• Photo of children climbing on Vietnam Women’s Memorial causes outrage
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[quote]WASHINGTON — A photo that shows children climbing on the Vietnam Women’s Memorial has gone viral.The nation’s capital has many sites that honor the service and sacrifice made by those who served our country. The Vietnam Women’s Memorial was dedicated to the women of the United States who served in the Vietnam War, most of whom were nurses. [URL="https://www.facebook.com/pages/MatthewMArt/306894639508269"][U]Matthew Munson[/U][/URL] was visiting the memorial when some parents encouraged their children to climb on the memorial for a picture. “There wasn’t a lot of people at this point,” Munson said. “Then a big group of people showed up just as the kids were treating the memorial more like a jungle gym and the parents were laughing. Then the veterans showed up, and they looked hurt more than angry. They were quiet. “That’s when I noticed a big group around the parents glaring at them, the pressure was intense and the kids blissfully ignorant. That’s when I snapped the picture. I tried getting a good shot of the crowd and the parents too but no luck. Kids jumped down and skittered off with their parents.[/quote] [img]http://i.imgur.com/lU7CADX.jpg[/img] [url]http://kdvr.com/2015/03/24/photo-of-children-climbing-on-vietnam-womens-memorial-goes-viral/[/url] Pretty disrespectful I think.
The kids don't understand. But their parents must have known what that could possibly make veterans and other visitors feel like.
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;47393345] Pretty disrespectful I think.[/QUOTE] Well, they're kids. The article even mentions "blissfully ignorant".
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;47393361]Well, they're kids. The article even mentions "blissfully ignorant".[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is blaming the kids. [quote]Munson said people who feel it is disrespectful shouldn’t blame the children, though.“I feel like the parents should be ashamed, and anyone that tries to blame the kids are wrong in doing so. If you look at the hurt veterans, they are looking past the kids and towards the parents that are out of the frame.”[/quote]
That's dumb as shit, it's not the kids fault but the folks should definitely have known better.
I can see how the veterans might feel disrespected and how it is offensive, but at the same time I can't help but feel good about a war memorial being used by kids to play and laugh. Tough incident. I definitely cannot say the parents had the right idea, but I would rather see all the memorials dedicated to those who gave their life in war used as playgrounds for children than to see them something distant and cold.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;47393361]Well, they're kids. The article even mentions "blissfully ignorant".[/QUOTE] Literally the entire point of these types of monuments is to make sure that people aren't ignorant of the signifigance of whatever they represent. Not blaming the kids, but their parents should know to teach a respect for these things.
Those two veterans faces. Damn.
[QUOTE=Fetret;47393447]I can see how the veterans might feel disrespected and how it is offensive, but at the same time I can't help but feel good about a war memorial being used by kids to play and laugh. Tough incident. I definitely cannot say the parents had the right idea, but I would rather see all the memorials dedicated to those who gave their life in war used as playgrounds for children than to see them something distant and cold.[/QUOTE] Remembering historical events is not distant and cold at all, it's the opposite. As for playgrounds kids do tend to have those specifically built for them. I don't see why historical monuments made of bone shattering steel should have poorly coordinated fragile children jumping around on them.
This reminds me of a comment on reddit, somebody was taking their kids to the D-day memorial over in Europe. I think it was at Omaha Beach i believe. As they were there, they were with another big group of parents and kids on vacation. The tour guide they were with was explaining of what happened on the beach to the parents while most of the kids were just being restless and ignorant. He then asked the kids to see if who could out run the tidal waves on the edge of the beach and run towards the cliffs. Even though the kids were just enjoying it as a game, most of the parents were just speechless, seeing their kids doing the exact same thing that the US soldiers did long ago. Shows you how much kids don't understand these things yet.
Oh fuck off you old farts. I know of a vet who had no problem with this and said he's just happy to see kids being kids.
You realize alot of vets risked their lives for peoples freedom, watched their friends die, and some ended up with life long mental or physical issues. And you just called them "old farts?"
[QUOTE=ferrus;47393848]Oh bugger off you old farts. I know of a vet who had no problem with this and said he's just happy to see kids being kids.[/QUOTE] How fucking rude and ignorant can you get? "How dare you get upset over a monument to the dead (quite possibly your dead friends) being disrespected you old fucks!"
[QUOTE=ferrus;47393848]Oh bugger off you old farts. I know of a vet who had no problem with this and said he's just happy to see kids being kids.[/QUOTE] And my grandfather who lost literally half his friends in vietnam still has troubles talking about it till this day. Monuments are meant to respected, not played on.
Boo hoo, some children are playing on an inanimate object. Get a grip.
[QUOTE=ferrus;47394349]Boo hoo, some children are playing on an inanimate object. Get a grip.[/QUOTE] Are you saying it would be alright if the statue was alive?
[QUOTE=ferrus;47394349]Boo hoo, some children are playing on an inanimate object. Get a grip.[/QUOTE] Hi, do you know what a monument is? Protip: if it was just an 'inanimate object', nobody would have bothered building it in the first place.
Kind of interesting they don't have chains around that one, like the Korean war memorial does have chains around it
I wouldn't be surprised if the parents of the kids didn't and probably still don't give a shit about this. They're probably saying "It's just a statue!" with no respect to the people it was built to honor. Plus why wasn't there a sign saying "Stay off the statue" or something in place to keep people from doing shit like that? But then again from what I've seen most people in this country have little to no respect for authority whats so ever and probably would've ignored a sign. But yes I agree, the parents are the ones at fault here, they should've known better than to let their kids climb on the statue.
[QUOTE=ferrus;47394349]Oh fuck off you old farts. I know of a vet who had no problem with this and said he's just happy to see kids being kids.[/QUOTE] Oh look at this guy with his virtual "veteran" friends
[QUOTE=ferrus;47393848]Oh fuck off you old farts. I know of a vet who had no problem with this and said he's just happy to see kids being kids.[/QUOTE] What a naive thing to say. So this one veteran you "know of" represents every single veteran of the Vietnam war? Maybe this one guy you're talking about experienced no combat during his service so he has a difficult time seeing how others could have negative feelings towards a memorial picturing a wounded soldier being used as a playground.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47394123]How fucking rude and ignorant can you get? "How dare you get upset over a monument to the dead (quite possibly your dead friends) being disrespected you old fucks!"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=codemaster85;47394276]And my grandfather who lost literally half his friends in vietnam still has troubles talking about it till this day. Monuments are meant to respected, not played on.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Blazyd;47395004]What a naive thing to say. So this one veteran you "know of" represents every single veteran of the Vietnam war? Maybe this one guy you're talking about experienced no combat during his service so he has a difficult time seeing how others could have negative feelings towards a memorial picturing a wounded soldier being used as a playground.[/QUOTE] I'm curious, given the kind of symbolism the American flag has for many veterans, why is the reaction in this thread to a perceived act of disrespect of a monument the polar opposite of whenever it's a story about perceived disrespect of the flag? I mean the last news story we had about a flag, the general reaction was 'it's an inanimate object, get over it', so why is respect for an inanimate object held as a symbol warranted with this? Not trying to call anyone out, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning here.
Did anyone actually ask the parents to get their children to stop? The article says that people just sneered at them. Getting mad at someone over something despite not actually asking them to stop, and then going and shaming them online for it, is pretty damn passive-aggressive.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47395078]I'm curious, given the kind of symbolism the American flag has for many veterans, why is the reaction in this thread to a perceived act of disrespect of a monument the polar opposite of whenever it's a story about perceived disrespect of the flag? I mean the last news story we had about a flag, the general reaction was 'it's an inanimate object, get over it', so why is respect for an inanimate object held as a symbol warranted with this? Not trying to call anyone out, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning here.[/QUOTE] To be honest I personally didn't see the disrespect in last flag thread. Also in this case about the memorial, the kids aren't purposfully playing on the monument as a means to disrespect it, they're just being kids. But they should still be taught that memorials aren't playgrounds, and are for honoring/remembering certain people/events. How would you feel if you saw a bunch of kids playing on one of your family members graves?
I think if I was a veteran I would actually be rather pleased, seeing those I put my life at risk for being happy and care-free.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;47395004]What a naive thing to say. So this one veteran you "know of" represents every single veteran of the Vietnam war? Maybe this one guy you're talking about experienced no combat during his service so he has a difficult time seeing how others could have negative feelings towards a memorial picturing a wounded soldier being used as a playground.[/QUOTE] Where did I say he represents everyone? I referred to one vet's opinion. I have no doubt that others do not feel that way, as much as I disagree with getting upset over something so trivial and harmless.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;47395178]To be honest I personally didn't see the disrespect in last flag thread. Also in this case about the memorial, the kids aren't purposfully playing on the monument as a means to disrespect it, they're just being kids. But they should still be taught that memorials aren't playgrounds, and are for honoring/remembering certain people/events. How would you feel if you saw a bunch of kids playing on one of your family members graves?[/QUOTE] A flag isn't directly remembering people who died in a pointless war.
It's a beautiful juxtaposition really. The pain of the past is contrasted against the childish joy of the present. It may be disrespectful but surely there is something happy in the way the kids can roam carefree despite the markers of war and suffering being present.
[QUOTE=ferrus;47394349]Boo hoo, some children are playing on an inanimate object. Get a grip.[/QUOTE] Every time there's a thread involving [I]someone[/I] being offended by [I]something,[/I] in swarm leagues of Facepunchers hoping to jump at the chance to look intelligent and post something like the above.
Visited DC and saw this memorial 2 weeks ago, very powerful
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