• NFL owners to mull anthem rules as Trump ups protest criticism
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[QUOTE]WASHINGTON (Reuters) - NFL team owners will consider requiring football players to stand for the U.S. national anthem after President Donald Trump on Tuesday suggested using tax laws to penalize the league for players who kneel in protest of racial injustice. Trump, a Republican, escalated his feud with the National Football League in a Twitter post asking if the league should get tax breaks while some athletes kneel in protest when the “Star-Spangled Banner” is played at the start of each game. “Why is the NFL getting massive tax breaks while at the same time disrespecting our Anthem, Flag and Country? Change tax law!” Trump wrote on Twitter. The world’s top-grossing sports league gave up its tax-free status two years ago. Its owners are preparing to address the anthem issue at their fall meeting in New York Oct. 17-18, NFL chief spokesman Joe Lockhart told reporters on a conference call on Tuesday. “Everyone at this point is frustrated by the situation,” Lockhart said. “The commissioner and the owners do want the players to stand. We think it is an important part of the game.” The protests, in a league where African-Americans make up the majority of players, have continued through the season, with some players taking a knee when the anthem is played and others standing arm-in-arm in solidarity. Current policy calls for players to stand for the anthem and face the flag, but no player has been disciplined for a protest, Lockhart said.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nfl-anthem/nfl-owners-to-mull-anthem-rules-as-trump-ups-protest-criticism-idUSKBN1CF15W?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=59dca96104d3016e96d43334&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook"]Reuters.[/URL]
No balls.
If the NFL goes through with this, it'll just prove to Trump that he can get whatever he wants by being a massive bully. Please don't.
I hope players quit in protest, then the fans will really have screwed the pooch. Unlikely, but one can hope.
I hope all the players collectively tell Trump AND the NFL to go fuck themselves. Boy, wouldn't it be funny to see the cash cow that is the NFL fucking implode cause of this?
Haven't NFL players organized a strike before? Do it again. Edit: Seems the event I remembered was the 2011 lockout, when the Players Association and team owners couldn't come to an agreement, the owners locked the players out of facilities and from seeing team doctors and the like.
If this occurs, it will mean that the Trump Administration will have declared open war on the first amendment, using its executive weight to force non-government entities to censor critical speech or suffer undue tax burdens. We [B]must[/B] not let this happen. This will be the first [I]real[/I] blow to our first amendment rights under Trump, but [I]far[/I] from the last. If Trump gets his way on this, he'll take aim at higher goals -- going after journalists with more than just the empty threats and scare tactics he's leveraged so far. I don't care how much you love our flag or anthem: we are staring down the barrel of having our [I]most important[/I] and [I]most basic[/I] right ripped away from us. The freedom of speech is the first line of defense against tyranny. Democracy dies in darkness. Do [I]not[/I] let this happen.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52773650]If this occurs, it will mean that the Trump Administration will have declared open war on the first amendment, using its executive weight to force non-government entities to censor critical speech or suffer undue tax burdens. We [B]must[/B] not let this happen. This will be the first [I]real[/I] blow to our first amendment rights under Trump, but [I]far[/I] from the last. If Trump gets his way on this, he'll take aim at higher goals -- going after journalists with more than just the empty threats and scare tactics he's leveraged so far. I don't care how much you love our flag or anthem: we are staring down the barrel of having our [I]most important[/I] and [I]most basic[/I] right ripped away from us. The freedom of speech is the first line of defense against tyranny. Democracy dies in darkness. Do [I]not[/I] let this happen.[/QUOTE] It's a real shame that the same users who fervently defended the first amendment during the Charlottesville protests even though they "don't support nazis" have suddenly disappeared. These national anthem threads seem to die within a page or two but neo-nazi threads have tens of pages of debate over what is acceptable free speech. I wonder where those guys went.
no litterally the only person frustrated is one donald j trump. stand up, the president is not fucking ceasar
[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;52773690]It's a real shame that the same users who fervently defended the first amendment during the Charlottesville protests even though they "don't support nazis" have suddenly disappeared. These national anthem threads seem to die within a page or two but neo-nazi threads have tens of pages of debate over what is acceptable free speech. I wonder where those guys went.[/QUOTE] Someone usually has to disagree for there to be pages of argument. Plenty of people in those threads wanted the free speech rights of the neo-nazis limited and said as much early on, providing a point for pro-free speech people (including myself) to argue against. Here, there seems to be no disagreement, the NFL shouldn't do this and trump pressuring the NFL to do so is heinous.
As I said in the Pence thread, absolute cowardice. They either should have come down hard on the protests initially and made it a rule before the season began, or stick to their guns on unity and freedom of expression. Instead they do neither, waffling as soon as their ratings or taxpayer subsidies are threatened. In doing so throwing their players under the bus and gratifying the whims of a vocal minority who don't understand the slightest goddamned thing about being a true American. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52773650] I don't care how much you love our flag or anthem[/QUOTE] I'm pretty patriotic and disagree strongly with the reasons for the kneeling protestors. I won't go into why as to risk throwing this thread offtopic, but I'm really not on their side or sympathetic to their cause. That said, they are demonstrating in the most passive way imaginable; simply taking a knee during the National Anthem. As you and others have said, that's their right in this country. The NFL too has the right to mandate players stand for the anthem but forced patriotism isn't patriotism. As much as I disagree with them, I'd rather these players not show respect for the anthem then be forced to be patriotic, because that's not what this country is about.
[URL="http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/nflexempt.asp"]Daily reminder that the NFL gave up its tax-exempt status already and it only ever applied to the league entity and not the individual teams.[/URL] This is all about ratings and fan backlash. I don't know if the NFL even gets tax breaks; it'd be the ultimate in malevolence if Trump specifically instructed Congress to write in a punitive tax against the NFL if they don't behave. I'd insist on calling America "Tropico" instead of its real name at that point.
Pack up and get the hell out of this soon-to-be third world country, holy shit. Never thought I'd see America fall this far this fast.
Standing for the anthem means nothing if you're forced to do it.
I thought someone posted a link to a law earlier stating that Trump pressuring a non-government entity in this way was blatantly illegal? In any case this country is going to shit REALLY fast. 2 amendments from the bill of rights are already virtually irrelevant, and now 2 more are in imminent danger of being phased out.
God this shit sounds so fucking sad, it's such a 1st world problem, oh you can't kneel for the anthem, you have to stand or that's bad, fuck off, christ.
[QUOTE=IKTM;52773941]Standing for the anthem means nothing if you're forced to do it.[/QUOTE] If I stand and take a piss for the anthem will these people find it disrespectful? I doubt they have the cognitive skills to even look into it to see that deliberately taking a piss might be disrespectful, considering that they can't even be bothered to explore why the players are kneeling in the first place. To them, I'd still be on their "side" because I am standing. This is just the same braindead shit that this breed of "patriot" tends to throw around, just as they always have. Only this time they feel that they are proven right in their anger just because the president has joined in.
BLIND NATIONALISM OVER HUMAN LIVES CITIZENS YOU ARE FREE NOW PLEDGE YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO YOUR OVERLORDS [editline]12th October 2017[/editline] Just so there's no ambiguity, I'll state my opinion in plain words: compared to human lives, and compared to actual rights, the flag and the anthem mean absolutely fucking nothing. Not a thing. Nobody died so you could be shamed into doing a song and dance and praise your government's colors regardless of what they do. It's not disrespectful to anyone, living or dead, to exercise your rights to protest the government, and that includes the symbols of that government.
So nobody stops to think for a moment if the [I]president of the United States[/I] bullying NFL to do his bidding is an acceptable situation?
Nice effort by Trump to distract people from shit thats actually important. Looks like its working too
Protest this shit hard. Spread it around. Show them we [i]won't[/i] stand for it.
I'm going to laugh if the players currently kneeling change tact and stand, but face [i]away[/i] from the flag, to keep their protest alive while following the letter of the rule.
I mean the NFL has usually suppressed anything "outside the norm" IE can't wear stickers on your helmet for a cause, can't wear different colored shoes, etc etc. I sincerely think they've allowed the protests just to try to attract some more audience, and now that it's backfiring they're going to suppress it. The NFL is all about numbers, not politics or protests. Numbers are what make the league money, and if people aren't watching and aren't going, they aren't making any money, and the protest isn't being heard.
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52774111] Just so there's no ambiguity, I'll state my opinion in plain words: compared to human lives, and compared to actual rights, the flag and the anthem mean absolutely fucking nothing. Not a thing. Nobody died so you could be shamed into doing a song and dance and praise your government's colors regardless of what they do. It's not disrespectful to anyone, living or dead, to exercise your rights to protest the government, and that includes the symbols of that government.[/QUOTE] I'd make the argument that people who demand the players stand for the pledge are disrespecting the country more than the players who are kneeling tbh.
[QUOTE=IKTM;52773941]Standing for the anthem means nothing if you're forced to do it.[/QUOTE] Maybe stand up to the flag and anthem, but face the other way? I mean, Trump can keep moving the goalposts (heh) all he wants, but he isn't the only one that can play this game
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52774437]I'd make the argument that people who demand the players stand for the pledge are disrespecting the country more than the players who are kneeling tbh.[/QUOTE] I actively fought for the country and second your argument. I'm more offended by the people bitching than by the protests. Mostly because people DO have the right to protest, and the people protesting are doing it in the absolute right way. They aren't hurting anyone, they aren't blocking traffic, they aren't damaging property. Its literally an ideal protest, and people want to shut it down. So how would you prefer them to protest? By burning cities and maiming/killing others? By having strings of massive racial violence? Because that's what's going to happen if you eliminate the right to peacefully protest.
It's little things like this that slowly add up to a complete destruction of a country. (People like trump I mean, not the NFL) The US will never be the same as it once was.
[t]https://i.imgur.com/cKj2qvy.png[/t] Kinda relevant, especially the last point. There are no words to describe how stupid the NFL is if they do this.
Forced patriotism, nice. Has Trump even acknowledged the issue they're protesting?
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;52774190]Protest this shit hard. Spread it around. Show them we [i]won't[/i] stand for it.[/QUOTE] Enjoy your new tax, traitor This whole thing is painfully ironic. Land of the free, now I demand that you stand I was made to stand and say [quote]I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.[/quote] Every day, 5 days a week, from First grade all the way until my last day of high school. Public, tax funded, schools. To make anyone do that is bullshit, especially in a country that loves to rub in your face how free you are to not do it Protesting the government is not the same as disrespecting the military. The people who say it is are making that connection on their own and ignoring any context. Hell, the government itself disrespects the military. Using it to settle disagreements rather than defending any rights, not taking care of those who come back maimed afterwards....
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