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[QUOTE=Tinter;26630471]I can see what you mean but you would be having a hard time remembering things. The rest of the stuff still applies even if everybody else is immortal. Time would still be speeding up as you get older, but that's really the only one I can support.[/QUOTE] well yea but technology would probably help us remember more. not to mention i still think its a better alternative then being dead
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26630319]That's a fundamentally stupid thing to say. Im making an assumption about your character here, but the only reason you don't want to live forever is because you assume in your lifespan, you will need to: - Be born - Go to school - Get a job - Find a home - Have kids - Retire - Die And I agree, that's a pretty mundane and linear life. But, if the cycle were like this: - Be born - Go to school - Wander around nature and society for a few decades - Master an Art or Science - Create and innovate - Do whatever you want forever Life turns from a linear and predictable story, into an immortal sandbox of learning and experience. As of now, the only way to a legacy is to have children, and everything else in life is based on succeeding and repoducing. if YOU were your legacy, and you were LIVING your legacy, then there'd be no need for any of that. I think your opinion may change. If your opinion doesn't change, then obviously you have quite a bleak view of your limitations. the only thing that holds me back from doing whatever I want to do, is the fact that I'm going to die, and at that point nothing I ever did or could have done will matter, Immortality would nullify that point.[/QUOTE] The problem is that right now, our body is limited. A lot of people at the age of 80 and up after are not well. We need to find cures to diseases and find ways to overcome our limitations. Hope what I'm saying here makes sense. If not just rate me dumb.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26630506]There is a fundamental basic drive that when you meet a fitting person says to you "Look at that person asshole you see her, she's attractive right, go fuck her senseless" If a relationship follows, then there's likely to be a kid.[/QUOTE] unless you use birth control. my point is that if it was genetic then there would not be people like me who dont want to have a child.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26630533]well yea but technology would probably help us remember more. not to mention i still think its a better alternative then being dead[/QUOTE] Yeah, you're right. But we have to develop on these points before we get immortality.
So guys, how about we brainstorm some feasible methods of immortality? Mine's the whole stem cell breeding and assignment factory implant.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26630608]So guys, how about we brainstorm some feasible methods of immortality? Mine's the whole stem cell breeding and assignment factory implant.[/QUOTE] completely replace all your thoughts with nano bots who could have a thought code in them like dna so that no matter how many nanobots are destroyed as long as there is one left it would be able to create others and continue thinking. you would not have a body but your mind would live on forever
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26630575]unless you use birth control. my point is that if it was genetic then there would not be people like me who dont want to have a child.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's not genetic, I'm saying that there is a genetic drive to have children. Just because there are people without that drive that doesn't mean the whole situation is non genetic, after all genetics aren't the be all and end all, they just mean you are more inclined to act a certain way.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26630685]completely replace all your thoughts with nano bots who could have a thought code in them like dna so that no matter how many nanobots are destroyed as long as there is one left it would be able to create others and continue thinking. you would not have a body but your mind would live on forever[/QUOTE] You would be 'dead' since you would lose your conscience, no?
[QUOTE=bravehat;26630686]Yeah, it's not genetic, I'm saying that there is a genetic drive to have children. Just because there are people without that drive that doesn't mean the whole situation is non genetic, after all genetics aren't the be all and end all, they just mean you are more inclined to act a certain way.[/QUOTE] and that could be over comed with education meaning that in the future people would not have a billion children while never die causing super over population. even thoug i would agree with dawkins that you are not genetically inclined to have children but to just have sex and take care of children
[QUOTE=Tinter;26630555]The problem is that right now, our body is limited. A lot of people at the age of 80 and up after are not well. We need to find cures to diseases and find ways to overcome our limitations. Hope what I'm saying here makes sense. If not just rate me dumb.[/QUOTE] Aging is an evolutionary failsafe. The point to existence is reproduction and evolution, and the only reason almost all creatures age, is because death is just as important as birth in the eyes of evolution. Take a look at your teenage years. All you do is grow. If you get injured or sick, your body heals at a miraculous rate, your body actually "refreshes" and "repairs" itself for the most part. Between the ages of 1-20, here's no real "aging," there's only development. Your body does that, because it's supposed to. It's not because it's pysically impossible for cellular material to replace and maintain itself, the only reason you age is because you are supposed to die, it's one of the logical steps for the evolutionary and reproductive process. Your cellular materials ages and dies on purpose. In case you haven't noticed, humans aren't really evolving anymore; at least not at a significant pace. Humans have created an evolutionary bubble, and adapted artificially to survive in our world. Immortality would be the complete and utter manifestation of that, aging really serves no purpose anymore in human society, now all it's doing is holding us back.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26630608]So guys, how about we brainstorm some feasible methods of immortality? Mine's the whole stem cell breeding and assignment factory implant.[/QUOTE] Redundant organ systems that cycle through each other every few months then the systems that are inactive are repaired through an upgraded immune system using stem cells to repair damage. Genetic and bioengineering for those who need it, redundant organs would be standard systems as soon as possible (would require a massive shake up in government systems so it's a pipe dream really) and the bioengineering and mechanical type enhancements would be for those who operate in demanding roles such as future colonists and armed forces personnel.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26630752]and that could be over comed with education meaning that in the future people would not have a billion children while never die causing super over population[/QUOTE] im not sure what you are saying because i can't understand your horrible grammar
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26629882]That is fucking crazy. While the idea of immortality is feasible, and may even be possible within our lifetimes, cryogenic freezing and suspended animation is really just a dream. its not really just about space exploration, either. Living forever would have many great ramifications, especially for scientists, authors, artists, and engineers. You'd see those types of people perform amazing stuff when they aren't bound to the rules of age, they can gain great wisdom and knowledge and never die with it. death and disabilities are really the only thing that have hampered the greatest minds in our history. Imagine what Albert Einstein would accomplish if he had lived for 2000 years.[/QUOTE] except science isn't carried out by individuals, it's carried out by a collective scientific body in every field. Einstein built on the ideas of others before him, some of which if you go back far enough would have trouble accepting the sort of things he theorized. Same goes with any famous scientist today.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26630738]You would be 'dead' since you would lose your conscience, no?[/QUOTE] It's a whole massive kettle of fish that scares the shit out of me, I'll stick with biological immortality not nano-immortality, same problem with quantum teleportation for me, and object is broken down and reconstructed at the other end of the machine, to outside observers it is you, but are you actually you? or did a copy of you get created from blueprints of you saved in a machine? If that shit ever happens I'm avoiding it like the plague.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26630738]You would be 'dead' since you would lose your conscience, no?[/QUOTE] well if all the data in your brain was stored in the nanobots i would say no
Though obviously this is utterly lacking in technical detail, getting rid of aging would be as simple as simply getting rid of the post-teen metabolism change. If one could eliminate the transition between development and aging, then people would effectively be immortal. If you could make the development process simply "hang" at the age of 19 or 20, then your body would continue to refresh and repair itself at the teenage metabolism forever, basically.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;26630841]except science isn't carried out by individuals, it's carried out by a collective scientific body in every field. Einstein built on the ideas of others before him, some of which if you go back far enough would have trouble accepting the sort of things he theorized. Same goes with any famous scientist today.[/QUOTE] Except science CAN be carried out by individuals, what are you talking about, willis? [editline]11th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;26630920]It's a whole massive kettle of fish that scares the shit out of me, I'll stick with biological immortality not nano-immortality, same problem with quantum teleportation for me, and object is broken down and reconstructed at the other end of the machine, to outside observers it is you, but are you actually you? or did a copy of you get created from blueprints of you saved in a machine? If that shit ever happens I'm avoiding it like the plague.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I wouldn't go near it.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26630946]except science isn't carried out by individuals, it's carried out by a collective scientific body in every field. Einstein built on the ideas of others before him, some of which if you go back far enough would have trouble accepting the sort of things he theorized. Same goes with any famous scientist today. [/QUOTE] Given thousands of years, Individual efforts will be scaled up tenfold or or more. Einstein Probably learned a lot, and developed a lot of theories and insight during his life. Given 300 years or so he might have simply gained an innate understanding of how things work in the universe, and would have been able to apply that to technological advancement. That's what wisdom is, innate understanding.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26629758]For fuck's sake if someone has to remind you again that we can theoretically regenerate our bodies I'm going to punch a small african child in the face.[/QUOTE] you clearly don't have any idea how the female reproductive system works. Females are born with only a certain amount of eggs. Some of those are repaired, some of them are discarded and replaced, but not very often. Unless a female is pregnant a period happens every month getting rid of one of these eggs. Changing the body so it can repair itself more easily and doesn't break down as much is one thing, changing the way our sexual organs work so that women are able to continuously produce eggs is a completely different thing and involves tampering with completely different genes and completely different body processes.
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I'm all for this, but let's just stop and consider what happens when we stop evolving due to no reproducing. All those horrible microbes and bacteria and so on that cause diseases still are. We better have spread out across the galaxy and have super-science because we could see some pretty bad pandemics because some ultra evolved bug developed over time to wipe us out. The ability to reproduce must be kept intact to avoid that, but at the same time we can't just reproduce to the point of demolishing entire worlds. ...But if we do, I guess we can all live in massive ships that devour asteroid fields and smaller stuff for minerals or something.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;26631036]you clearly don't have any idea how the female reproductive system works. Females are born with only a certain amount of eggs. Some of those are repaired, some of them are discarded and replaced, but not very often. Unless a female is pregnant a period happens every month getting rid of one of these eggs. Changing the body so it can repair itself more easily and doesn't break down as much is one thing, changing the way our sexual organs work so that women are able to continuously produce eggs is a completely different thing and involves tampering with completely different genes and completely different body processes.[/QUOTE] Why not just fuck before 40? [editline]11th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Harpuia;26631125]I'm all for this, but let's just stop and consider what happens when we stop evolving due to no reproducing. All those horrible microbes and bacteria and so on that cause diseases still are. We better have spread out across the galaxy and have super-science because we could see some pretty bad pandemics because some ultra evolved bug developed over time to wipe us out.[/QUOTE] Except one of the things bravehat mentioned was a constantly heightening immune system, so when the bug needed to infect us to adapt, it would be immunized against and repeat the process again and again. And also no air to breathe in space so no way to transition into human blood.
[QUOTE=Harpuia;26631125]I'm all for this, but let's just stop and consider what happens when we stop evolving due to no reproducing. All those horrible microbes and bacteria and so on that cause diseases still are. We better have spread out across the galaxy and have super-science because we could see some pretty bad pandemics because some ultra evolved bug developed over time to wipe us out.[/QUOTE] If immortality was optional at the cost of sterilization, then Im sure there would be many people who stick around to breed.
[QUOTE=Sled Dog;26626159]There is a problem with that. Say if we humans live an average of 85 years, and we have a population around 6,876,800,000 people, And if they all live 100,000,000,000 years, the earth would run out of resources in an estimated 4,326 years due to reproduction and grand kids being able to say "hi" to their great great great great great great great great great grandpa. Get what I'm saying? We all die for a reason.[/QUOTE] Not everyone wants to live forever, and not everyone manages to avoid every fatal accident in their life. Plus, couldn't you just have places that effectively work as suicide booths for people who've grown tired of their immortality?
[QUOTE=Murkat;26631198]Not everyone wants to live forever, and not everyone manages to avoid every fatal accident in their life. Plus, couldn't you just have places that effectively work as suicide booths for people who've grown tired of their immortality?[/QUOTE] Yeah you could, it's called normal suicide. Gun to head and boom, your brain is officially dead.
Instead we should research what happens when you die. "ok, so for science we are going to kill you and then we need you to tell us what it's like, ok?" "ok, but how will I tell you?" "Oh, due to breakthroughs in recent science we can keep you technicaly dead but able to be revived at any moment with this new technology for up to 12 hours, usefull for people in hospitle and on lifesupport or something too." :science:
if we could map every single atom of a person we would be able to bring them back to life if they ever died. just putting out a hypothesis I thought of
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26631269]if we could map every single atom of a person we would be able to bring them back to life if they ever died. just putting out a hypothesis I thought of[/QUOTE] Wouldn't be the same person. No memories, no thoughts, no conscience... Final destination.
[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;26631260]Instead we should research what happens when you die. "ok, so for science we are going to kill you and then we need you to tell us what it's like, ok?" "ok, but how will I tell you?" "Oh, due to breakthroughs in recent science we can keep you technicaly dead but able to be revived at any moment with this new technology for up to 12 hours, usefull for people in hospitle and on lifesupport or something too." :science:[/QUOTE] do you really need to do an experiment to see what happens to a person when they die? if you did that test to them it would seem like they never died at all because there brain stopped processing time and when you come back to life it would start again
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26631269]if we could map every single atom of a person we would be able to bring them back to life if they ever died. just putting out a hypothesis I thought of[/QUOTE] Wouldn't be the same person. No memories, no thoughts, no conscience... Final destination.
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