• [UK] Labour draft election manifesto leaked
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[quote]Respect the Brexit referendum result and give a meaningful vote on any deal to parliament. EU citizens living in the UK would have their rights guaranteed unilaterally. Theresa May’s Brexit white paper would be replaced with a plan that aims to retain the benefits of the customs union and single market. Bring parts of the energy industry into public ownership and introduce a local, socially owned energy firm in every area. Also introduce an “immediate emergency price cap” to make sure dual fuel bills stay below £1,000 a year. Nationalise the railways. Phase out tuition fees. Make more funds available for childcare and social care. Retain the Trident nuclear deterrent. A sentence from earlier drafts saying that a prime minister should be “extremely cautious” about using a weapon that would kill “millions of innocent civilians” has been removed. Place “peace, universal rights and international law” at the heart of foreign policy, while committing to spend 2% of GDP on defence, as required by Nato. Make zero-hours contracts illegal. Build 100,000 new council houses per year. Complete HS2 from London to Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester and Scotland. Borrow £250bn to invest in infrastructure but stick to the fiscal credibility rule to balance day-to-day spending. Also raise taxes for people earning more than £80,000 and reverse corporation and inheritance-tax cuts. Insulate homes of disabled veterans for free. Extend the right to abortion to Northern Ireland. Oppose a second Scottish referendum. Lower the voting age to 16. Employ 1,000 more border guards. End the badger cull, keep the fox-hunting ban and support a ban on wild animals in circuses, as well as protecting bees by banning neonicotinoids. Extend the Freedom of Information Act to private companies running public services. Review universal credit cuts with a view to reversing them. Recognise the benefit that immigrants have brought but introduce fair rules and reasonable management, working with employers that need to recruit from abroad but deterring exploitation.[/quote] [URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-manifesto-leak-policies-read-jeremy-corbyn-pledges-election-2017-a7729206.html?cmpid=facebook-post[/URL] [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/leaker-draft-manifesto-jeremy-corbyn-labour-trident[/URL]
Looks like great policy to me, but I'm an outsider. Is this a reasonable manifesto?
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[QUOTE=meharryp;52214013]Nothing about the NHS or am I missing something?[/QUOTE] [quote]Extend the Freedom of Information Act to private companies running public services.[/quote] also the immigration portion might imply some means of getting NHS staff from abroad to make up for deficit also from article: [quote]pend an extra £6bn-a-year on the NHS[/quote]
[QUOTE=killerteacup;52214009]Looks like great policy to me, but I'm an outsider. Is this a reasonable manifesto?[/QUOTE] It's a pretty centrist and excellent manifesto, hopefully they pull it off if they get through.
[QUOTE=meharryp;52214013]-snip-[/QUOTE] BBC has a good overview here including NHS: [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39879113"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39879113[/URL] I personally support nearly every single point. However this isn't gonna help the whole 'Labour are terrible with money' thing.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;52214017]BBC has a good overview here including NHS: [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39879113"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39879113[/URL] I personally support nearly every single point. However this isn't gonna help the whole 'Labour are terrible with money' thing.[/QUOTE] Ironic really. The recession was caused by lack of regulation of the banks. At the time tories were calling for LESS regulation on the banks. So had the tories been in it would have been worse. On other note: Not seeing anything about their proposed investment bank thing?
A ban on fracking and 6 billion a year for the NHS is pretty good. Support for nuclear power, and nationalising a lot of the power grid seems good. Can't say there's anything I disagree with here.
if the UK had an engaged, critical populace who voted based on good, empirical policy, this manifesto might have helped Labour win an election :( Not specific to the UK though, you could say this about pretty much any western country
[QUOTE]Nationalise the railways. Phase out tuition fees. Make zero-hours contracts illegal. Build 100,000 new council houses per year.[/QUOTE] Great to see these
[QUOTE=Lazzars;52214042]Great to see these[/QUOTE] Zero hour contracts for people under 21 would be nice, it's great for college/uni students.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52214016]It's a pretty centrist and excellent manifesto, hopefully they pull it off if they get through.[/QUOTE] Seems pretty leftist to me.
[QUOTE=Stopper;52214045]Seems pretty leftist to me.[/QUOTE] I think it's centreist leaning left, rather than hard left.
[QUOTE=Morgen;52214055]I think it's centreist leaning left, rather than hard left.[/QUOTE] The right wing media will paint it as loony lefties gone mad irrespective of what it contains and a lot of voters will lap it right up.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;52214065]The right wing media will paint it as loony lefties gone mad irrespective of what it contains and a lot of voters will lap it right up.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4493596/Labour-s-manifesto-Britain-1970s.html"]Disastrous 14 hours for Labour as party's 'longest suicide note' manifesto is leaked, Corbyn fails to show up at poster launch... and then his car runs over a BBC cameraman's foot[/URL]
man this looks pretty great
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;52214065]The right wing media will paint it as loony lefties gone mad irrespective of what it contains and a lot of voters will lap it right up.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm sure they will, and it makes me sad.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52214044]Zero hour contracts for people under 21 would be nice, it's great for college/uni students.[/QUOTE] I agree that it can be useful, especially for younger people. In principle it sounds like a great idea too, moving people away from being simply casual workers and to contracted employees with more workplace protections. But they're still highly insecure and there is no guarantee of work. If you need work and you want to work you might not be able to if you're not given the shifts, and they can be scheduled any time and at very short notice. There defiantly needs more regulation at the very least.
Capping executive pay at 20 times their lowest paid worker. The mad man's actually doing it but it really should be that way.
[QUOTE]Oppose a second Scottish referendum.[/QUOTE] Had me until this.
[QUOTE=Scot;52214106]Had me until this.[/QUOTE] I think you guys should stay with us if Labour gets in as I feel like they're more in line and would give you guys more of what you want, that said if Con win, bail the [I]fuck[/I] out.
This is a good manifesto but of course it will be destroyed by the right-wing media. All of my complaints about government are in this manifesto. This could change this country for the better.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52214114]I think you guys should stay with us if Labour gets in as I feel like they're more in line and would give you guys more of what you want, that said if Con win, bail the [I]fuck[/I] out.[/QUOTE] I would be more inclined to vote to stay if Labour were in power, assuming we did get a second referendum, but that doesn't change the fact they will still drag us out of the EU.
[QUOTE=Scot;52214120]I would be more inclined to vote to stay if Labour were in power, assuming we did get a second referendum, but that doesn't change the fact they will still drag us out of the EU.[/QUOTE] Soft brexit is dumb but it's not really that bad, compared to Mays vision of brexit. I don't think much would change with a soft brexit.
[QUOTE=Scot;52214106]Had me until this.[/QUOTE] Labours chances of actually winning are minimal, if they supported another referendum the chances of getting any votes would be even slimmer
Looks pretty good on paper. I'm just worried about how they would fund it all.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;52214144]Labours chances of actually winning are minimal[/QUOTE] Stop with this shit and actually do something about it, I'm tired of this defeatist attitude.
[QUOTE=David29;52214146]Looks pretty good on paper. I'm just worried about how they would fund it all.[/QUOTE] Higher tax on the top 5%. National Grid also brought in £3bn profit last year.
[QUOTE=David29;52214146]Looks pretty good on paper. I'm just worried about how they would fund it all.[/QUOTE] Pretty good manifesto. On tuition fees, the system has cost the government and the taxpayer more than they have saved. The railways are self serving instead of going into the pockets of shareholders, so I'd guess a more Keynesian approach if there are any tax + regulation changes. This is the first opportunity for real change in a long while.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52214071][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4493596/Labour-s-manifesto-Britain-1970s.html"]Disastrous 14 hours for Labour as party's 'longest suicide note' manifesto is leaked, Corbyn fails to show up at poster launch... and then his car runs over a BBC cameraman's foot[/URL][/QUOTE] don't really have words for this. So bad.
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