• Usage-based-billing in Canada - a news and information compendium
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:siren:[b]For those who don't know what usage-based billing is, please [url=http://www.antiubb.com/]read this summary[/url] before continuing.[/b] Even if you are not Canadian, this may have a way of affecting you.:siren: :siren::siren:[highlight][b]UPDATE:[/b][/highlight] [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/tories-to-overturn-crtc-decision-on-bandwith-billing/article1892522/]Harper government - CRTC, rescind your decision or we'll do it for you.[/url]:siren::siren: [quote]The Harper government will overturn the CRTC’s decision that effectively ends “unlimited use” Internet plans if the regulator doesn’t rescind the decision itself. [/quote] ----- Michael Geist (a law professor who has become a figurehead for internet-related consumer rights in Canada) has recently posted [url=http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5611/125/]an editorial[/url] that attempts to clear up the myths surrounding usage-based-billing and reminds us that our internet is already one of the worst in the world. (What a nice guy) [quote]Over the past few weeks, public interest and concern with Internet bandwidth caps has hit a fever pitch as new ISP policies (Shaw and Primus announcing caps) and the CRTC decision on usage based billing has taken the issue to the mainstream - CBC's the National covered it, George Stroumboulopoulos discussed it, CBC's Spark talked to several players on the issue, the Globe has highlighted business concerns with bandwidth caps, and there have been numerous op-eds and media articles on the issue. The [url=http://openmedia.ca/meter]Stop the Meter Internet petition[/url] now has over 200,000 signatories and is growing fast, which may help explain why UBB has emerged as a political hot potato. The NDP was the first to raise it as a political issue, followed yesterday by a response from Industry Minister Tony Clement (who promised to study the decision carefully "to ensure that competition, innovation, and consumers were all fairly considered") and the Liberals, who called on the government to reverse the CRTC decision.[/quote] I strongly recommend you read [url=http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5611/125/]the entire article[/url] as these snippets won't do it justice. But one of the most important points is this: [quote]Fourth, arguments in support of UBB are frequently accompanied by the claim that the approach is like any other service - you pay for what you use. Yet Bell's UBB plan approved by the CRTC does not function like this at all. Its plan features a 60 GB cap with an overage charge for the next 20 GB. After 80 GB, there is no further cap until the user hits 300 GB. [b]In other words, using 80 GB and 300 GB costs the same thing.[/b][/quote] All Canadians already overpay for internet services and while we will likely end up paying more if UBB stands, we [del]will[/del] [del]may[/del] probably won't be less subject to the asinine bandwidth caps currently imposed by some of the major ISPs: [quote]As virtually every Canadian Internet user knows, the Canadian market is almost uniformly subject to bandwidth caps - the OECD reports that Canada stands virtually alone with near universal use of caps. The scale of the Canadian caps are particularly noteworthy - while Comcast in the U.S. imposes a 250 GB cap, Canadian ISPs offer a fraction of that number: [list] [*]Videotron starts at [b]3 GB[/b] for Basic Internet, 40 GB for its next plan and tops at [b]200 GB for very fast speeds at [highlight]$149/month[/highlight][/b] [*]Rogers Lite service caps at 15 GB, it fastest service stops at 175 GB [*]Bell's Essential Plus service offers a 2 GB per month cap, climbing to 75 GB for its fastest service[/list] [/quote] Therefore: [quote][b]Addressing the bandwidth cap concern involves far more than reversing the CRTC's poorly reasoned UBB decision.[/b][/quote] tl;dr? [quote]While there is great anger with the CRTC and the dominant ISPs, we should recognize that the current market is a product of years of regulatory neglect and policy choices that created one of the most converged communications markets in the world. As Canada's global rankings slide down, we are now paying the price for those choices and it will take a concerted policy effort by governments and regulators to put us back on course. [/quote] At this point you're probably wondering, is there good news? Well, there is. The Liberals and NDP have already spoken out against usage-based billing and just recently, [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/pm-orders-review-of-internet-billing/article1890567/]the conservatives have called for a review.[/url] So what can you do? Obviously, you should contact your local MP as well as the federal government and the CRTC. Instructions for how to do this can be found [url=http://www.antiubb.com/what-can-i-do/]here[/url]. For the truly lazy, there are also petitions you can sign. If you're Canadian you're probably overwhelmed by the amount of things happening to internet in our country lately. You may even have helped fight against Bill-C32, the "Canadian DMCA". Well don't quit yet, you're needed again. If this thread stays active I will try to post any updates and developments here instead of in new threads.
[url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/pm-orders-review-of-internet-billing/article1890567/[/url] Go King Harper!
I fucking hate our caps, everyone else (except Aussies) has unlimited bandwidth but we can't have it? Damn you CRTC :argh:
[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/small-isps-lament-crtc-fee-change-look-to-invest-in-own-infrastructure/article1868429/]Looks like there is a silver lining after all.[/url] This could spell the end of the telecom monopoly.
Limiting anyones Internet is fucking bullshit. Especially if the reason is greed.
It will be overturned, like the dmca bill Still, I signed the petition and will contact my local MP soon. I encourage all Canadians to do the same
[QUOTE=SteeleCratos;27802038]It will be overturned, like the dmca bill [/QUOTE] Bill C-32 wasn't overturned and will most likely pass this year. You're thinking of the old one. What we're fighting for in C-32 is the right to bypass DRM for personal use, and it looks like we will be getting it.
We've had this sort of thing in Australia for years now It sucks, but what can you do about it
If Rogers ever starts charging per-gb I'm burning down their headquarters.
Fucking Shaw your internet is already shitty if you start charging me per GB i'm gonna start a god damned war against you
[QUOTE=FunkyDisko77;27802394]Fucking Shaw your internet is already shitty if you start charging me per GB i'm gonna start a god damned war against you[/QUOTE] ya ya ^^^ lol!1
What if I get a virus and it starts using internet like crazy?
Egypt has it's internet shut off, there are riots. Canada has a internet usage-based billing change, we descend into chaos.
[QUOTE=FunkyDisko77;27802394]Fucking Shaw your internet is already shitty if you start charging me per GB i'm gonna start a god damned war against you[/QUOTE] not sure about prices (I obviously don't pay the bills), but speed for shaw is fine for me. Also, does this affect shaw in any way? does shaw already have these caps? I can't find any info on those questions.
Thank god we don't have internet caps here in Hungary. [editline]2nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Soviet Russia;27802768]not sure about prices (I obviously don't pay the bills), but speed for shaw is fine for me. Also, does this affect shaw in any way? does shaw already have these caps? I can't find any info on those questions.[/QUOTE] :google: [url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Shaw+internet+cap[/url] 3rd result has nice has detailed info on it.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png[/img] Relevant?
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;27802859][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png[/img_thumb] Relevant?[/QUOTE] Interesting.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;27802859][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png[/img_thumb] Relevant?[/QUOTE] If this is true then you guys are being robbed...
[QUOTE=sharzu;27803165]If this is true then you guys are being robbed...[/QUOTE] It is true, we are being robbed. Standard plans all now come with a 25gb cap imposed, then 2$/gb overage fee [editline]2nd February 2011[/editline] Also contacted my MP and Tony Clement do the same
As I was reading this my MP walked in the door of my store. I sold him some beer and told him to do something about it.
Ever since today, I've been curious on how much I use per a day. So a found a program that monitors your usage. Now, this UBB doesn't affect me because Telus refuses to do this, but nonetheless I am curious on how much I could owe. I know for a fact already that if I were to reformat my computer and not back up my games on steam, I would owe around $300 for one of the months on Shaw's basic internet service. ...Ouch. anyways, if you're curious about the program I'm using, you can go.[url=http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Network/nsl/Freeware.htm]here[/url] So far, I'm up to 856.1MB today... StarCraft 2 really does eat at your usage.
thanks for making this thread zeke, it was very necessary the article by michael geist was extremely informative and should be a mandatory read by any canadian who uses the internet and gives a fuck about this issue [highlight]hey canadians: got a problem with this?[/highlight] [B][U]do something about it. [/U]write to your MP, write to the CRTC, write to the government. zeke attached fucking instructions on how to do it. there's no reason not to. if you care about the problem, take steps towards fixing it.[/B] depending on the various parties' stance and aggressiveness toward this, my vote in the next election could very well be dependent on just this issue alone
Well this blows......for you guys. It'll soon hit us too in the States.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;27802859][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png[/img_thumb] Relevant?[/QUOTE] I printed that out and put it on the public notice board at the post office yesterday actually Thanks for finding it again
Already signed the petition at stopthemeter.ca and sent a letter to my MP earlier this week. For any other Canucks on FP we're getting together to protest the CRTC decision, there's a page up but the guy organizing it keeps changing and flip-flopping information. At one point it was the 12th on Parliament hill, then it is the 5th, now he saying we're not allowed to be on Parliament hill. The page is here if you plan on attending check it regularly, there's lots of people interested but the guy spearheading the thing is annoyingly unorganized. [URL="http://www.facebook.com/#%21/event.php?eid=130673687000309"]http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=130673687000309[/URL]
[QUOTE=Luuper;27803381]It is true, we are being robbed. Standard plans all now come with a 25gb cap imposed, then 2$/gb overage fee [editline]2nd February 2011[/editline] Also contacted my MP and Tony Clement do the same[/QUOTE] I'm fortunate that my ISP (Sasktel) doesn't plan on instituting any caps in my area yet. (Probably because the fastest available here is 1.5/.2) Definitely contact your government, and speak with your wallet if possible. Don't subscribe to anything with Bell written on it.
Bell and Rogers were charging overage back when I moved here in like 2002. This really didn't change anything for me except remove all the unlimited plans.
my mom threatened bell fibe 12 200gb bandwidth 40 dollars a month with dry band
you guys should really consider switching to an independent ISP, even just the first I looked at in my area offered a faster speed at a lower price, but the UBB issue is the deal breaker for me [url=http://www.canadianisp.ca/]this website[/url] can help you find one specific to your needs (what kind of connection, what price you want, even little things like voip accessibility, etc.) I'll be phoning around in the next few days and hopefully there will be at least one with an unlimited data option in my city shaw's not getting my fucking money
Hopefully a party other than the NDP gives a shit about this issue, because my local MP has no chance in hell of getting re elected next election I've already signed the petition and sent letters to my MP and Tony Clement, and I think a couple others if memory serves
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