• Fueled by Trump’s Tweets, Anthem Protests Grow to a Nationwide Rebuke
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[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] And how long do you suppose that will last?
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52723803]You can't get from America to Argentina for $500, never mind what you'll do once you get there with nothing but the clothes on your back. The context was a Canadian telling Americans they're too timid to move away if they don't like their country. Venezuelans escaping to Argentina is a very different situation.[/QUOTE] I thought he meant arriving to the country with 500$ bucks. Yes, not including the air travel costs is quite retarded. Why did most Venezuelans come to Argentina, CABA? Not Paraguay, not Chile, not Brazil? Because you can get a cheap place to stay, it's of the most (if not the most) liberal cities in LATAM and there already a lot of foreigners living, working and studying here. The citizenship is not free yet you can get it after staying for 60 days. It costs 2060 pesos. That's 114 bucks. FFS, Chileans and Brazilians come here to study Medicine at the UBA, for [B]free[/B], and then they go back to their country to earn a fuckton of money. Of course the Venezuela situation is different. But wanting to have a better life is not different in any country. Many times here and in Reddit I have read about people who had a STEM degree and were unemployed or doing a shitty job and not happy with their lives. When told about how easy it would be for them to find a job and work here, the stupid answer was "But in the US I [B][I]could[/I][/B] get the same job for 10 times the salary". Leaving aside the 500 dollars extreme scenario, there are lot of options that people could take to improve their lives in the US, yet they don't take them. For example, emigrating to a country where they could find a job and live a much better life than their current one.
[quote=frostzshock]And how long do you suppose that will last?[/quote] I just get reminded of the L4D2 debacle.
i can't believe this is even a fucking debate. they're not breaking a law to kneel. it's their freedom of speech. Their freedom of protest. Today while at school, (spirit week here, today was "USA Day" where you wear red/white/blue/flag/whatever) a kid who carried a tattered and ripped flag set it on the ground to yell at someone who said that NFL players are within their rights to kneel. if that isn't a great tl;dr of this situation, i don't know what is
[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] I don't get how it impacts the actual football part of the game.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52724109]I don't get how it impacts the actual football part of the game.[/QUOTE] Their misplaced sense of American exceptionalism and faux-patriotism overrides logic.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] well those 10 people are petty losers [editline]27th September 2017[/editline] They’re entitled to their right to not watch but they’re still petty losers
[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] Specifically because of this kneeling thing? Bizarre. Literally no one I know who watches football hasn't really said anything about it. My one coworker is a huge Cowboys fan and when I asked him if he is going to stop watching he said no. [editline]27th September 2017[/editline] I can't imagine watching a sport every week for presumably several years, decades even, then just stopping because some of the players kneel during the national anthem.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52724761]Specifically because of this kneeling thing? Bizarre. Literally no one I know who watches football hasn't really said anything about it. My one coworker is a huge Cowboys fan and when I asked him if he is going to stop watching he said no. [editline]27th September 2017[/editline] I can't imagine watching a sport every week for presumably several years, decades even, then just stopping because some of the players kneel during the national anthem.[/QUOTE] Where I live there's a lot of regular people going "FULL ON" its just a shame to be so disrectful" Which is code for "I might not be pro trump everything, but I'm deciding to be on the 100% other side of this one out of spite."
[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] They completely stopped watching a sport they were otherwise engrossed in because some players knelt down at one point? That's almost impressively petty.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;52724906]They completely stopped watching a sport they were otherwise engrossed in because some players knelt down at one point? That's almost impressively petty.[/QUOTE] You're right its petty but imo wrong that they cared about football Football is bro culture. They just decided football isn't anymore to them. It's like if a popular Dota streamer was an American redneck type guy and people quit because they didn't like "them" having a voice in their games streams. Sports are about bring us together you ever hear about the Olympics? I dont know why its not obvious so yea, I'm agreeing its super damn petty but I think like with my example the people quitting were the bandwaggoners anwyway.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52723835]-Argentina stuff-[/QUOTE] Fair enough, and I'm absolutely sure that there are some nations on this planet where, if you stepped in the country with a visitor's visa and $500 and you really had the drive to make it work, you could turn that $500 into a healthy, comfortable lifestyle and obtain permanent citizenship. Sure, that's definitely a thing, as long as you ignore the travel costs involved. It's certainly possible if you are in the right situation. However... [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52723835]there are lot of options that people could take to improve their lives in the US, yet they don't take them. For example, emigrating to a country where they could find a job and live a much better life than their current one.[/QUOTE] Everyone ripping on grob is making more or less the same point: unless you're a single adult with no debts, you can't just get up and fuck off to another country on a whim. If you have debts, you can't just up and leave. If you have kids, you can't just up and leave. If you're in post-secondary education, even if your credits transfer 100% to an institution in the country you intend to move to, it's still not as simple as just up and leaving. You also have to be able to get along in the country. If you have the right connections and the right skills and qualifications, you can probably make a shitton of money in Saudi Arabia, primarily if you're a male. Saudi Arabia also has regular public executions and you may find yourself dragged to one. Not everyone can stomach witnessing organized beheadings. You might find great employment opportunities in India, but you also have to deal with India's... unique challenges and solutions for hygiene and sanitation, plus the fairly high chance that you'll be pickpocketed by street children for looking like a rich tourist. Not everyone can take advantage of the same opportunities so it's not as simple as people not taking them and then whining at how their life sucks. And this is exactly the simplistic, privileged viewpoint grob doubled down on that started this whole side conversation. Every time there's a US election, there are [I]always[/I] tons of people threatening to move to Canada if their preferred candidate loses, doesn't matter who's running or what year it is. They also sometimes threaten it when an unpopular law is passing (such as same-sex marriage -- I hope nobody clued in the people who threatened to move to Canada if America legalized gay marriage. :v:) The number of people who actually follow through on those threats in a given year is probably in the low or at best mid hundreds, and that's because moving to Canada isn't just a thing you do on a Tuesday morning; you're upending your entire life. It's easy to say "well, if you don't like it, move" but it's a hell of a lot harder to actually do it. And that's been the main point of the argument against what grob said. [QUOTE=MedicWine;52725228]You're right its petty but wrong that they cared about football Football is bro culture. They just decided football isn't anymore to them. It's like if a popular Dota streamer was an American redneck type guy and people quit because they didn't like "them" having a voice in their games streams. Sports are about bring us together you ever hear about the Olympics? I dont know why its not obvious so yea, I'm agreeing its super damn petty but I think like with my example the people quitting were the bandwaggoners anwyway.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure this is like, the textbook definition of "a fairweather fan".
Unfortunately the US doesn't keep emigration statistics so we don't know how many people have left year-to-year.
[QUOTE=grob;52721554]But you said you would move if you could as if something is stopping you. You can drop your life and start over with $500; you are just gonna have to broaden your horizons and lower your standards. Oh no, you don't want to do that though because you want to be comfortable; and I guarantee that's the only reason. Seems like when you go down the list; where you're at is actually pretty fucking sweet. You should be grateful to be honest haha. I think it's silly to complain like you did.[/QUOTE] have you ever moved out of your country and lived anywhere else serious question
[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] Yet viewership was up. Maybe it's a good thing then, like an idiot cull.
[QUOTE=grob;52721554]But you said you would move if you could as if something is stopping you. You can drop your life and start over with $500; you are just gonna have to broaden your horizons and lower your standards. Oh no, you don't want to do that though because you want to be comfortable; and I guarantee that's the only reason. Seems like when you go down the list; where you're at is actually pretty fucking sweet. You should be grateful to be honest haha. I think it's silly to complain like you did.[/QUOTE] You act like having a worse life after moving out of your home country and dropping your whole life proves your country of birth is better than anywhere else somehow. You are aware that someone migrating into your current country of birth on the same premise would face the exact same issues right? People are saying that they would gladly move to a country not run by retards who are hellbent on making life hard for them if they could do so without giving up their entire life and living in poverty- and you are responding by saying "well you could, you would just have to live in poverty and give up your life! haha gotcha!"
[QUOTE]You also have to be able to get along in the country. If you have the right connections and the right skills and qualifications, you can probably make a shitton of money in Saudi Arabia, primarily if you're a male. Saudi Arabia also has regular public executions and you may find yourself dragged to one. Not everyone can stomach witnessing organized beheadings. You might find great employment opportunities in India, but you also have to deal with India's... unique challenges and solutions for hygiene and sanitation, plus the fairly high chance that you'll be pickpocketed by street children for looking like a rich tourist.[/QUOTE] And that's what I'm saying! That Argentina doesn't have anything of that and even without a university degree you can easily find a job here working at retail or any kind of service. Because we need people who speak English, and we lack them. Not to mention the demand for those who have IT skill. Ok, you won't be living near Silicon Valley, but it's not anything like going into the jungle and living in a mud hut. Even a simple internship nowadays at a PYME (Small and medium enterprise) is asking for a B1. And right now some jobs if you don't have C1 or more, will exclude you. Notice I'm only mentioning Argentina because it is truly a unique case in the world. For now. I have done the research (As I am planning on emigrating to Germany or NZ) and for someone who is in the lowest bottom of the society and wants to climb up, it's the best alternative. No other country offers the same mix of free public services, job market and at least a decent life standard (Only CABA, not counting the other cities). [QUOTE]Not everyone can take advantage of the same opportunities so it's not as simple as people not taking them and then whining at how their life sucks. And this is exactly the simplistic, privileged viewpoint grob doubled down on that started this whole side conversation. [/QUOTE] Yes, I agree. Particularly on the: [QUOTE] If you have debts, you can't just up and leave. If you have kids, you can't just up and leave. If you're in post-secondary education, even if your credits transfer 100% to an institution in the country you intend to move to, it's still not as simple as just up and leaving.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] That's very hard to believe Not once in my life have I met a sports fan that was both this dedicated to watching it, and this ready to give it up
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52725640]have you ever moved out of your country and lived anywhere else serious question[/QUOTE] Dude. The fact that he said "You can drop your life and start over with $500" means he's never even had a fucking job, nor held any financial responsibility whatsoever.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52723818]I personally know at least 10 people who went from weekly football watchers to stopping altogether.[/QUOTE] They'll be back in a week or two.
Walked past my roommate talking with a friend and he's convinced that: A: The kneeling is calling the flag itself and everyone in America racist. B: That if/when war with north korea breaks out all the football players who kneel and anyone who refuses to emphatically acknowledge the flag is going to be put in jail because of the Espionage and Sedition act. Now that's not going to happen, but I fucking [I]dare[/I] the government to try it, rofl.
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