said earlier... Put this fucker up to his neck in desert sand, and let him boil for all I care.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24060607]the US is not world police.[/QUOTE] Actually we are. We're usually the ones who step in when something goes wrong.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24054947]You're incredibly dumb. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - GunFox))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Because I care more about a thousand Afghani families than about one autistic Swedish guy?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;24060283]Strawman all up in this bitch The Informants' names were only [b][i][u]One[/u][/i][/b] out [b][u][i]Ninety Thousand Reports[/i][/u][/b], stop acting as if one list of name included in this massive clusterfuck of reports nullifies all the unreported civilian deaths at the hands of NATO forces. Now, you try and filter every single report out of [b][u][i]Ninety Thousand Reports[/i][/u][/b] with maybe, at most, 20 people, and see how long and difficult it is. [/QUOTE] One is too fucking many.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24053146]Assanage is an asshole. He should only release documents about war crimes, when he starts allowing the release of actual military documents, thats basically handing over our men on a silver platter.[/QUOTE] Jullian Assange is not wikileaks. This is a common mistake people seem to be making in these threads lately, people seem to think that is Wikileaks and there is no one else involved. He is just a co-founder / spokesperson. Holding him responsible is the same as say blaming the CEO (or even spokesperson) of a company for something it does. Or holding the president of a country personally responsible for something it's army does. To be honest I hope that if these documents do get released they are censored in a way which keeps the people involved safe, but does not cover anything up. While I think the public have the right to know what's going on or has happened in a war zone documents which put people at risk (either by listing informants etc or by detailing planned operations) should not be released. [editline]04:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;24061221]Actually we are. We're usually the ones who step in when something goes wrong.[/QUOTE] But the US do not have legal jurisdiction across the world, so the US are not the world police. [editline]04:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;24061324]Because I care more about a thousand Afghani families than about one autistic Swedish guy?[/QUOTE] He is Australian, not Swedish. If you are going to to argue something it helps to do your research. [editline]04:38PM[/editline] Also people seem to be ignoring the fact which has been mentioned in this article and others, that Wikileaks have repeadtly asked for help to censor the documents.
[QUOTE=Jsm;24061359]But the US do not have legal jurisdiction across the world, so the US are not the world police.[/QUOTE] If a country needs or requests our assistance, [B]we come[/B].
And in some cases when they don't "you" still go. :3:
[QUOTE=Ragy;24061438]If a country needs or requests our assistance, [B]we come[/B].[/QUOTE] And usually break international law in the process. Although this is starting to get very off topic, and it is true the US does assist most of the world when shit goes wrong.
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