• 'Too drunk to consent' - footballer jailed for rape
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[B]Footballer Ched Evans has been jailed for five years for raping a 19-year-old woman, while another player, Clayton McDonald, has been cleared. [/B]Wales and Sheffield United striker Evans, 23, was convicted by a jury at Caernarfon Crown Court. Both he and Port Vale defender Mr McDonald, also 23, had denied rape at a Premier Inn near Rhyl, Denbighshire. [B] The men admitted having sex with the woman on 30 May 2011, but said it was consensual. [/B]Court proceedings were disrupted after Mr McDonald was acquitted, prompting a brief adjournment. Mr McDonald, of Crewe, Cheshire, looked elated when his not guilty verdict was delivered, and family and friends shouted: "Yes, yes". One man left the public gallery and could be heard screaming outside the court. Mr McDonald remained in the dock while[B] Evans, 23, of Penistone, South Yorkshire, put his head in his hands and cried[/B].After the judge returned to court, the guilty verdict was delivered against Evans. [B]During the trial, the jury saw video interviews in which the woman, now 20, said she could not remember what happened and feared her drinks were spiked. She could not remember travelling to the hotel, but woke up in a double bed. [/B]"My clothes were scattered around on the floor," she said. "[B]I just didn't know how I got there[/B], if I had gone there with anyone. I was confused and dazed." The court heard that Evans, whose mother lives in Rhyl, had invited Mr McDonald and others for a bank holiday night out in the seaside town on 29 May. Because there was not enough space at Evans' mother's house, he booked Mr McDonald in to the hotel. [B] The court heard that Mr McDonald met the woman and took her back to the hotel room, sending a text to Evans stating he had "got a bird". [/B]During Evans' evidence, he told the jury he had gone to the hotel, let himself in to Mr McDonald's room and watched his friend and the woman having sex. [B]It was claimed Mr McDonald asked if his friend could "get involved", to which the woman said yes. [/B]The prosecution claimed that while the attack happened, Jack Higgins, an "associate" of the footballers, and Ryan Roberts, Evans' brother, watched through a window. Evans, a striker, has scored 35 goals for Championship club Sheffield United this season and has 13 caps for Wales. [IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59774000/jpg/_59774597_014484022-1.jpg[/IMG] [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842[/URL]
Good to see these ass holes got what they deserved.
Good. if the woman is too drunk to remember even doing it, it wasn't really her consenting, but the alcohol.
He looks real worried in the picture. I don't believe that bitch, she sure wanted attenctions and now the man gotta pay. Edit: I knew facepunch would have been all 'oh fuck this man he's such a monster!' What If it's a lie and he's the victim? Did somebody think of that? What if she wanted to cover up a rumor about her being gangbanged that spreaded? Reality =/= sensationalist headlines. Think outside the box. I also never said she deserved it. Hivemind, why did you misunderstand me
[QUOTE=lapsus_;35648563]He looks real worried in the picture. I don't believe that bitch, she sure wanted attenctions and now the man gotta pay.[/QUOTE] I'd look worried to if I was going to prison for rape. If prison in the UK(?) is anything like in the US this guy will be able to sit on a football and not feel it by the time he gets out.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;35648563]He looks real worried in the picture. I don't believe that bitch, she sure wanted attenctions and now the man gotta pay.[/QUOTE] Let me guess, she was asking for it or something, because like, she was a woman and shes just a slut.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;35648563]He looks real worried in the picture. I don't believe that bitch, she sure wanted attenctions and now the man gotta pay.[/QUOTE] "hmmn a girl was raped LOLNO LYING BITCH MONEYGRAB ATTENTIONWHORE HURR" -lapsus_, 4/20/12
If the drink was actually spiked then he deserves it. But if she was simply drunk to the pulp and consented but did not remember then imo he should be free. And if she lied about the situation, she should be the one who gets jailed.
If you get put in prison for rape in the UK you can guarantee that people are going to pay you a visit, I would be worried too.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;35648563]He looks real worried in the picture. I don't believe that bitch, she sure wanted attenctions and now the man gotta pay.[/QUOTE] Fuck you. [editline]20th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35648620]If the drink was actually spiked then he deserves it. But if she was simply drunk to the pulp and consented but did not remember then imo he should be free. And if she lied about the situation, she should be the one who gets jailed.[/QUOTE] Why is it that every time we get a story about a women being raped people instantly thinks she is lying?
How come one is found not guilty and the other is? That's just bullshit.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;35648633]Fuck you. [editline]20th April 2012[/editline] Why is it that every time we get a story about a women being raped people instantly thinks she is lying?[/QUOTE] I don't think AceOfDivine was saying she [I]is[/I] lying, I think he meant that if she [I]was[/I] lying, she should be put in prison instead. Which, imo, I agree with, if a person tries to ruin another persons life in such a dramatic way, they should be put in prison.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648559]if the woman is too drunk to remember even doing it, it wasn't really her consenting, but the alcohol.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I agree. That's not rape though.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35648620]But if she was simply drunk to the pulp and consented but did not remember then imo he should be free.[/QUOTE] Can you explain how you are mentally capable to give consent while "drunk to the pulp?" I assume you mean severely inebriated to the point where sitting on firecrackers sounds like a fun time. [QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;35648676] That's not rape though.[/QUOTE] Rape is sex without consent.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;35648633]Fuck you. [editline]20th April 2012[/editline] Why is it that every time we get a story about a women being raped people instantly thinks she is lying?[/QUOTE] because She should be in the kitchen no that was a terrible joke but really i have no say
Waking up in bed with a stranger and no memory of the night before seems so much more innocent on TV.
Where is the evidence that he spiked her drink, other than the woman being afraid that her drinks were spiked? He claims that he walked into the room and she consented to him joining in the act. Why is he being jailed for 5 years over this, what is the evidence of his guilt?
[QUOTE=Noble;35648734]Where is the evidence that he spiked her drink, other than the woman being afraid that her drinks were spiked? It says he walked into the room and she consented to him joining in the act. Why is he being jailed for 5 years over this, what is the evidence of his guilt?[/QUOTE] The evidence of his guilt is he had sex with her and she doesn't remember any of it, she woke up naked in a hotel room with no idea what had happened, and he said he had sex with her, along with a friend of him joining in. And she consented under heavy use of alcohol (which may have been spiked with a drug), meaning it really wasn't her consenting, but the alcohol/drugs making her want to in her addled state of mind.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648745]The evidence of his guilt is he had sex with her and she doesn't remember any of it, she woke up naked in a hotel room with no idea what had happened, and he said he had sex with her, along with a friend of him joining in.[/QUOTE] So he's guilty of a crime because she doesn't remember any of it? Why is his friend being cleared but not him? [quote]And she consented under heavy use of alcohol (which may have been spiked with a drug), meaning it really wasn't her consenting, but the alcohol/drugs making her want to in her addled state of mind.[/QUOTE] What evidence (not assumptions) is there that her drink was spiked with a drug? And why is one being charged and not the other?
[QUOTE=Noble;35648764]So he's guilty of a crime because she doesn't remember any of it? Why is his friend being cleared but not him?[/QUOTE] No, he's guilty because she "consented" under the influence of alcohol, and she might have been drugged, too.
You should be responsible for whatever you did while drunk as long as getting drunk was your willing decision. Unless she has solid evidence her drinks [I]were[/I] spiked, anything that happened to her might have not been consent in the right sense of meaning, but if you run somebody over while drunk, you and you only are responsible again. It's sentencing somebody who sold something to a drunk person. You don't get "temporary immunity to fucking up" when you get drunk. You got yourself drunk to shit and did dumb things? Well, good job, it's your problem. Robbing/hurting would be something different, as these are things that just can't be consensual. [editline]20th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648745]The evidence of his guilt is he had sex with her and she doesn't remember any of it, she woke up naked in a hotel room with no idea what had happened, and he said he had sex with her, along with a friend of him joining in. And she consented under heavy use of alcohol (which may have been spiked with a drug), meaning it really wasn't her consenting, but the alcohol/drugs making her want to in her addled state of mind.[/QUOTE] I tell you to have sex with me, we have sex, I say I remember nothing afterwards. Where is any actual evidence?
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648788]No, he's guilty because she "consented" under the influence of alcohol, and she might have been drugged, too.[/QUOTE] So what? Was she forced to get drunk? Where is the evidence that these men put drugs in her drinks also?
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648788]No, he's guilty because she "consented" under the influence of alcohol, and she might have been drugged, too.[/QUOTE] How drunk does someone have to be before they can no longer give consent?
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648788]No, he's guilty because she "consented" under the influence of alcohol[/QUOTE] And for all he knew, she was consenting. Now, before you go "bubut use common sense!!", realize that he's a professional footballer. To make a sweeping generalisation (like you are with the insinuated accusation), they aren't the brightest tools in the box.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648788]No, he's guilty because she "consented" under the influence of alcohol, and she might have been drugged, too.[/QUOTE] You can't just say someone is guilty because they "might" have done something. You need evidence.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;35648824]How drunk does someone have to be before they can no longer give consent?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure when you don't remember anything of the previous night, and are confused to find yourself naked in a strange hotel room, you're drunk enough to be unable to give consent. [editline]20th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ketchup v2;35648834]You can't just say someone is guilty because they "might" have done something. You need evidence.[/QUOTE] I didn't say that.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648837]I'm pretty sure when you don't remember anything of the previous night, and are confused to find yourself naked in a strange hotel room, you're drunk enough to be unable to give consent.[/QUOTE] Yes, but how apparent would it have been that she wouldn't remember anything the next morning?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35648791]You should be responsible for whatever you did while drunk as long as getting drunk was your willing decision.[/QUOTE] You are, but legally speaking no person is capable of giving consent (sexual or otherwise) under the influence of an intoxicant. It's not temporary immunity to fucking up, it's a biological fact that getting your drink on makes you mentally incompetent enough to invalidate your ability to legally give consent to anything.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35648837]I'm pretty sure when you don't remember anything of the previous night, and are confused to find yourself naked in a strange hotel room, you're drunk enough to be unable to give consent.[/quote] And how exactly were these two men supposed to know she was "too drunk to give consent", especially if they might have been (hypothetically) drinking themselves at the time? And hoodoo456, grow up and stop spamming the box rating you child
[QUOTE=Noble;35648871]And how exactly were these two men supposed to know she was "too drunk to give consent", especially if they might have been possibly drinking themselves at the time?[/QUOTE] I never said they should know, but I think most people have the common decency not to screw a girl who's as drunk as she was.
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