• Insanity: CISPA Just Got Way Worse, And Then Passed On Rushed Vote
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35726536] NDAA is passed once a year and is focused on defense, which is what they classified 1021 and 1022 as.[/QUOTE] You're not getting my point. This means absolutely anything vaguely related to defense is passable through NDAA. Why didn't they just shove the PATRIOT ACT into NDAA and call it good? If a faction wants to conduct wiretaps on US citizens why don't they just shove it into NDAA? They wouldn't even have to worry about support for the act, because NDAA is a must-pass bill.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;35726271]It won't pass the President. The Obama administration is saying they will most likely veto it before goes anywhere, so don't be worried.[/QUOTE] Better to make sure it is known the people hate it ahead of him, though. If it gets to the point that he needs to act, we've failed as outraged citizens. Well, the system sucks, but we should still try. He's our desperation move, not something to be relied on unless no alternatives exist.
And since this isn't a dystopian, completely authoritarian government I'm assuming there is another reason behind 1021 and 1022.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35726557]You're not getting my point. This means absolutely anything vaguely related to defense is passable through NDAA. Why didn't they just shove the PATRIOT ACT into NDAA and call it good? If a faction wants to conduct wiretaps on US citizens why don't they just shove it into NDAA? They wouldn't even have to worry about support for the act, because NDAA is a must-pass bill.[/QUOTE]They actually do that sometimes. But for more comprehensive legislation like the Patriot act, they have to pass it as a separate bill. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] Hell, the White House even tried the argument that, because the Patriot act already existed, they didn't need 1021 and 1022. They tried a number of different things to get rid of those sections.
[QUOTE=Kwaq;35726259]how does something like this happen american system is so dumb, war needs to be wagered on these people[/QUOTE] then i wager fifty bucks on canada
Things like this are scary. It's weird to think of the internet as we know it suddenly being lost, it's a home away from home for me on here [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/frown.gif[/img]
Wasn't America built on freedom? What the fuck is this shit? Honestly they should get their stupid shit together and stop trying to be the Cyber Police of the World or some shit like that. The internet is for everyone, by everyone, maintained by everyone. It should not be the stupid big-wallet corporations controlling it.
[QUOTE=Kwaq;35726259]how does something like this happen[/QUOTE] We didn't bother to make the effort to get up and protest it. Everybody's still patting themselves on the back for it and congratulating themselves for stopping SOPA. That's how it happens. We've brought this upon ourselves.
Even if we stop CISPA, a new bill will be ready in 3-4 months.
[quote] Basically it says the 4th Amendment does not apply online, at all.[/quote] How would it even apply online?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35726557]You're not getting my point. This means absolutely anything vaguely related to defense is passable through NDAA. Why didn't they just shove the PATRIOT ACT into NDAA and call it good? If a faction wants to conduct wiretaps on US citizens why don't they just shove it into NDAA? They wouldn't even have to worry about support for the act, because NDAA is a must-pass bill.[/QUOTE] Because the PATRIOT act is a separate entity. If they can fucking release it fine, I doubt attaching it to NDAA will do anything.
[URL="http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saphr3523r_20120425.pdf"][B]EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT[/B] H.R. 3523 - Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act[/URL]
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK WHAT THE FLYING FUCK I fucking hate my county. Someone fucking start a revolution. We need to kick these people out of office NOW
They do know they are pretty much aggrivating the entire world if they use the bill to it's fullest extent right?
I bet they aren't going to give a shit if these "cyber security crimes" are commited in the US or abroad.
[b]Why just why![/b]
Gotta love corruption. But y'all be livin in a free country n shit. Dont forget that. Its a democracy!
The fourth amendment applies online too; it applies everywhere.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;35727827]The fourth amendment applies online too; it applies everywhere.[/QUOTE] I agree. The government cannot just violate the constitution. If this passes, someone is bound to take it to the supreme court.
I still want to know how this means corruption. The government won't waste resources just Ito fuck you over for no reason. They'll obviously need to be suspicious of you in the first place or it would be expenive as hell
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiqS4N8zZM[/media] Seriously though, I don't see why they even need to vote on it if the president has already said that he's going to decline it's legalization. What's the point?
christ jesus
Pest country in the wurld.
I don't know why, but when I read the OP I thought of this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGN6dzK7RI8&feature=related[/media] "Right to the fourth amendment: suspended."
GUYS! JUST SIGN EVERY FUCKING PETITION. ALL THE PETITIONS.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;35726271]It won't pass the President. The Obama administration is saying they will most likely veto it before goes anywhere, so don't be worried.[/QUOTE] - Snip, wrong House -
Let's nuke Hollywood. Who needs movies, we won't have these laws passing anymore, and no more corrupt politicians!
Woo corporatocracy
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35726455]I don't buy that, because then the PATRIOT ACT wouldn't have needed to be passed. It could have been slipped into an NDAA bill and passed practically unanimously. In fact, this means that any politician or faction can slip in whatever shit they want into the NDAA and have it passed. That's not very logical.[/QUOTE] No, it's not logical. They recently voted down a bill that would disallow "riders" as in, one bill for one issue.
Goodbye freedoms, hello big brother.
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