• U.S. sailors divulged sensitive information while held by Iran: Navy
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[quote]U.S. sailors who blundered into Iranian waters in January divulged sensitive information to their captors while held at gunpoint by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, a U.S. Navy report said on Thursday. It said some of the 10 crew members gave away capabilities of their vessels, one of them disclosing his vessel's potential speed and suggesting it was on a "presence" mission to demonstrate U.S. military power in the Gulf. The incident, which embarrassed the United States, rattled nerves days before implementation of a U.S.-nuclear accord between Iran and world powers negotiated by the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama. "It is clear that some, if not all, crew members provided at least some information to interrogators beyond name, rank, service number and date of birth," the report said. The report redacted names, but the Navy last week identified the commander of the boats' task force as Captain Kyle Moses and said he had been relieved of his command. In May, the Navy fired Eric Rasch, commander of the squadron that included the sailors.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-sailors-idUSKCN0ZG1YO[/url]
Does this make them eligible for President :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50634892]Does this make them eligible for President :v:[/QUOTE] no it means we need better counter-interrogation methods.
Did they gave away the real info or just told the iranians what they wanted to hear?
oh no, not the speed!
Why would they be put at gunpoint though? Is there some strained relations between the US and Iran I haven't heard about? Or do I just live under a rock? :v:
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50635016]oh no, not the speed![/QUOTE] id be worried about that info too, especially if that info is given to sub captains. your enemy cant hit you with a torpedo if they dont know how fast you're going
[QUOTE=VaSTinY;50635058]Why would they be put at gunpoint though? Is there some strained relations between the US and Iran I haven't heard about? Or do I just live under a rock? :v:[/QUOTE] [t]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3091/2873357130_517ee70781_z.jpg?zz=1[/t] [t]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/tm/2008/03/iranMOS0703_428x269_to_468x312.jpg[/t] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan[/url] You live under a rock. Iran and the United States haven't gotten along since the Shah was overthrown.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50635016]oh no, not the speed![/QUOTE] that's important information because if you can determine a vessel's speed you can calculate exactly how to hit it, as ships pretty much move in a line (although they can manoveour, you can account for it in any direction as you know their speed)
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50635016]oh no, not the speed![/QUOTE] Beyond actually being important as someone else covered, it doesn't really matter what information they gave; there's a policy as to what information they can give and they gave information beyond what is permitted.
Like, my understanding from my father (who served on subs in the USN) is that both the operation of a ship, and combat is all just math, and speed is an important variable for that math.
[QUOTE=bdd458;50635119]Like, my understanding from my father (who served on subs in the USN) is that both the operation of a ship, and combat is all just math, and speed is an important variable for that math.[/QUOTE] pretty much, past that point you really only need to figure out the ship's heading relative to yours. then everything else should be about the torpedo itself.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50634898]no it means we need better counter-interrogation methods.[/QUOTE] Or we could... You know... Start putting Riverine Squardrons through SERE like we should have.
I thought you couldn't be punished for divulging secrets as a captive?
I think this is all disinformation. They were sent there for a specific mission, as cover they pretended to stray off course and get caught. Then they give previously prepared answers to their captors. Then the military pretends to be upset at the breach of security, lulling Iran into a false sense of security. It all adds up. No one can be that stupid, to just give up info like that.
Isn't this illegal for Iran to do? Thought military prisoners were not allowed to be interrogated by international law?
Its news that the US is using its navy to project power?
Not surprised really. All though I'm pretty disappointed that it happened at all since it directly shits on the Code of Conduct anyway. Maybe they all fell asleep in the long (boring) brief we get like every year about becoming a POW/Detainee in uniform. I say I'm not surprised through my own personal bias with my experience with Navy as a Marine, on ship/in port/on deployment. Corpsmen excluded, the Navy gave off a somewhat unprofessional and undisciplined image. Stark contrasts between Navy and Marine obviously but to the point that now, seeing shit like this happen, only seems to reaffirm my belief that they need to start ramping up discipline on the branch as a whole. I know I can't blanket everyone in the Navy with that and I know a few members here are Navy so I'm not discrediting their service but I hope others can shed some light on the matter with their own experiences/understanding.
[QUOTE=Sammichman40;50635079]id be worried about that info too, especially if that info is given to sub captains. your enemy cant hit you with a torpedo if they dont know how fast you're going[/QUOTE] That was in WWII. Modern torpedos are radar-guided, knowing the vessel's speed is no longer relevant.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;50636160] I know I can't blanket everyone in the Navy with that and I know a few members here are Navy so I'm not discrediting their service but I hope others can shed some light on the matter with their own experiences/understanding.[/QUOTE] I can't help but agree a little. Some corpsmen in my unit are great while a lot of them just don't care.
wait , didn't iran got the vehicle into own hands ... so they could check the speed themselves ? I'm confused what's the fuzz about ... I would say other info about equipment was more important ...
isn't the speed available on google?
[QUOTE=Cuel;50637029]isn't the speed available on google?[/QUOTE] Ship speeds we release are always ball park numbers. Real ship speeds, or any military capabilities for that matter are highly classified.
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