• Air battery to let electric cars outlast gas guzzlers
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In a few years when the technology is more mature, I'd be interested in a dual petrol/electric design I'm running petrol and at the moment LPG, and I like having options
[quote]So, working with his colleague Alessandro Curioni at IBM's Zurich research labs in Switzerland, Wilcke used a Blue Gene supercomputer to run extremely detailed models of the reactions to look for alternative electrolytes. [b]This included a form of atomistic modelling right down to the quantum mechanics of the components[/b], says Curioni.[/quote] If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing I guess.
[QUOTE=belgiumtoast;34096778]Doubt it, this story. Will never see it again like all breakthroughs.[/QUOTE] Don't expect break through to be available in public in just a few months or years. This never has worked like this. [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=zzzz;34096839]Probably dumb of me to ask, but can someone please explain to me how companies manage to do this? Like, the full process they go through in order to do this.[/QUOTE] Being incredibly cheaper which is easy against new technologies.
[QUOTE=Dokaman;34118119]Because people are paid to be quiet, there have been many stories of people inventing things such as "free" energy devices that are actually efficient and them they disappear. If something like this battery was released it could have a major impact on petrol car sales, that can't be allowed.[/QUOTE] That's because 'free' energy is a load of shit. Laws of thermodynamics and all that rot. They disappear because they show up, say "plz gib munnies", and then laugh all the way to the bank because some dumb investors actually bought into their lies. [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;34119110]I can see where TestECull is coming from. It's the sort of thing only a car guy could ever understand. I can only equate an opinion like that to people who own black powder weapons. They're messy, they're inaccurate, and new and better firearms have been perfected, so why would anyone own black powder? Because they like the history? Because they like the mechanical inner workings? The smell? The sound? There's no history to an electric car, not with their fairly recent introduction.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vC3S8MJPY[/media] Nope, no history at all.
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;34096942]I'm no expert, but I'm guessing it involves brown envelopes under the table.[/QUOTE] Under the table? its legal, its right over the table. We can see how much money these companies throw at politicians
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34121868]To those making the claim that the oil companies don't have the power to threaten, bribe and steal patents, here this: I have a relative who has been the direct victim of this type of [B]corporate bullshit[/B]. He created a patent for a device that could boost the MPG of a vehicle by around +10/15 (I forget the specific details), and a day later he recieved offers from several companies to purchase the patent. He refused, knowing what he had invented was capable of, and over the next few weeks, he refused threatening letters, emails, and phone calls, and eventually had to succumb to the pressure. [B][h2]THEY FUCKING DO THIS ALL THE TIME, IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS[/h2][/B][/QUOTE] This is why I'd be a super-bro if I ever invented something like this. I'd patent it, and then make it open-source. Money? Who gives a fuck, I'd have changed the world for the better, and good luck to the goons who think they can stop it once it becomes open-source.
Still betting on hydrogen. Many problems to be solved, but it'll be well worth it.
I think the main problem with electric cars is charge time. That's what keeps many people from readily adopting it is because they take so long to charge in comparison to refueling an internal combustion engine. Its a matter of a few minutes to several hours for a complete refill.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34126403]I think the main problem with electric cars is charge time. That's what keeps many people from readily adopting it is because they take so long to charge in comparison to refueling an internal combustion engine. Its a matter of a few minutes to several hours for a complete refill.[/QUOTE] dual is better then one
[QUOTE=CK5;34121488]Well, I am with TestECull on this one. I will use gasoline right up until the day it runs out, and then I will switch to biodiesel or the like. I love the roar of an engine, and quite frankly I refuse to give it up, and I am quite sure that there are a ton of people out there just like me. I also do not understand why people seem to get so upset over the fact that there are those of us who don't want electric cars. Its our choice, you don't see me telling your an idiot for liking electric cars. Hey if thats what floats your boat, then go ahead. Just leave me be with my choice of vehicle. However with that said I do hope that the rest of you switch over to electric, that way there will be a flood of nice used ICE vehicles for cheap, and the gasoline supply will last that much longer for those of us who would prefer the good old reliable internal combustion engine.[/QUOTE] lol do you seriously think you'll get all the gasoline when everyone else switches to an electric car?
yeah there aren't huge stockpiles of gasoline for consumers just lying around
[QUOTE=GunFox;34116490]Electro-rant[/QUOTE] But i like the smell of gas & oil, i love the sound of cars / motorcycles, i love the how the power is delivered, i love the vibration, the experience. I've tried an electric motorcycle and it was just soulless. It felt like... A tool to get from point A to B. Nothing more.
[QUOTE=***zer0***;34127677]But i like the smell of gas & oil, i love the sound of cars / motorcycles, i love the how the power is delivered, i love the vibration, the experience. I've tried an electric motorcycle and it was just soulless. It felt like... A tool to get from point A to B. Nothing more.[/QUOTE] I actually came in here to say I'd love to try an electric motorcycle. I get where you're coming from, that makes sense but I'd still definitely give it a shot. Obviously I have no idea how it'd feel to ride though.
[QUOTE=***zer0***;34127677]But i like the smell of gas & oil, i love the sound of cars / motorcycles, i love the how the power is delivered, i love the vibration, the experience.[/QUOTE]I like my air pollution, i love noise pollution, I love inefficiency, I love the wasted energy, the experience. [QUOTE]I've tried an electric motorcycle and it was just soulless. It felt like... A tool to get from point A to B. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]That's- But- What? Vehicles are tools to get from point A to B... [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MuTAnT;34127712]I actually came in here to say I'd love to try an electric motorcycle. I get where you're coming from, that makes sense but I'd still definitely give it a shot. Obviously I have no idea how it'd feel to ride though.[/QUOTE]Comparatively very smooth and quiet.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34127795]That's- But- What? Vehicles are tools to get from point A to B...[/QUOTE] I have to admit 90% of the time I'm riding my bike I'm not on it to get to point B. Most people ride motorbikes because they DO enjoy the experience, it's not just to get to your destination.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;34127815]I have to admit 90% of the time I'm riding my bike I'm not on it to get to point B. Most people ride motorbikes because they DO enjoy the experience, it's not just to get to your destination.[/QUOTE] Isn't that a horrible waste then? You're burning fuel and putting undue wear on the parts and not even accomplishing anything more than a few moments of rather subdued gratification.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34127859]Isn't that a horrible waste then? You're burning fuel and putting undue wear on the parts and not even accomplishing anything more than a few moments of rather subdued gratification.[/QUOTE] why do anything if not for a few moments of subdued gratification ~nihilist 4 lyfe~
[QUOTE=***zer0***;34127677]But i like the smell of gas & oil, i love the sound of cars / motorcycles, i love the how the power is delivered, i love the vibration, the experience. I've tried an electric motorcycle and it was just soulless. It felt like... A tool to get from point A to B. Nothing more.[/QUOTE] Then you can have your old car as a collector's piece. Same as the folk who enjoy black powder firearms.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34127859]Isn't that a horrible waste then? You're burning fuel and putting undue wear on the parts and not even accomplishing anything more than a few moments of rather subdued gratification.[/QUOTE] Some people drive/ride because it's fun. So what if parts wear out and fuel is "wasted"
[QUOTE=Uncle Bourbon;34128256]Some people drive/ride because it's fun.[/QUOTE]That doesn't make it any less wasteful. And you'd surely get similar gratification from an electric motorcycle as you would a traditional one. The only difference being superior performance on the part of the electric and a better ride overall.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34128270]That doesn't make it any less wasteful. And you'd surely get similar gratification from an electric motorcycle as you would a traditional one. The only difference being superior performance on the part of the electric and a better ride overall.[/QUOTE] I think I'd enjoy driving an electric car if it performed similarly to a car with an ICE.
[QUOTE=Uncle Bourbon;34128295]I think I'd enjoy driving an electric car if it performed similarly to a car with an ICE.[/QUOTE]Go back and read GunFox's posts.
nah that's not the same unless you had an engine vibrator that simulated engine revolutions and it just gets a bit complex for me, the sound of the engine turning over when you start it is beautiful and reminds me of my father ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [img]http://www.123mycodes.com/chain-message/13.gif[/img]
It goes down to preference. I like working on fuel engines. But being a massive CSE nerd I'd also get a kick out of working on an electric engine. I think if they can make hybrid electric and hydrogen engines, it'd be a perfect mix of a fuel engine and electrical sustainability.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34128855]It goes down to preference. I like working on fuel engines. But being a massive CSE nerd I'd also get a kick out of working on an electric engine. I think if they can make hybrid electric and hydrogen engines, it'd be a perfect mix of a fuel engine and electrical sustainability.[/QUOTE] uh what
[QUOTE=Uncle Bourbon;34127601]lol do you seriously think you'll get all the gasoline when everyone else switches to an electric car?[/QUOTE] You assume that everyone will switch to an electric car. However I have a feeling that so long as there is oil left, there will be a lot of people who prefer ICE vehicles, and do you honestly think that all the oil companies will suddenly say "Hey guys, lets abandon all those refineries we have spent billions on over the past 100 years, cause electric cars are better!". I doubt that, more likely is that even after the electric car becomes popular, there will be a large group of people all over the world who will not switch to them. And there will be companies that will still drill for and refine the oil so that they can continue to drive there vehicles. However if lets say only 10% of the world still drives ICE cars, well than, the rate of oil consumption will go down drastically, and therefore it will last longer. And even if for some random reason everybody decides they want to go to electric, then I will just convert my car to diesel and run bio-fuel. Simple as that. I still fail to see why people have to try and tell others why there wrong, when its a matter of personal choice. Besides, if its not broken don't fix it. And as far as I am concerned the engine in my car works fine. And when it goes bad I will rebuild it for less than the cost of a new car, electric or not. And I will continue to do that, because I want to.
Why would you bother with a hydrogen fueled internal combustion engine, considering the massive cost of rolling out hydrogen infrastructure. Unless you meant fuel cell tech, in which case there would only be one engine, which would be electric. [editline]10th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=CK5;34129020][B]if its not broken don't fix it.[/B] [/QUOTE] a phrase which has propelled humanity very far
[QUOTE=CK5;34129020][b]You assume that everyone will switch to an electric car.[/b] However I have a feeling that so long as there is oil left, there will be a lot of people who prefer ICE vehicles, and do you honestly think that all the oil companies will suddenly say "Hey guys, lets abandon all those refineries we have spent billions on over the past 100 years, cause electric cars are better!". I doubt that, more likely is that even after the electric car becomes popular, there will be a large group of people all over the world who will not switch to them. And there will be companies that will still drill for and refine the oil so that they can continue to drive there vehicles. However if lets say only 10% of the world still drives ICE cars, well than, the rate of oil consumption will go down drastically, and therefore it will last longer. And even if for some random reason everybody decides they want to go to electric, then I will just convert my car to diesel and run bio-fuel. Simple as that. I still fail to see why people have to try and tell others why there wrong, when its a matter of personal choice. Besides, if its not broken don't fix it. And as far as I am concerned the engine in my car works fine. And when it goes bad I will rebuild it for less than the cost of a new car, electric or not. And I will continue to do that, because I want to.[/QUOTE] i thought you assumed that
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34127795]I like my air pollution, i love noise pollution, I love inefficiency, I love the wasted energy, the experience. That's- But- What? Vehicles are tools to get from point A to B...[/QUOTE] To you perhaps, to me vehicles are much more than tools. I'm gonna let Jeremy Clarkson back me up here, since i don't know how to word it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avoCP2aZFB8[/media]
Just wait until the Gas Companies run out of gas. And we will have who to blame for blocking all these breakthroughs.
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