• Manga images 'not child porn', says Sweden's Supreme Court
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[QUOTE][b]Japanese manga comics depicting children in sexual poses are not child pornography, Sweden's Supreme Court has ruled, overturning a high-profile conviction of a Swedish translator.[/b] In a ruling issued on Friday, the court acquitted Simon Lundström, who had been found guilty of child pornography crimes by two lower courts before appealing his case to Sweden's highest court. "I'm obviously very relieved, in part because it makes life easier for me personally, but most of all I'm generally relieved for Sweden as a whole," Lundström told the TT news agency in an email. "It would have been very hard for me to relate to Sweden as a country if it turned out to be a place that prohibited certain expressions of the imagination." According to the Supreme Court's ruling, the drawings are pornographic and they do portray children. However, because the cartoons represent imaginary figures there is no way they could be mistaken for real children. "The criminalization of possession of the drawings would otherwise exceed what is necessary with regard to the purpose which has led to the restriction on freedom of expression and freedom of information," the court said in a statement. Lundström, described by Swedish media as a top manga expert, was found guilty by two lower courts of having 39 drawings portraying figures in sexual poses stored on the hard drive of his computer. In his initial trial, he explained that he had retrieved the pictures in order to stay up to date with the latest developments in the Japanese comic genre. A district court fined him 25,000 kronor ($3,500) but an appeals court lowered the sum to 5,600 kronor. During the Supreme Court trial, the images were shown on large screens in the courtroom. The pastel-coloured pictures showed children in different states of undress. The depicted persons have large eyes and many other features that are characteristic for manga-characters. They are both posing for the viewer and taking part in different sexual activities. Lundström's attorney, Leif Silbersky, expressed his satisfaction with the ruling. "It's heartening that common sense has prevailed. The Supreme Court has an excellent way of cutting through the formalities and coming to the right conclusion. The ruling is very good in its entirety," he told the TT news agency. In its ruling, the Supreme Court did however find that one of the 39 images possessed by Lundström could be considered to depict child pornography as it was sufficiently realistic. But the court ruled that possession of the image was nevertheless defensible and as a result acquitted Lundström for possession of that image as well.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.thelocal.se/41460/20120615/[/url] Wow. After over 2 years they finally leave the poor guy alone. A victory for Swedish freedom of expression.
Bingo!
I do find people jacking it to loli weird and kinda sick (after all, you are fapping to the sexual thought of children), but that hardly means it's criminal.
[QUOTE=acds;36338586]I do find people jacking it to loli weird and kinda sick (after all, you are fapping to the sexual thought of children), but that hardly means it's criminal.[/QUOTE] Exactly. If no one was harmed, it shouldn't be criminal. If it's just drawings, then no one was harmed, and punishing him would be amoral.
think of the children wont someone think of the children
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;36338628]think of the imaginary children wont someone think of the imaginary children[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;36338628]think of the children wont someone think of the children[/QUOTE] Those that are tugging the meat to the drawn 8 years old sure are.
Haven't there been studies which indicate that this kind of thing actually makes people less likely to harm children?
No more guilt!
[QUOTE=erazor;36338647]Haven't there been studies which indicate that this kind of thing actually makes people less likely to harm children?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that it might provoke harming children too. But I think it is good that the court understood that fiction =/= reality.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338701]I'm pretty sure that it might provoke harming children too. [/QUOTE] I am rather interested to hear what makes you so sure.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36338788]I am rather interested to hear what makes you so sure.[/QUOTE] Well I just basically mean that anything can happen. Here is the case what I thought up in my head. Someone random browsing the internet and finds loli. He goes through them, faps, whatever. "Well, that was weird." He might think. Anyway, at this point he might actually start trying to find more because now he knows that he liked it. And at that point when there is an opportunity to "harm" children instead of passing the chance he already have been in contact with the subject through internet and pictures and maybe even photos, if he hadn't found the pictures in the first place he wouldn't even realize it. It might be just watching first, but if your moral isn't working as it should it might turn into a real life horror story. And we know these things do happen.
I love sweden. <3
Watching a movie about a psychopath won't make you a psychopath, but it might make a psychopath, [I]just a bit more creative[/I].
The more you cage someone in to attempt to suppress their sexual urges, the more they will see doing something like abusing children an option. I can understand how and why people feel disgusted at these kind of thoughts but they need to get past that to realise that banning this kind of pornography, a victimless crime, would very much hinder their attempts to stop actual child abuse. Sort of like how a lot of kids that were beaten or spanked as children grow up to have a sexual fetish for being hit and what not. Repression only seeks to increase their urges.
As the leader of the Swedish Pirate Party said: "Resources shouldn't be wasted on saving cartoons from translators when there are real children in need of help from real abuse."
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338827]Watching a movie about a psychopath won't make you a psychopath, but it might make a psychopath, [I]just a bit more creative[/I].[/QUOTE] Yeah but this is one of the worst arguments in the entire world, it's the basis behind orthodox Islam + Judaism treating women like walking pornography because someone might be seduced by their existence.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338827]Watching a movie about a psychopath won't make you a psychopath, but it might make a psychopath, [I]just a bit more creative[/I].[/QUOTE] So movies about psychopaths should be banned too then?
Fapping to loli is disgusting and pretty awful, but not criminal. I think if you restrict access to it, you'd just make people more desperate, so go Swedish criminal court.
Personally i think [URL="http://niggaupload.com/images/oIpPz.jpg"]this[/URL] is a tad more arouding than [URL="http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/ddcf8025d1ff5416d6ed1e3a85b10c771266756451_full.jpg"]that[/URL], but i guess that's just an opinion.
[QUOTE=proch;36338948]Personally i think [URL="http://niggaupload.com/images/oIpPz.jpg"]this[/URL] is a tad more arouding than [URL="http://gelbooru.com//samples/1332/sample_1d5bafbf62431325d8eccb8c3cb51e00.jpg?1543889"]that[/URL], but i guess that's just an opinion.[/QUOTE] is that the kind of shit they are talking about? that's disgusting
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;36338902]Yeah but this is one of the worst arguments in the entire world, it's the basis behind orthodox Islam + Judaism treating women like walking pornography because someone might be seduced by their existence.[/QUOTE] It is true, as you can see people are influenced by it (orthodox Islam + Judaism), just as you explained. [QUOTE=Onyx3173;36338919]So movies about psychopaths should be banned too then?[/QUOTE] I never said that they should be banned. I never said that loli should be banned. I can't understand how you can disagree with me about this: Watching loli won't make you a pedophile, but a pedophile watching loli might be influenced by it.
And even then, a pedophile is not a rapist, that's like saying homosexuals are rapists just because they're homosexual.
Well, jacking it to loli is pretty fucked up, least to me. Hardly criminal though. Good on Sweden.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338827]Watching a movie about a psychopath won't make you a psychopath, but it might make a psychopath, [I]just a bit more creative[/I].[/QUOTE] Generally speaking watching a movie about a psychopath, doing psychopatic things will give the psychopath a sufficient kick to not have the need to go and do psychopatic things outside.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338818]Well I just basically mean that anything can happen. Here is the case what I thought up in my head. Someone random browsing the internet and finds loli. He goes through them, faps, whatever. "Well, that was weird." He might think. Anyway, at this point he might actually start trying to find more because now he knows that he liked it. And at that point when there is an opportunity to "harm" children instead of passing the chance he already have been in contact with the subject through internet and pictures and maybe even photos, if he hadn't found the pictures in the first place he wouldn't even realize it. It might be just watching first, but if your moral isn't working as it should it might turn into a real life horror story. And we know these things do happen.[/QUOTE] Have you seen loli? They look nothing like real kids, just because someone finds loli attractive doesn't mean they will find a real kid attractive.
Yes. This pleases me.
I'm seeing an abnormally high number of people saying it's "fucked up" and "disgusting" to fap to loli/shota Are you people new to the internet? I can understand if it doesn't cater to your preferences, it doesn't cater to mine either, but if you call it "fucked up" or "disgusting" you haven't seen anything.
Just because there are more fucked up thing in existence, it doesn't mean loli isn't fucked up to begin with
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;36339220]I'm seeing an abnormally high number of people saying it's "fucked up" and "disgusting" to fap to loli/shota Are you people new to the internet? I can understand if it doesn't cater to your preferences, it doesn't cater to mine either, but if you call it "fucked up" or "disgusting" you haven't seen anything.[/QUOTE] Just because there is worse it doesn't mean it's not fucked up. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;36339270]Just because there are more fucked up thing in existence, it doesn't mean loli isn't fucked up to begin with[/QUOTE] Goddamnit.
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