• Microsoft: we got rid of the start button because people stopped using it
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[QUOTE][B]Why Microsoft killed the Windows Start button[/B] [IMG]http://photos.pcpro.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_PC_Pro/dir_360/it_photo_180007_50.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://sprites.pcpro.co.uk/images/blueArrow.gif[/IMG] [URL="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/news/375550/why-microsoft-killed-the-windows-start-button"]Gallery[/URL] By Barry Collins in AmsterdamPosted on 28 Jun 2012 at 09:00 Microsoft claims it took the controversial decision to remove the Start button from the traditional Windows desktop because people had stopped using it.The lack of a Start button on the Windows 8 desktop has been one of the most divisive elements of the new user interface. It had been widely assumed that Microsoft removed the Start button to force people to familiarise themselves with the new Metro Start screen, which is the centrepiece of the Windows 8 overhaul. However, speaking to [I]PC Pro[/I] at TechEd in Amsterdam, a senior Microsoft executive told us that the old Start menu had already fallen out of favour with users of Windows 7. "We’d seen the trend in Windows 7," said Chaitanya Sareen, principal program manager at Microsoft, referring to the telemetry gathered by the Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program. "When we evolved the taskbar we saw awesome adoption of pinning [applications] on the taskbar. We are seeing people pin like crazy. And so we saw the Start menu usage dramatically dropping, and that gave us an option. We’re saying 'look, Start menu usage is dropping, what can we do about it? What can we do with the Start menu to revive it, to give it some new identity, give it some new power?'""So I’m a desktop user, I pin the browser, Explorer, whatever my apps are. I don’t go the Start menu as often. If you’re going to the Start screen now, we’re going to unlock a whole new set of scenarios, or you can choose not to go there, stay in the desktop, and it’s still fast. You can’t beat the taskbar."Sareen also claims that people are taking advantage of keyboard shortcuts to open applications, instead of resorting to the Start menu. "Press the Windows key and 1 and you’re already in IE [if IE is the first item pinned to your taskbar]. It’s so fast." [B] Metro for desktops [/B] Sareen was also quick to dismiss criticism that the Metro interface is better suited to touchscreen devices than laptops and desktops.Demonstrations during the day had seen two Microsoft presenters struggle to make gesture controls work on laptop trackpads, with the Start screen intermittently failing to scroll when the presenters swiped two fingers across the trackpad, for instance. Sareen insisted that the touchpad drivers were still "very, very early" and were "still being refined".He also claimed that the Metro interface "really works well with the mouse and keyboard", highlighting features such as the option to search for applications simply by starting to type its name on the Metro Start screen. Read more: [URL="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/375550/why-microsoft-killed-the-windows-start-button#ixzz1z7Sg9TA8"]Why Microsoft killed the Windows Start button | News | PC Pro[/URL] [URL]http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/375550/why-microsoft-killed-the-windows-start-button#ixzz1z7Sg9TA8[/URL][/QUOTE] appealing to the lowest common denominator?
I for one use it all the time.
You're kidding right? I use the damn thing multiple times a day.
Stopped using it? I don't know what I'd do without it!
I love the Start menu. I only have two things pinned to my taskbar (Firefox and Steam) because I hate miss-clicking on shit.
Really, Microsoft? Honestly, I use the start button to find programs and stuff about 80% of the time. I would have no idea what to do without it. I'd be lost.
Uh, oh. You posted a thread about Windows 8. Watch as uninformed Facepunchers only read the title and go apeshit. But anyways they are right at least in the case of people I know. When I started using Windows 7 and got familiar with the start menu search, it became pretty much the only thing I used the start menu for. Seeing as how search works the same in Windows 8 I don't see the problem with removing the button (They really haven't removed it. In fact there are 2 start buttons in Windows 8) [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36538444]Stopped using it? I don't know what I'd do without it![/QUOTE] Press the Windows key? Use one of the two options for opening it with your mouse?
I tend to use Launchy but it is nice to have a start menu as well
So statistically speaking people were using the pin to taskbar rather than the Start menu. Not surprised considering how many people I've seen with pinned programs strewn about on their taskbar. I would like to point out that Microsoft didn't say people stopped using it, the person who wrote the article did. Microsoft said it was "we saw the Start menu usage dramatically dropping". And it's not even removed, it's still there. You click that space to the left of the first application and you open a menu to launch applications. You can also still WinKey it.
Fair enough, plenty of people have started using various dock applications. Also, apparently noone on FP knows how to use their keyboard
I dont think this is real. I just believe something so stupid like this can be real.
So metro is for people who only use their pc's for facebook, spotify and word. If you want to 8use more programms you have to take the long route.
I'll stay with my W7
The only thing I ever use the start menu for, is search. You just hit the windows key, and then start typing. It's the same in Win8 so I'm not complaining. Although it does look kinda weird without it.
[QUOTE=Warship;36538625]It's the same in Win8 so I'm not complaining.[/QUOTE] It's the same except with a fullscreen prompt. I can't think of any examples of fullscreens prompts being good.
[QUOTE=ProffesorAssHat;36538519]Hahaha oh wow I can't believe Microsoft actually expects us to believe this bullshit. Honestly, I use the start button to find programs and stuff about 80% of the time. I don't know what I would do without it. I'd be lost.[/QUOTE] oh no you've found us out! we actually just make up statistics about feature usage so that we can't make better products and sell them! [editline]28th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Warship;36538625]The only thing I ever use the start menu for, is search. You just hit the windows key, and then start typing. It's the same in Win8 so I'm not complaining. Although it does look kinda weird without it.[/QUOTE] Plus the new start screen provides a ton of information via live apps... I can just press my Win key to see the weather rather than open a webbrowser, etc.
People love to make a big deal about nothing.
I honestly hardly use the start button to activate programs, and find it frustratingly cluttered because of all of the programs which have installed icons to it without asking me. I pretty much only use it when I need to search. Not to say that it should be removed, of course.
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[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;36538642]It's the same except with a fullscreen prompt. I can't think of any examples of fullscreens prompts being good.[/QUOTE] After like 3 days of use you barely even have to use the start screen, loads more efficient. [editline]28th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=newbz;36538710]I do not see a reason for the Start button. Give me easy access to a file explorer with index searching and I'm ready to roll.[/QUOTE] Win8 has a new Explorer, also Win + E.
[QUOTE=Warship;36538625]The only thing I ever use the start menu for, is search. You just hit the windows key, and then start typing. It's the same in Win8 so I'm not complaining. Although it does look kinda weird without it.[/QUOTE]This so much
i never use the start button, and i dont really give a fuck ill use win8, since it will be better in most aspects than w7
I use the start button all the time. It's so simple and efficient.
[QUOTE=Wormy;36538816]I use the start button all the time. It's so simple and efficient.[/QUOTE] So is hitting the windows key :v Not to mention the start button is still there, a pop up slides up when you drag your mouse to the corner, clicking opens the menu
[QUOTE=ProffesorAssHat;36538519]Hahaha oh wow I can't believe Microsoft actually expects us to believe this bullshit. Honestly, I use the start button to find programs and stuff about 80% of the time. I would have no idea what to do without it. I'd be lost.[/QUOTE] Yes obviously they are lying through their teeth because they hate you, the consumer, that throws money at them
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;36538853]So is hitting the windows key :v Not to mention the start button is still there, a pop up slides up when you drag your mouse to the corner, clicking opens the menu[/QUOTE] You can also click that space before that popup even shows up so it's not like it would take longer.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36538879]You can also click that space before that popup even shows up so it's not like it would take longer.[/QUOTE] Just makes for a tidier interface in general :)
Honestly if you're using the start menu to find programs, Windows 8 really doesn't need it. My friend was trying one of the earlier release candidates, and he was in the tile menu or whatever you call it, and he just started typing and it automatically searched for the program and anything else with the same name. So it's really more effective in that manner.
windows 8 will be good
I tried to give 8 a second chance recently but I ended up uninstalling it again. There are too many inconveniences caused by the things that have been moved to metro. For example, when you browse for lock screen images it HAS to be in your images library because there's no browse button. The number of metro apps I was willing to use also quickly shrank to the point where there was no point in using it. I was glad to see that you could sign out of MS and use a "local" account, but if you want to use gmail or something on the mail app, you have to be constantly signed into an MS account on the other three apps that Mail is tied to.
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