• Report: Denuvo DRM cracked, pirates seeing significant performance increase
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[quote]But yeah, my performance in Lords on my gaming laptop went from a 45ish-60fps depending on the location/situation, to a near solid 60fps with sllight occasional dips to 55fps. So it's pretty clear from my experience and the many others in the comments section for the crack that this removal did indeed improve performance by some margin. At lest we not forget these are the same scheming assholes who brought us the SecureRom DRM...thank god that was cracked![/quote] Source: This entire thread [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=943186[/url] [url]http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/274014467/denuvo-blown-the-fuck-out-corporate-shills-blown#reply[/url] [url]http://www.dsogaming.com/news/report-denuvo-drm-system-has-been-cracked[/url] Not many sources since only LoF has been cracked so far but if this is true... Taking 15-20FPS away from legitimate consumers for DRM is bullshit. I hope customers raise a storm over this and I hope publishers patch this stuff out. Edit: This thread is about [b]performance[/b] not the fact that it was cracked.
They should just stick to making mild DRM that just block out people copying their DVD and giving it away to friends instead of targeting computer hackers, they will crack it always
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46618705]They should just stick to making mild DRM that just block out people copying their DVD and giving it away to friends instead of targeting computer hackers, they will crack it always[/QUOTE] Best anti-piracy method is to support your game with free content to the point where it becomes inconvenient for a pirate to continue downloading updates. Also making a good game and not being dicks to your customers helps.
Is there any performance benchmarks to back this up? Forum posts aren't exactly reliable.
[QUOTE=Saxon;46618728]Is there any performance benchmarks to back this up? Forum posts aren't exactly reliable.[/QUOTE] No one with any sort of credentials has actually went out and tested this stuff out yet. Hopefully, someone will see the threads on /v/ SA and GAF.... But honestly I can't see anyone with credentials actually doing this since it's applying a crack. I think anything that we find out about Denuvo will be through the gaming community in general.
[QUOTE=Korova;46618711]Best anti-piracy method is to support your game with free content to the point where it becomes inconvenient for a pirate to continue downloading updates.[/QUOTE] Best anti-piracy method is to make a good game and be nice to your customers (aka don't fuck your customers). There's literally nothing more to it.. Finally, there will always be pirates regardless of what you do so there is no point in "anti-piracy" methods beside the aforementioned.
The only proof if you can call it that is some guy saying along the lines "lol I'm an insider and it boosts frames" [quote]Who's gonna doubt me now!!! Mwahahahas, seriously though I just have access to places, people and sites 99% other people don't so I'm just a kindly messenger. :P But yeah, my performance in Lords on my gaming laptop went from a 45ish-60fps depending on the location/situation, to a near solid 60fps with sllight occasional dips to 55fps. So it's pretty clear from my experience and the many others in the comments section for the crack that this removal did indeed improve performance by some margin. At lest we not forget these are the same scheming assholes who brought us the SecureRom DRM...thank god that was cracked![/quote] Its premature at the very least to be saying that Don't get me wrong though, if it does then I'll crack my legit copy asap when it drops.
[QUOTE=Korova;46618711]Best anti-piracy method is to support your game with free content to the point where it becomes inconvenient for a pirate to continue downloading updates. Also making a good game and not being dicks to your customers helps.[/QUOTE] The best anti piracy method is to make your game easily available, well supported and not sacrifice performance for legitimate owners of the game so you can hold off crackers for another 2 weeks.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;46618765]Best anti-piracy method is to make a good game and be nice to your customers (aka don't fuck your customers). There's literally nothing more to it.. Finally, there will always be pirates regardless of what your do so there is no point in "anti-piracy" methods beside the aforementioned.[/QUOTE] This. People who pirate are either A. people who can't/won't pay regardless, or B. people who do it out of convenience. Against the former there's nothing to do, really. They just won't buy your game. For them, it's either pirated copy or pass. The latter are not missed sales, are potential customers- they would've bought the game if only it wasn't more convenient to pirate it for different reasons, from DRMs, to it not being sold any longer, to it not being available where they live, to it being only on an old consolle and impossible to gather if it wasn't for emulators, and so on and so forth. Who would go thorough the hassle of downloading a copy that is working, legit and not stripped of content in certain bays when you have a complete, fast, reliable, user friendly and possibly cheap way to get it guaranteed working? Only the group A. Back on topic, if that's true I hope the crack is released so legit customers don't get screwed over.
[QUOTE=Korova;46618689]Not many sources since only LoF has been cracked so far but if this is true... Taking 15-20FPS away from legitimate consumers for DRM is bullshit. I hope customers raise a storm over this and I hope publishers patch this stuff out. Edit: This thread is about [b]performance[/b] not the fact that it was cracked.[/QUOTE] What does the crack actually do? Usually they don't 'remove' the DRM, they just fool it into thinking it's legit. If that's the case, there'd be no reason why there'd be a performance increase.
It constantly Decrypts and Re-encrypts information. I don't see how disabling it wouldn't improve performance at least a marginal amount. You would probably see the biggest gains with older/slower processors. The people who made it will only say it doesn't do this on storage media (Such as your HDD) I can't wait to see a DA:I crack. I've tried every which way in the book to get the game to run at a playable state and it doesn't, but I do know exactly how it runs on my rig. I would definitely notice a change if there was one, and I'm really interested in seeing if there actually is one
Never say uncrackable.
[QUOTE=ExtReMLapin;46619406]Never say uncrackable.[/QUOTE] And no one ever said that
[QUOTE=lapsus_;46618842]People who pirate are either A. people who can't/won't pay regardless, or B. people who do it out of convenience. Against the former there's nothing to do, really. They just won't buy your game. For them, it's either pirated copy or pass.[/quote] There's also C: People who like to try before buying. I used to pirate when I was younger and didn't understand the issue fully. I probably pirated 4-5 games that I was curious about, just to turn around and buy them shortly after. There were probably 2-3 games I didn't buy after. One game, I followed the developement of and nearly preordered, but heard mixed reviews. I pirated it after release, just to find out that one of the hugest anticipated features had been removed - taking away 99% of why I wanted the game to begin with.
It would be interesting to see if this is the cause of the performance issues in cut scenes for DA:I. Though it will be interesting when we get some real stats.
Can we not make big statements on the basis of scattered forum posts? The last accusation, that the DRM kills SSDs, was also from a forum post and shown to be false. At least wait until a substantial number of people can test and confirm.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;46619430]It would be interesting to see if this is the cause of the performance issues in cut scenes for DA:I.[/QUOTE] You mean drop to 30 fps in cutscenes? No that is due to "facial animation and voice would desync at 60 fps during cutscenes so we reduced it to 30"
[QUOTE=catbarf;46619439]Can we not make big statements on the basis of scattered forum posts? The last accusation, that the DRM kills SSDs, was also from a forum post and shown to be false. At least wait until a substantial number of people can test and confirm.[/QUOTE] It wasn't shown to be false. It was shown to be false in Dragon Age Inquisition. The only claims about Denuvo killing SSDs were documented and remain true with Lords of the Fallen.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46619447]You mean drop to 30 fps in cutscenes? No that is due to "facial animation and voice would desync at 60 fps during cutscenes so we reduced it to 30"[/QUOTE] Oh man that's rich.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46618705]They should just stick to making mild DRM that just block out people copying their DVD and giving it away to friends instead of targeting computer hackers, they will crack it always[/QUOTE] If it takes a few weeks to crack it then it's a success for the publisher, a lot of people will just give in and buy it if they can't easily pirate it.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;46619516]If it takes a few weeks to crack it then it's a success for the publisher, a lot of people will just give in and buy it if they can't easily pirate it.[/QUOTE] That would be true if it wasn't using controversial software. If Steam did something like that, it would be applauded but this had a bad rep with gamers from the start due to the ties with starforce/securom or whatever and then Lords of the Fallen really tarnished the brand's name. Many people I've encountered just flat out refused to buy Dragon Age because of Denuvo, myself included.
[QUOTE=Korova;46619524]That would be true if it wasn't using controversial software. If Steam did something like that, it would be applauded but this had a bad rep with gamers from the start due to the ties with starforce/securom or whatever and then Lords of the Fallen really tarnished the brand's name. Many people I've encountered just flat out refused to buy Dragon Age because of Denuvo, myself included.[/QUOTE] The thing though, how many % of people who wants Dragon Age or LotF actually cares or knows about the DRM. I doubt it's significant
Pay 60$ and get you pc fucked by weird DRM or pirate the game and get even better performance. This is so wrong. StarForce, SecuRom, Denuvo - the family is growing.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46618879]It constantly Decrypts and Re-encrypts information. I don't see how disabling it wouldn't improve performance at least a marginal amount. [B] You would probably see the biggest gains with older/slower processors[/B]. The people who made it will only say it doesn't do this on storage media (Such as your HDD)[/QUOTE] While this is true(just because they're slower), the differences shouldn't be too big because things like constantly having a process interfere with normal program behaviour fucks over the caches, ruins CPU instruction pre-fetching, and memory pre-fetching. CPU's are constantly doing predictions about what's going to happen so they can perform better. If anything interrupts this process constantly, the CPU is going to perform worse.
[QUOTE=Korova;46619484]It wasn't shown to be false. It was shown to be false in Dragon Age Inquisition. The only claims about Denuvo killing SSDs were documented and remain true with Lords of the Fallen.[/QUOTE] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1437622&p=46518987&viewfull=1#post46518987[/url] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1437622&p=46517371&viewfull=1#post46517371[/url] If you define 'documented' as 'some guy on a forum said it so it must be true' then yes, it was 'documented'. It was also contradicted. Until any more solid confirmation comes out than random people on the Internet, maybe you should hold off on the big proclamations about what this DRM does or doesn't do.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46619682][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1437622&p=46518987&viewfull=1#post46518987[/url] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1437622&p=46517371&viewfull=1#post46517371[/url] If you define 'documented' as 'some guy on a forum said it so it must be true' then yes, it was 'documented'. It was also contradicted. Until any more solid confirmation comes out than random people on the Internet, maybe you should hold off on the big proclamations about what this DRM does or doesn't do.[/QUOTE] To be fair, this is exactly how every single proclamation has come - some dude on a forum found out something he shouldn't have. Everyone should hold their horses and wait for more, that's all.
Claiming something is uncrackable just makes it more tempting for people to try and crack it Evidence: Denuvo
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46618879]It constantly Decrypts and Re-encrypts information.[/QUOTE] According to Denuvo themselves, it doesn't. [url]http://www.denuvo.com/#page-4[/url] [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Siemz;46619950]Claiming something is uncrackable just makes it more tempting for people to try and crack it Evidence: Denuvo[/QUOTE] To be fair, Denuvo hasn't ever said it would be uncrackable.
Yet again everyone seems to be blindly accepting something thats just written in a forum post.
[QUOTE=AzzyMaster;46620141]Yet again everyone seems to be blindly accepting something thats just written in a forum post.[/QUOTE] Well there is the Chinese news post from 3DM [url]http://www.3dmgame.com/news/201412/3406040.html[/url]
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