• Tony Abbott reveals he wishes the burka 'was not worn' in Australia
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[quote]rime Minister Tony Abbott says he wishes the burka "was not worn" in Australia, and has indicated he may support calls to ban the Islamic head-covering from being worn by visitors to Parliament House. Coalition backbenchers Cory Bernardi and George Christensen have said they believe the burka should be removed at security checkpoints coming into the building. Speaker of the House Bronwyn Bishop and Senate President Stephen Parry are seeking advice from security agencies but are yet to make a decision. Mr Abbott said Parliament House had to be treated as a secure building. "It is perfectly appropriate that in certain circumstances people be required to show their face. There can't be one rule for one form of attire and a different rule for another form of attire," he said. "It has to be the same rules for everyone and if the rules require you to show your face, well, you show your face. "This is a secure building and it is important that people be able to be identified, it is important that people be able to be recognised as the people for whom a pass has been issued." But he cautioned against inflating the issue. "Has anyone ever sought entry to this building so attired? As far as I am aware, no," he said. "And making a big song and dance about a hypothetical I am not sure is particularly helpful. "But I just want to stress that this is a secure building and it should be governed by the rules that are appropriate for a secure building and obviously people need to be identifiable in a secure building such as this." Attorney-General George Brandis said it was "none of his business" if people wore the burka but added there may be times when it should be removed.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-01/abbott-says-he-wishes-the-burka-was-not-worn-in-australia/5782008[/url]
God I hope he looses the next elections..
"We are free country" "We are free society" Little ironic seeing as I often see aussie referring to their government as a nanny.
I think a lot of people wish Tony Abbot wasn't seen around Australia, too, but we can't all have what we want.
The OP forgot a P in the beginning of the quote.
I don't like it either I'm scared of ghosts, the muslims are making me feel uncomfortable by dressing like ghosts
"bigot wishes people of different cultures didn't do cultural things or just didn't come to [i]his[/i] country at all"
where I live everyone calls them the letterbox.
Did noone read the article? It says he wants to ban it for visitors to parliament house which seems entirely reasonable. Why should they allow someone to obscure their face when visiting a secure facility?
[QUOTE=Jelly;46121235]Did noone read the article? It says he wants to ban it for visitors to parliament house which seems entirely reasonable. Why should they allow someone to obscure their face when visiting a secure facility?[/QUOTE] It's because in the same speech, he said he "found it confronting". Like his budgie smugglers.
The burka is rarely worn over here.
Kids call them ninjas where I live On topic: I think it would be fine in just the parliamentary buildings, however he could have gone a different way about saying it
Well, at least he hasn't banned it [I]yet[/I], unlike another "democratic" first world country. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering[/URL]
Well I also wish the Burka wasn´t worn in Western countries. A guy who robbed a store here in Holland, dressed up in a Burka and then went back to the crimescene. The police then interviewed everyone, and the burkalady didnt want to say anything. She was then asked to ID herself, and he showed an ID-card of a 17 year old girl, but he was clearly too tall too stacked. They then asked for visual ID in a seperate room and then the muslim came out of the bag. Comparing to camera images, it was the robber! [editline]1st October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sokrates;46121271]Well, at least he hasn't banned it [I]yet[/I], unlike another "democratic" first world country. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering[/URL][/QUOTE] Oh fuck off, don't pretend like this is some discriminatory thing. France has banned "all public and open display of religion". This means no "God loves everyone" t-shirts, no burkas, no nothing.
[QUOTE=-n3o-;46121179]God I hope he looses the next elections..[/QUOTE] I think you're assuming this would be unpopular. If anything, his comments are quite likely to resonate with the public.
I think the burka should not be banned but instead have it treated like helmets and other full face masks/etc in which is has to be removed upon entering certain businesses (banks for example) or when requested for checking the individual's identification (police checks, entering 18+ establishments, etc).
Australian gitmo when?
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;46121305] The police then interviewed everyone, and the burkalady didnt want to say anything. She was then asked to ID herself, and he showed an ID-card of a 17 year old girl, but he was clearly too tall too stacked. They then asked for visual ID in a seperate room and then the muslim came out of the bag. Comparing to camera images, it was the robber! [/QUOTE] I don't see an issue here, aside from the extra work involved in doing the identification, he was identified and caught. I'm not sure about other place but in the UK we have female police officer trained to handle these situations. I'm personally against people covering their faces in public but stories like this of "criminal dressed in burkha escapes justice" or "Women with burkha passport photo" or "Terrorist smuggles bomb under burkha" are clearly sensationalised to make people more opposed to burkhas/xenophobic. The BNP/EDL/BF often spread this kind of story to garner support for their thinly veil racist schemes. PS im not saying you're racist, I share your concern but there are a number of stories which stretch the truth so people are more outraged about "muslims cumin over ere..."
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;46121205]"bigot wishes people of different cultures didn't do cultural things or just didn't come to [i]his[/i] country at all"[/QUOTE] I don't know if you can call oppression "culture". Burqas are designed to "protect a woman's modesty", because apparently men are ravaging sex fiends who can't control themselves whilst sacrificing a woman's individualism(Whilst men are free to wear whatever they like). The excuse of "OH YOU JUST DON'T RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE" is just being an apologist for hundreds of years of oppression. All these excuses are objectively just logical fallacies. The only way this "culture" is going to change is through hard policy which is going to met with vocal outcry after hundred's of years of routinely suppressing a gender. I don't ever go full SJW, but the Burqa is a bad idea.
[QUOTE=Mebit;46121366]I don't know if you can call oppression "culture". Burqas are designed to "protect a woman's modesty", because apparently men are ravaging sex fiends who can't control themselves whilst sacrificing a woman's individualism(Whilst men are free to wear whatever they like). The excuse of "OH YOU JUST DON'T RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE" is just being an apologist for hundreds of years of oppression. All these excuses are objectively just logical fallacies. The only way this "culture" is going to change is through hard policy which is going to met with vocal outcry after hundred's of years of routinely suppressing a gender. I don't ever go full SJW, but the Burqa is a bad idea.[/QUOTE] It might also be a fashion thing. Fashionable low trousers were popularised by criminals who had their belts confascated for their, or others safety. Doesn't mean justin beiber plans to strangle somebody with his belt, doesn't mean he'll ever go to prison either :v:
to be honest i think its fairly resonable, somwhere like that, it does pose a major security risk. Anyone can get hold of a Burka and dress up in one to get in without showing her (or his) face. If someone breaks in and throws acid on someone important's face from a plastic container meaning security alarms arn't set off, then run quickly into the croud and take the clothes off, there is quite a chance that they could get away scott-free. Another problem with those all-covering clothes is that they cover everything very loosely meaning people could easily sneak in improvised weapons, explosives or what not.
The Burka's are better at hungry jacks
I disagree with his sentiment regarding the general status of Burkas here, but he does have a point about them in relation to secure areas. If you're going somewhere where you need your id checked, you need to show your face.
[QUOTE=-n3o-;46121179]God I hope he looses the next elections..[/QUOTE] Of course he will. Even people who voted for him, including my parents, think that he's a fucking idiot
There also was a discussion in Germany about a ban of headscarves, but you have to consider that when someone is wearing a headscarf you can still see their face. When somebody wears a burka that isn't the case and that's why people are in favor of banning it.
[QUOTE="Tony 'kissmeI'maliberal' Abbott"] [B]"Has anyone ever sought entry to this building so attired? As far as I am aware, no,[/B]" he said. "And making a big song and dance about a hypothetical I am not sure is particularly helpful..."[/quote] Tony Abbott has a habit of dreaming up solutions to problems that don't exist, such as the budget emergency. I imagine this is no different.
[QUOTE=Aide;46121184]"We are free country" "We are free society" Little ironic seeing as I often see aussie referring to their government as a nanny.[/QUOTE] People are missing the point, the main reasoning is to show identity. Also he said this [QUOTE]"Frankly, I wish it was not worn. But we are a free country, we are a free society and it is not the business of Government to tell people what they should and shouldn't wear."[/QUOTE] He disregarded his own opinion and even said so himself that it isn't up to the government what people should or shouldn't wear. I like how some people here jump to "lol fuck abbott" without reading the article in OP. He said it's confronting because he is a christian and in his opinion he thinks it's oppressive, but as we all know that's not entirely correct, and thank god he isn't forcing that opinion on Australians.
[QUOTE=uber.;46121590]There also was a discussion in Germany about a ban of headscarves, but you have to consider that when someone is wearing a headscarf you can still see their face. When somebody wears a burka that isn't the case and that's why people are in favor of banning it.[/QUOTE] Headscarves being banned for administrators, civil servants, teachers etc. was also a huge debate in Belgium (and still kind of is) because they aren't allowed to show any sort of religious preferences when performing their jobs (i.e. no crosses, no atheist T-shirts, no nothing).
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46121208]where I live everyone calls them the letterbox.[/QUOTE] My muslim friend and I call them "curtains" after watching ep1 of The Boondocks.
Burkas are disgusting, religious oppression does not belong in the 21st century. In countries with Sharia law, it would be considered apostasy which is punished with death, Islam is a disgusting religion; only religion with laws.
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