• 13 Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza on Sunday, bringing total Israeli casualties to 18.
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Why are you banning people for criticising your post when it's quite clear that they're correct? I'm just saying, I really don't agree with you and saying shit like "BULLSHIT ALERT" is not presentable in the slightest. If WE said that, we'd get banned for trolling. And then I'll get banned for this post because I'm giving you something to critique on. But if I did it to someone else it'd be ignored. Double standards are lovely
[QUOTE=JDK721;45450228]How is Starpluck still a mod? Those are some appalling posts even by my standards.[/QUOTE]"why is this guy i disagree with still a mod"
[QUOTE=Combineguy;45450265]"why is this guy i disagree with still a mod"[/QUOTE] It's not really disagreeing, it's his presenting that is pissing people off. Some of his post have been structured good but come on. Saying bullshit alert and shit is just asking to get people rolled up
[QUOTE=Tsyolin;45449234]I'm fairly certain a large majority of the citizens in Gaza would rather not be governed by Hamas.[/QUOTE] Sure. Around 70% of Palestinians think Hamas is corrupt, doing their job poorly, and should have maintained a ceasefire. That doesn't mean Hamas can be starved out. The U.S. Congress has a lower approval rating in the U.S. than Hamas does in Gaza, and we haven't overthrown it. Just looking at approval statistics to try claiming an organization has no staying power is incredibly naive.
[QUOTE=Combineguy;45450265]"why is this guy i disagree with still a mod"[/QUOTE] Wrong. It's the fact that he's basically saying he's pleased to hear that these Israeli soldiers were murdered, ignoring that they're conscripted, and banning people who disagree with him. Both sides are wrong and have done terrible things. In my opinion Israel is more to blame. Their government is at fault.
considering how most of you guys seem to not care that hundreds of civilians of palestine have been killed, I don't understand why you wouldn't get that someone doesn't care that military personnel are being killed while serving their country
[QUOTE=Pawnstick;45450357]considering how most of you guys seem to not care that hundreds of civilians of palestine have been killed[/QUOTE] What are you basing this on?
[QUOTE=JDK721;45450366]What are you basing this on?[/QUOTE] because I actually read this thread
I can't for the life of me think for a reason why people [B]right now on this forum[/B], defending a goverment who has done this, and killed [B]over[/B] 10k civilians in the process. [img_thumb]http://www.freerangelongmont.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Palestinian_Loss_of_Land_1946_by_nevereverbefore.png[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=JDK721;45450345]It's the fact that he's basically saying he's pleased to hear that these Israeli soldiers were murdere[/QUOTE] I said I am pleased to hear that the disproportionate civilian death ratio is not replicated on both sides. The IDF is the occupying force in this conflict, and some of them are going to unfortunately die. However, I am pleased to hear that Israeli civilians are not dying too in the conflict. Resistance against occupational military targets is a legitimate right affirmed by international law. Their conscription is an Israeli policy problem that needs to be addressed by the Israelis/government, not the Palestinians on the receiving end of this occupation.
[QUOTE=Monkah;45448259]Maybe we wouldn't have to conscript soldiers if Israel's friendly and lovable neighbors weren't attacking it every twelve minutes. As it stands, Israel wouldn't be a country if they didn't have military force to hold back the religious extremists that attack it on a weekly basis. I'd rather have military conscription than have the entire country get wiped out by some insurgents. Unless you really think that's a better solution-- please, don't talk about what you're clueless on.[/QUOTE] Maybe we wouldn't need Hamas if Palestine's friendly and lovable neighbors weren't attacking it every twelve minutes. As it stands, Palestine wouldn't be a country if they didn't have an insurgent force to hold back the religious extremists that attack it on a weekly basis. I'd rather have insurgency than have the entire country get wiped out by some soldiers. Unless you really think that's a better solution-- please, don't talk about what you're clueless on.
[QUOTE=Pawnstick;45450477]Maybe we wouldn't need Hamas if Palestine's friendly and lovable neighbors weren't attacking it every twelve minutes. As it stands, Palestine wouldn't be a country if they didn't have an insurgent force to hold back the religious extremists that attack it on a weekly basis. I'd rather have insurgency than have the entire country get wiped out by some soldiers. Unless you really think that's a better solution-- please, don't talk about what you're clueless on.[/QUOTE] It's funny because you could say the same exact thing about Israel back when was formed in the 40s. The day it declared dependance it was attacked by most of the Arab nations surrounding it and continued to be constantly attacked for years. They were at risk of total and utter destruction (and it's a miracle it didn't happen) until the 60s. You have to understand that Israel (and most of the world for that matter) despises Hamas, and Hamas would rather have Israel wiped off the map entirely. It shouldn't come as a surprise that these two aren't able to maintain a long standing peace agreement. It's politics as usual with these two, and if Hamas doesn't finally agree to Egypt's terms then it's not gonna stop. I don't think Gaza being annexed is the solution (nor do I think it's going to happen) but Hamas being ousted would be a very good start for the people of Gaza if you ask me.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;45450429]I can't for the life of me think for a reason why people [B]right now on this forum[/B], defending a goverment who has done this, and killed [B]over[/B] 10k civilians in the process. [img_thumb]http://www.freerangelongmont.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Palestinian_Loss_of_Land_1946_by_nevereverbefore.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Yes, its amazing what happens when OTHER COUNTRIES declare war on you and you capture land, or did you forget the multiple conflicts that israel has been involved in.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45448652]What are you talking about? [editline]20th July 2014[/editline] Nevermind, not going even bother replying to him. Just remembered Jemkem is a batshit in the head (no need to explain).[/QUOTE] Seriously, what did that prove. A shallow insult solves nothing, and will not make your point more valid. Not to mention the fact that you are completely one sided on this entire conflict. They are fighting a war, against an enemy that uses civilians for cover. Now why I do agree that Israel gets trigger happy and non coms get caught in the crossfire, they also have enemies on all sides that want to eradicate not just them, but their entire culture. They do not have the luxury to call a "time out" and think things through. They are a country of action, not talk. If given the chance, their enemies will kill as many of their civilians as they can, and be heralded as heroes for it. Israel does not fuck around. If Hamas wasn't firing fucking rockets at them every day, this shit wouldn't even be happening right now. If Hamas didn't break the cease fire [I]40 minutes in[/I], a lot more people would be alive right now.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45446784]No one should be dying in this war/massacre. But admittedly, the death of military soldiers is not a pressing concern to myself when Israel is deliberately targeting civilians. Naturally, these soldiers will be killed for simply being complicit in these state-sanctioned massacres.[/QUOTE] Israel is delibirately targeting civilians? do you even believe half the bullshit that comes out of your mouth? I bet you know shit about how ground operations work, do you even know how much time it takes to get approval to hit a target? so our soldiers, our boys go risk their lives and get into the hornet nest called gaza infected with the hamas and tries to take down the terror tunnels [B]by foot[/B] because airstrikes wont do and result in civilian death, which is one of the things the invasion is trying to prevent. you disregard these peoples death for trying to defend their established, not run by fear or terrorism country, who try to make sure that only the terrorists get harmed? the same terrorists who send donkeys and kids mounted with explosives, and try(and at times succeed) to infliltrate cities and preform murders, your very same brave heroic freedom fighters, right? the hamas and the many other radical terrorist groups brought gaza down to its shit situation, there were times, in my fathers generation when people lived together with minor occurences, certainly without useless deaths..there is so much hate now..it boils my blood mentally kills me, that my friends risk their lives to protect the ones they love only to be criticised and their well being completely ignored by your twisted disgusting fake sense of righteousness that is obviously so one sided that you wouldnt be able to see it from the front, and you had the nerve to call [B]me[/B] a 'piece of shit human being' ?!
"We prevent civilian casualties by using internationally banned weaponry designed to cause as many indiscriminate casualties as possible."
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;45451707]"We prevent civilian casualties by using internationally banned weaponry designed to cause as many indiscriminate casualties as possible."[/QUOTE][img_thumb]http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb3eseh7hN1rw0wu3o1_500.png[/img_thumb] so basically this
The ground invasion was a stupid idea and here is the proof. Why negotiate a settlement when you can send in the cannon fodder.
[QUOTE=Monkah;45446763]You're pleased to hear that people are dying, just because it 'balances things out'. What the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] He's not saying that, he just worded it REALLY badly, he's saying he's glad that at least they're both not killing civilians.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45446784]No one should be dying in this war/massacre. But admittedly, the death of military soldiers is not a pressing concern to myself when Israel is deliberately targeting civilians. Naturally, these soldiers will be killed for simply being complicit in these state-sanctioned massacres.[/QUOTE] Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you. Do you think a bunch of fucking teenagers join the IDF just so they can go around and shoot up a bunch of civilians. The country has mandatory fucking service and you of all people should know that. A life is a fucking life, no matter what, and I say that because I have taken lives before. Every man I killed wanted me dead for whatever fucking reason he had. Do you think I joined specifically so I could shoot up a bunch of Afghans? No, I joined because I wished to uphold the honour of my family and country. And every Talib I killed had just as much honour as I did when he went out in that field. Sure, there are plenty of screwballs in every military, and I acknowledge that Israel is infact doing many atrocious things, but so is Hamas, and [B]NOTHING[/B] ever justifies the celebration of killing. I killed because I had to, and I watched good men and bad men fall. But still, nothing ever justifies saying that you're okay with soldiers dying just because it balances things out. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming / Rude" - Swebonny))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;45452806]Do you think a bunch of fucking teenagers join the IDF just so they can go around and shoot up a bunch of civilians.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure he thinks a bunch of conscripted teenagers should have the moral fiber to refuse to harm innocents for spurious causes, independent of the associated punishment, because that's what not being a terrible human being involves. [QUOTE=Moustacheman;45452806]Do you think I joined specifically so I could shoot up a bunch of Afghans? No, I joined because I wished to uphold the honour of my family and country.[/QUOTE] Then you're dumber than a sack of bricks, assuming any of your wannabe horseshit was even true.
[QUOTE=Ducksink;45451620]Israel is delibirately targeting civilians? do you even believe half the bullshit that comes out of your mouth? I bet you know shit about how ground operations work, do you even know how much time it takes to get approval to hit a target? so our soldiers, our boys go risk their lives and get into the hornet nest called gaza infected with the hamas and tries to take down the terror tunnels [B]by foot[/B] because airstrikes wont do and result in civilian death, which is one of the things the invasion is trying to prevent. you disregard these peoples death for trying to defend their established, not run by fear or terrorism country, who try to make sure that only the terrorists get harmed? the same terrorists who send donkeys and kids mounted with explosives, and try(and at times succeed) to infliltrate cities and preform murders, your very same brave heroic freedom fighters, right? the hamas and the many other radical terrorist groups brought gaza down to its shit situation, there were times, in my fathers generation when people lived together with minor occurences, certainly without useless deaths..there is so much hate now..it boils my blood mentally kills me, that my friends risk their lives to protect the ones they love only to be criticised and their well being completely ignored by your twisted disgusting fake sense of righteousness that is obviously so one sided that you wouldnt be able to see it from the front, and you had the nerve to call [B]me[/B] a 'piece of shit human being' ?![/QUOTE] It doesn't matter whether IDF forces are targeting civilians intentionally or accidentally dude because you can't deny the results. Every Palestinian family you kill is just more support for Hamas and you know it. The people of Gaza have the right to defend themselves. When neither side is willing to compromise then this war's no where else to go in the end but reach the ultimate conclusion, and I hope I'm not alive to see it.
Starpluck's reaction whenever an Israeli soldier is killed: [img]http://i.imgur.com/hphCjBp.gif[/img]
Does every Israel - Palestine thread fall into a state like this or is it because of shitmod StarshitPluck?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;45452997]Does every Israel - Palestine thread fall into a state like this or is it because of shitmod StarshitPluck?[/QUOTE] The thread here is simply a epitome of an average talk between Israelite and Palestinian.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;45452851]It doesn't matter whether IDF forces are targeting civilians intentionally or accidentally dude because you can't deny the results. Every Palestinian family you kill is just more support for Hamas and you know it. The people of Gaza have the right to defend themselves. When neither side is willing to compromise then this war's no where else to go in the end but reach the ultimate conclusion, and I hope I'm not alive to see it.[/QUOTE] What are we supposed to do? seriously, I would like to hear once and for all from the people who constantly criticize Israel [B]what is Israel supposed to do?[/B] should we sit around and let them launch rockets at us and infilitrate into cities? should we accept the terrorists '10 year truce' which couldnt be a more obvious attempt to get a state approved arming up period? doesn't this sound ridiculous to you? they always do this(you can check up at other operations), they ask for truces when they can't fight anymore, we have to accept and they celebrate their 'victory' in the streets! people like to flaunt around with the 'the IDFs humanity is a joke' arguement, but the truth is, if we did not give a single shit about the civilians gaza could have been wiped out so easily so long ago that none of our soldiers or civilians would have had to be killed. But we are not some senseless radical islamic group who could care less about civilians, and uses their deaths as PR strength. The very same group who encourages palestinians to stay at their houses even after theyve been alerted to leave before bombings, the very same group who [B]were chosen by their own people [/B] to fight for some primitive idealisms and sacrifice their own instead of promoting peace. who countlessly said that they will not cease until all of Israel had been 'pushed to the sea', can you find any rationality in these people?? Does our nation not have the right to attempt and eliminate the threat just because we are more capable than a bunch of hate fueled rocket flingers? feel free to comment about how you would handle the situation, and i'm saying this with 0% sarcasm.
What exactly is this raid even meant to accomplish? What exactly do you expect Hamas will do if you [I]don't[/I] attack? Because, correct me if I'm wrong, but their rocket attacks have killed zero people throughout this entire clusterfuck. Even if this barrage went on for another month, what do you think the chances are you'd ever even risk coming close to the 18 soldiers killed in the ground invasion so far? What makes you think [I]anyone[/I] would die?
You're righy, we're not a senseless radical group, to the point we didn't burn a young child alive with the flawed assumption he'll grow to become a terrorist, instead of searching for the murderers, and we definitely didn't cheer for his death
[QUOTE=Ducksink;45453167]What are we supposed to do? seriously, I would like to hear once and for all from the people who constantly criticize Israel [B]what is Israel supposed to do?[/B] should we sit around and let them launch rockets at us and infilitrate into cities? should we accept the terrorists '10 year truce' which couldnt be a more obvious attempt to get a state approved arming up period? doesn't this sound ridiculous to you? they always do this(you can check up at other operations), they ask for truces when they can't fight anymore, we have to accept and they celebrate their 'victory' in the streets! people like to flaunt around with the 'the IDFs humanity is a joke' arguement, but the truth is, if we did not give a single shit about the civilians gaza could have been wiped out so easily so long ago that none of our soldiers or civilians would have had to be killed. But we are not some senseless radical islamic group who could care less about civilians, and uses their deaths as PR strength. The very same group who encourages palestinians to stay at their houses even after theyve been alerted to leave before bombings, the very same group who [B]were chosen by their own people [/B] to fight for some primitive idealisms and sacrifice their own instead of promoting peace. who countlessly said that they will not cease until all of Israel had been 'pushed to the sea', can you find any rationality in these people?? Does our nation not have the right to attempt and eliminate the threat just because we are more capable than a bunch of hate fueled rocket flingers? feel free to comment about how you would handle the situation, and i'm saying this with 0% sarcasm.[/QUOTE] You're not eliminating a threat, you're aggravating and cultivating it. What the fuck do you think this invasion is going to do, break their spirit and force them to give up? You're sitting on the world's largest prison. You kill indiscriminately. You deny the Palestinians many of the most basic of human rights. They're fucking dying by the hundreds, by your direct hand and all you can say is that they pushed you to it? You're blaming the victim here. You accuse [b]them[/b] of acting irrationally? Maybe Hamas were chosen by their own people because you've brutalised the Palestinians for so long and treated them like dogs that there's nothing left but hate in their veins. You've played an essential role in the creation of extremists like Hamas.
well Hamas considers the human shields as plausible policy, so that makes it way harder for Israel to strike w/o civilians in way [video=youtube;eQ6S0-o3uFI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI[/video] here you can see the Hamas using UN and Ambulance vehicles [URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ff_1405874865[/URL] you may find some videos where Israel Airforce calls off attack because the 'suspects' are 'evacuated' in ambulance some history lesson (end of Israel don't warrant Palestine as state) [URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c3e_1405412960[/URL] some good videos describing the problem of middle east [URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fd_1405801040[/URL] anyway some more worthy ones to watch [video=youtube;GdtGOY8T5XE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdtGOY8T5XE[/video] humor shall ease the tension (just look on what happens in Mosul right now) [video=youtube;uIEeiDjdUuU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU[/video] p.s. about the person talking on spirit , when one side teach own kids that it's rightful to kill the otherside at any cost, something is wrong
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