• 15 States petition for secession from Obama's America
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[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38424623]holy shit you're dodging hard. Your entire point revolves around the "illogical" side of man. You admitted in your previous post that there currently is no logic behind the secessionary rhetoric. [b]I'm saying that there has to be some logic for it to be a valid point that's worth bringing up in a discussion.[/b][/QUOTE] That is where you're wrong, and this also makes you sound sorta fascist man. Just because there is no logic behind this topic doesn't make it more or less a topic of discussion, I mean for fucks sake you're in a thread about people wishing for secession saying there is nothing to discuss, and I disagree to that very much, I'm discussing the illogical reasons why people want secession, and just because they're illogical they don't need to be talked about right? No, we should rather understand the mindset of a person who wishes this in times when their views are not needed. I've not dodged a single thing when I've discussed this, all you have done is basically agree with me that it's dumb to hold secessionist views now, all I've tried to do is make people(or rather, you) understand that people with these views aren't just some typical southern red necks.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38422631]being pissed about disaster relief is hardly a reason to secede.[/QUOTE] Deus Ex called.
This is gonna sound ignorant and possibly immature but... I really just want the entire state of Texas to leave. Like...go away. I don't care where. Just go.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424815]Deus Ex called.[/QUOTE] MGS2 called disaster relief is a front for secret bases that monitor your communications. [editline]12th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;38424813]That is where you're wrong, and this also makes you sound sorta fascist man. Just because there is no logic behind this topic doesn't make it more or less a topic of discussion, I mean for fucks sake you're in a thread about people wishing for secession saying there is nothing to discuss, and I disagree to that very much, I'm discussing the illogical reasons why people want secession, and just because they're illogical they don't need to be talked about right? No, we should rather understand the mindset of a person who wishes this in times when their views are not needed. I've not dodged a single thing when I've discussed this, all you have done is basically agree with me that it's dumb to hold secessionist views now, all I've tried to do is make people(or rather, you) understand that people with these views aren't just some typical southern red necks.[/QUOTE] well for that matter why not just post all sorts of stuff hysterical (aka illogical) people say. Why don't we impeach Obama. At least that would make more sense than seceding. Also you're ignoring the etymology and history of secession as an idea. It wouldn't really make sense for northern states like New York to secede... at all.
Texas might be fine right now, but it would die on it's own. You kinda lose your special trade Privileges once you leave the Union.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38424960]well for that matter why not just post all sorts of stuff hysterical (aka illogical) people say. Why don't we impeach Obama. At least that would make more sense than seceding.[/QUOTE] You understand that's not what I'm trying to do right, I'm just stating possible reasons why someone from certain states indicated in this news article might have secessionist views based on the notion that the government is fucked instead of racism. Of course impeachment makes more sense, but it's just as illogical because Obama has committed no impeachable offense, so by your own logic as well why are you even discussing that? [QUOTE=trotskygrad;38424960]Also you're ignoring the etymology and history of secession as an idea.[/QUOTE] Am I sir? You understand that the right to secede has been a discussed right of the states since the nation was born out of the Articles of Confederation. The states saw it as their right if the Union became unjust that it was legal for them to break away and form a new, which is what they did with the Civil War. All the Civil War did was cement the Federal government's power. So am I wrong here? [QUOTE=trotskygrad;38424960]It wouldn't really make sense for northern states like New York to secede... at all.[/QUOTE] Of course if you're considering secession like it was considered in the Civil War, then yeah it wouldn't make sense. [quote=Wikipedia]In March 2008, the comptroller of Suffolk County, New York, once again proposed for Long Island to secede from New York State, citing the fact that Long Island gives more in taxes to the state than it receives back in aid.[71] Numerous movements call for the partition of New York into western New York, upstate New York, New York City and/or Long Island.[/quote] [quote=Wikipedia]In 1977, political representatives on the islands of Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket and the Elizabeth Islands considered secession from Massachusetts, some even threatening secession from the United States if their requests were not recognized. However, eventually they settled for better representation in the Massachusetts legislature.[/quote] [quote=Wikipedia]California has a long history of attempted state secession movements. Southern California attempted three times in the 1850s to achieve a separate statehood or territorial status from Northern California. The last attempt, the Pico Act of 1859, was passed by the California State Legislature, signed by the State governor John B. Weller, approved overwhelmingly by voters in the proposed Territory of Colorado and sent to Washington, D.C. with a strong advocate in Senator Milton Latham. However the secession crisis following the election of Lincoln in 1860 prevented the proposal from ever coming to a vote.[72][73][74] Other attempts in the last century include that of the State of Jefferson of 1940–41, the 1965 proposal of a new state of Southern California south of the Tehachapi mountains, and the current day "Inland" and "Coastal" California state proposals in the late 2000s[/quote] [quote=Wikipedia]The Washington State Legislature on several occasions has considered measures to split the state in two: Western Washington and Eastern Washington, the border being along the Cascade Mountains. Reasons given are climate, population and politically related[/quote] Makes no sense huh.
Suprising that my birth state South Carolina isn't on the list....I guess they learned their lesson the first fucking time.
Oh! We can't forget the Crimson Skies mythos (man, this is a throw-back for PC gamers) [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Crimson_skies_map.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Nikota;38414673]Peaceful secession is a funny joke.[/QUOTE] And then it actually happens and the United States becomes a battle ground once again.
[QUOTE=Zarjk;38429025]And then it actually happens and the United States becomes a battle ground once again.[/QUOTE] I hope not. We actually got a shot at starting to fix a lot of America's problems now. It would be terrible if all that potential went down the shitter because of a few butthurt neocons.
They don't need majority rule, most of the time out country is run by minority rule. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;38428332]quotes[/QUOTE] all of those are due to the regions feeling that they "don't belong" or that they're contributing more than they're receiving to a larger entity. Eg. they have a logical reason to secede.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38430583]all of those are due to the regions feeling that they "don't belong" or that they're contributing more than they're receiving to a larger entity. Eg. they have a logical reason to secede.[/QUOTE] They're still reasons, that as a whole contribute to secessionist rhetoric in general. Just you never hear it [b]because[/b] of the rednecks hating obama and wishing the rise of the Confederacy bullshit that dominates the spectrum whenever you hear secession. Why do I feel like I'm screaming at you, and you're screaming the exact fucking thing back at me.
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