• Israel willing to resort to military action to stop Iran acquiring nuclear weapons: minister
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[QUOTE]TOKYO (Reuters) - Israel is willing to resort to military action to ensure Iran never acquires nuclear weapons, the intelligence minister said on Thursday in Japan where he is seeking backing for U.S. President Donald Trump’s tougher line on Tehran. Trump said on Oct. 13 he would not certify Iran is complying with an agreement on curtailing its nuclear program, signed by his predecessor, Barack Obama, opening a 60-day window for Congress to act to reimpose sanctions. “If international efforts led these days by U.S. President Trump don’t help stop Iran attaining nuclear capabilities, Israel will act militarily by itself,” Intelligence Minister Israel Katz said in an interview in Tokyo. “There are changes that can be made (to the agreement) to ensure that they will never have the ability to have a nuclear weapon.” Israel has taken unilateral action in the past without the consent of its major ally, the United States, including air strikes on a suspected nuclear reactor in Syria in 2007 and in Iraq in 1981. A strike against Iran, however, would be a risky venture with the potential to provoke a counter strike and roil financial markets. An Israeli threat of military strikes could, nonetheless, galvanize support in the United States for toughening up the nuclear agreement but it could also backfire by encouraging hardliners in Iran and widening a rift between Washington and European allies. So far, none of the other signatories to the deal - Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, Iran and the European Union - has cited serious concerns, leaving the United States isolated. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-israel/israel-willing-to-resort-to-military-action-to-stop-iran-acquiring-nuclear-weapons-minister-idUSKBN1CV0ZG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=59f1a9ed04d3012f125d61e4&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook"]Reuters.[/URL]
I got a Pip-Boy for my birthday. Totally ready for a nuclear holocaust. Go get em, Bibi!
Well, they done it before so this shouldn't be shocking. [b]Edit:[/b] Scratch that, they've done it before to Iraq, not Iran. Similar situation though and Iran also attacked the same reactor Israel destroyed.
So why is Israel allowed to have nuclear weapons while Iran isn't?
[QUOTE=joost1120;52822900]So why is Israel allowed to have nuclear weapons while Iran isn't?[/QUOTE] But Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons. /s
[QUOTE=joost1120;52822900]So why is Israel allowed to have nuclear weapons while Iran isn't?[/QUOTE] Because Israel is a stable country not run by fundamentalist lunatics that hasn't threatened to eradicate other nations, to the point where they deny even having nuclear weapons.
[QUOTE=download;52822887]Well, they done it before so this shouldn't be shocking. [b]Edit:[/b] Scratch that, they've done it before to Iraq, not Iran. Similar situation though and Iran also attacked the same reactor Israel destroyed.[/QUOTE] Also to [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard"]Syria[/URL]. [editline]26th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=download;52822956]Because Israel is a stable country not run by fundamentalist lunatics that hasn't threatened to eradicate other nations, to the point where they deny even having nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] Not deny, just vague about it. Like, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#Policy"]neither confirm nor deny[/URL].
[QUOTE=download;52822956]Because Israel is a stable country not run by fundamentalist lunatics that hasn't threatened to eradicate other nations.[/quote] Are we thinking about the same country?
[QUOTE=Faunze;52822997]Are we thinking about the same country?[/QUOTE] When was the last time Israel threatened to wipe out another nation? When was the last time Israel hung people in the streets for being gay, or apostasy or being an atheist? When was the last time Israel had a coup? [QUOTE=ScumBunny;52822976] Not deny, just vague about it. Like, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#Policy"]neither confirm nor deny[/URL].[/QUOTE] Eh, the point I was trying to make is it's difficult to threaten someone with nuclear weapons if you don't claim to have them.
They've done it before in 81. They'll do it again. [editline]26th October 2017[/editline] As in bomb iranian nuclear stuff.
I still can't comprehend countr(ies) being dumb enough to think attacking the guys who have the backing of the US, a boatload of weapons, "not a nuke", and a damn missile shield to be a good idea. Like did you not learn the first half dozen times? (Edit: Yes i'm aware the missiles/shield/etc. Came later)
[QUOTE=joost1120;52822900]So why is Israel allowed to have nuclear weapons while Iran isn't?[/QUOTE] cuz they got their shit together a little better than them maybe? Don't get me wrong, I would love to live in a world where Iran could have nukes and be trusted with em, but honestly I'd put my trust behind Israel, because they seem to have a level head most of the time. Where as Iran has alot of shit its gotta deal with first, I mean it's like they can never catch a break, there's always some Al-qadia clone or isis clone popping up and making it harder for the people. And im not expert, I mean in general the middle east has a hard time with shit.
[QUOTE=Faunze;52822997]Are we thinking about the same country?[/QUOTE] Which nation has Israel threatened to eradicate?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52824188]Which nation has Israel threatened to eradicate?[/QUOTE] Palestine, slowly.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;52823987]cuz they got their shit together a little better than them maybe? Don't get me wrong, I would love to live in a world where Iran could have nukes and be trusted with em, but honestly I'd put my trust behind Israel, because they seem to have a level head most of the time. Where as Iran has alot of shit its gotta deal with first, I mean it's like they can never catch a break, there's always some Al-qadia clone or isis clone popping up and making it harder for the people. And im not expert, I mean in general the middle east has a hard time with shit.[/QUOTE] I still don't trust a country that has invaded and occupied (and is still occupying) the countries around it several times in the last 50 years. Iran violates international human rights with it's backwards laws and punishments, but Israel violates it by indiscriminately targeting civilian housing, blockading the Gaza strip and firing at civilians near it's borders without warning. There's supposedly a 300 meter buffer zone for civilians and a 100 meter buffer zone for farmers (although the soldiers have no way of distinguishing the two), but up to 1.5km is at risk of being shot by Israeli soldiers at the border. At least Iran is honest about it. I don't agree with it, but at least you know you're probably going to be prosecuted for being an atheist or gay. With Israel, you just never know. One day they're randomly shooting civilians from the borders, the next they're poisoning farms or bombing schools. I don't think either country is allowed to have nuclear weapons. And Israel very likely has had them since the '70s. They've been trying to maintain their nuclear superiority since then, by bombing production plants, assassinating several scientists and launching malware attacks like Stuxnet. Looking further into Israel's neighbours' nuclear past makes Israel look even more sketchy. So many attempts at creating nuclear powerplants or weapons have been stopped by bombings, hacks, poisonings or car bombs.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52824188]Which nation has Israel threatened to eradicate?[/QUOTE] They've been erasing Palestine for the better part of the 20th century
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;52824949]They've been erasing Palestine for the better part of the 20th century[/QUOTE] Palestine was never a nation?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52825640]Palestine was never a nation?[/QUOTE] On it's own, not really. Palestine was always part of some larger empire or other entity, most recently Mandatory Palestine under the administration of the British Empire. When Britain was unable to maintain any peace in Palestine, they announced their formal withdrawal from the region, and the end of Mandatory Palestine. The UN proposed a two-state solution which the Jewish leaders accepted, but Arab leaders rejected. Upon British withdrawal Jewish leaders went ahead to form Israel anyway, and rather than declare statehood for Palestine, Arab leaders declared war on Israel with the intention of slaughtering the Jews and taking all of Palestine.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52825792]On it's own, not really. Palestine was always part of some larger empire or other entity, most recently Mandatory Palestine under the administration of the British Empire. When Britain was unable to maintain any peace in Palestine, they announced their formal withdrawal from the region, and the end of Mandatory Palestine. The UN proposed a two-state solution which the Jewish leaders accepted, but Arab leaders rejected. Upon British withdrawal Jewish leaders went ahead to form Israel anyway, and rather than declare statehood for Palestine, Arab leaders declared war on Israel with the intention of slaughtering the Jews and taking all of Palestine.[/QUOTE] It does seem kind of rude to barge in and say you own the palce.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52825989]It does seem kind of rude to barge in and say you own the palce.[/QUOTE] There was already loads of Jews in the region. Don't pretend they all moved from Europe after WW2.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52825989]It does seem kind of rude to barge in and say you own the palce.[/QUOTE] I'll never know what this conversation gains from starting "teh occupation!!1" discussion all over again. This just derails every fucking thread to useless bickering. Unlike joost who is full of shit claiming stuff like shooting Palestinian farmers who are 1km from the border and somehow thinks that being an outsider makes his opinion more worth than actual people who live here, i didn't see the Israeli government continually dick waved people with their nukes and threatening other nations with total annihilation. Unlike FUCKING IRAN who does this every year, Israel has the right to be worried.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52825989]It does seem kind of rude to barge in and say you own the palce.[/QUOTE] There were already Jews and of course Arabs there, that's why Britain was unable to keep peace in the first place. The conflict predates Israel's formation, it was just ethnic paramilitary groups until Israel formed, then it was armies.
[QUOTE=RzDat;52826679]I'll never know what this conversation gains from starting "teh occupation!!1" discussion all over again. This just derails every fucking thread to useless bickering. Unlike joost who is full of shit claiming stuff like shooting Palestinian farmers who are 1km from the border and somehow thinks that being an outsider makes his opinion more worth than actual people who live here, i didn't see the Israeli government continually dick waved people with their nukes and threatening other nations with total annihilation. Unlike FUCKING IRAN who does this every year, Israel has the right to be worried.[/QUOTE] It's always funny how you claim you supposedly know everything and your opinion is worth more than other people's. Israel has a right to be worried, as does every other country whose neighbours are developing nuclear weapons. But does it give Israel the right to assassinate Iran's scientists, bomb a factory in France that's developing a nuclear reactor for Iraq or launch airstrikes at it's neighbours? Lets not talk about Israel's other sketchy actions towards the Gaza strip, this thread isn't about that. Lets think about Iran's situation in this. They know Israel has nuclear weapons, that they have refused to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty and have refused to open their nuclear facilities to inspection, all while threatening to strike their neighbours with airstrikes, planting car bombs and performing assassinations. So what makes you think Israel is allowed to have nuclear capabilities while Iran isn't?
[QUOTE=joost1120;52826744]It's always funny how you claim you supposedly know everything and your opinion is worth more than other people's. Israel has a right to be worried, as does every other country whose neighbours are developing nuclear weapons. But does it give Israel the right to assassinate Iran's scientists, bomb a factory in France that's developing a nuclear reactor for Iraq or launch airstrikes at it's neighbours? Lets not talk about Israel's other sketchy actions towards the Gaza strip, this thread isn't about that. Lets think about Iran's situation in this. They know Israel has nuclear weapons, that they have refused to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty and have refused to open their nuclear facilities to inspection, all while threatening to strike their neighbours with airstrikes, planting car bombs and performing assassinations. So what makes you think Israel is allowed to have nuclear capabilities while Iran isn't?[/QUOTE] I don't claim to have a better opinion, its just that thinking that you know everything just by reading biased news sources like Al Jazeera and using ridiculous one sided politics while not living inside the conflict zone and not taking part of it yourself is utterly stupid. Unless you prove your knowledge by any kind of visit here or seeing stuff yourself, your opinion is worth nothing to me personally. Telling biased news such as shoot to kill policies in the Gaza strip border is disgusting especially when you didnt step a foot in there. To answer your question, its fairly simple. I have my large share of trust on Israel- a stable, democratic, westernized country that supports gay rights and women's freedom rights rather than Iran- a radical islamist country that throughout the ages proved it cannot be trusted as it funds terrorist organizations such as hezbollla to fight against Israel AND SUPPORTED the arab armies against the annihilation of the jewish state during its wars. Not to mention the large speeches preaching its destruction and constant threatening of a nuclear war. So yeah, same reason why you should be worried about North Korea having nuclear weapons. You will never trust a country with a large army and a dictator with a hate boner to have nukes to use them right away.
[QUOTE=download;52822956]Because Israel is a stable country not run by fundamentalist lunatics that hasn't threatened to eradicate other nations, to the point where they deny even having nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] But they literally just threatened war?
[QUOTE=RzDat;52827178]I don't claim to have a better opinion, its just that thinking that you know everything just by reading biased news sources like Al Jazeera and using ridiculous one sided politics while not living inside the conflict zone and not taking part of it yourself is utterly stupid. Unless you prove your knowledge by any kind of visit here or seeing stuff yourself, your opinion is worth nothing to me personally. Telling biased news such as shoot to kill policies in the Gaza strip border is disgusting especially when you didnt step a foot in there. To answer your question, its fairly simple. I have my large share of trust on Israel- a stable, democratic, westernized country that supports gay rights and women's freedom rights rather than Iran- a radical islamist country that throughout the ages proved it cannot be trusted as it funds terrorist organizations such as hezbollla to fight against Israel AND SUPPORTED the arab armies against the annihilation of the jewish state during its wars. Not to mention the large speeches preaching its destruction and constant threatening of a nuclear war. So yeah, same reason why you should be worried about North Korea having nuclear weapons. You will never trust a country with a large army and a dictator with a hate boner to have nukes to use them right away.[/QUOTE] Of course someone from Israel is going to defend Israel. I wouldn't expect it any other way. But please try to look past your claims of fake news etc, and look at the actual facts. [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm"]Israel has bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities[/URL] [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/16/iran-scientists-state-sponsored-murder"]Several scientists from Iran have been assassinated. [/URL][URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/11/secret-war-iran-timeline-attacks"]Not just random deaths,[/URL][URL="http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2104372,00.html"] they have been shot in driveby's[/URL], [URL="https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/the-undeclared-war-on-irans-nuclear-program/article4210032/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&"]killing by magnetic bombs attached to their cars and radiation poisoning. [/URL] Israel is deliberately ambiguous about it's nuclear capabilities and their targeted attacks on foreign soil. They flat out refuse to confirm or deny anything about it. I don't trust such a country. Period.
Ok everyone I think it's important to inform you that the "Ministry of Intelligence" is a ministry founded in 2009 in order to hand out a job for a minister who was left with no primary responsibility. Basically, The minister of intelligence has no real authority nor capability to make a decision related to the security of the country. So what happened here is that a random quote from an irrelevant minister got turned into a sensational headline.
[QUOTE=Kero_;52828461]Ok everyone I think it's important to inform you that the "Ministry of Intelligence" is a ministry founded in 2009 in order to hand out a job for a minister who was left with no primary responsibility. Basically, The minister of intelligence has no real authority nor capability to make a decision related to the security of the country. So what happened here is that a random quote from an irrelevant minister got turned into a sensational headline.[/QUOTE] That's technically true, but it's just another link in a very long chain of statements by government officials in this administrations, especially by Netanyahu himself, (and by the Iranian administration of course) that serve only to fan the flames and make this "cold war" between Israel and Iran worse. Eventually something will have to give.
[QUOTE=Kero_;52828461]Ok everyone I think it's important to inform you that the "Ministry of Intelligence" is a ministry founded in 2009 in order to hand out a job for a minister who was left with no primary responsibility. Basically, The minister of intelligence has no real authority nor capability to make a decision related to the security of the country. So what happened here is that a random quote from an irrelevant minister got turned into a sensational headline.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/feb/21/20050221-123842-3048r/"]That's why it's so terrible that this has been going on since before 2009.[/URL] [URL="https://web.archive.org/web/20071105181258/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2007%2F02%2F24%2Fwiran124.xml"]And more than once too[/URL]
[QUOTE=Kljunas;52827265]But they literally just threatened war?[/QUOTE] Wouldn't you? Against the country whose officials repeatedly make statements about their desire to [I]completely eradicate [/I]Israel? Would you be all neutral and cooperating then? Israel is quite small. It would take only a single thermonuclear weapon to seriously whack it out of balance, and only a few more to literally vaporize all its population centers and its ten million or so inhabitants.
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