• Valve: "We don't have any plans to change after EU Court Ruling"
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[IMG]http://images.pcgamesn.com//steamsummersale.jpg[/IMG] [quote]Forget what your fancy judge rules, you won't be returning your Steam games any time soon.[/quote] [quote] In the last week the [URL="http://www.pcgamesn.com/article/court-justice-european-union-rules-author-software-cannot-oppose-resale-his-used-licences"]European Court of Justice ruled on a case[/URL] that could have massive implications for digital game sales in Europe. In the case, the court ruled that a publisher “could not oppose the resale of used licenses” in effect paving the way for a market in used downloaded games. When PCGamesN asked about Valve’s response to the ruling at the Develop Conference in Brighton, Valve’s Director of Business Development Jason Holtman offered a concise response: “we don’t have any plans to change”. When pressed, he repeated the phrase: “we don’t have any plans to change.” Jason also offered a little bit of perspective on the difficult issue of games being withdrawn from sale on Steam in the UK. Over the last three years, games using Steamworks (Valve’s publishing, matchmaking and achievement platform) have been withheld from sale on Steam, but been made available in retail stores - and no developer, publisher or retailer has been prepared to go on record as to why. In effect, gamers could only buy Steam games in brick and mortar stores. It had been speculated that local retailers were attempting to put pressure on publishers to delay them publishing games on Steam. But whatever the reason - it was exceptionally odd. “There are lots of reasons why those things happen,” explains Jason, “and we don’t comment on that. But I think what the important piece about Steam and Steamworks is is that we decouple those things [i.e. you can use Steamworks without publishing on Steam]. At the end of the day, the partner can choose what to do. We haven’t linked those two things up. If you have a Steamworks enabled game and don’t want it on the store, or it isn’t on the store for another reason, that’s fine as well." In the past six months, the situation appears to have been resolved. “You’re right,” says Jason, "it was odd. But I think it worked out in the end for customers.” [/quote] [URL]http://www.pcgamesn.com/article/valve-dont-have-plans-change-after-european-court-justice-ruling-offers-perspective-uk-steam-game[/URL]
I hope they don't get in any legal trouble
i hope they do its bullshit you cant resell your own steam games
won't the EU just make them stop selling in EU which 50-70% of their money comes from? why the dumbs? EU could even stop them because they're not following it's laws such a one way system "we don't like your law but we'll still sell games in the eu so fuck you" if a EU based company like steam was breaking a law like this in america heads will roll.
[QUOTE=parket;36722112]i hope they do its bullshit you cant resell your own steam games[/QUOTE] "OOh sweet, Max Payne 3 for 75% off! What's that Gabe? I can sell it for full price after the sale has finished? Why that's beneficial for [I]all[/I] parties!"
On the one hand it would be nice to sell shit games again, on the other hand this would impact sales drastically. If you can just buy a hundred copies for 5$ and resell them for 30$ a few weeks later publishers and developers will be pissed. Too be honest I'm happy Valve doesn't plan to change anything.
What happens to huge Steam sales if you can resell your Steam library? Valve needs to get a cut from it in one way or another.
Being to sell my Steam games would be good. I wasted money on Crysis 2
maybe mark which price the game was bought at so it can't be sold higher? then take 20% off every resale?????? or would that be too smart?
It would be nice to be able to resell single player games at least
[QUOTE=koeniginator;36722101]I hope they don't get in any legal trouble[/QUOTE] They won't. It might be legal to sell the games, but since they're tied to your account, you'd have to sell the account with it. And I'm pretty sure Steam bans for that, don't they?
[QUOTE=krakadict;36722128]won't the EU just make them stop selling in EU which 50-70% of their money comes from?[/QUOTE] I hope not, cause that would suck ass.
It would be nice to be able to trade games with other users. To be honest, I'm not all that interested in selling them.
I dunno, I'm pretty okay with not being able to resell bioshock, seeing as I got it for about two quid anyway.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36722135]"OOh sweet, Max Payne 3 for 75% off! What's that Gabe? I can sell it for full price after the sale has finished? Why that's beneficial for [I]all[/I] parties!"[/QUOTE] You dunce, the point made is that you can't sell your copy to OTHER INDIVIDUALS. It's like saying I bought a HDTV, oh whoops, I'm legally constrained to keep it under my ownership forever now. It's not saying they're keeping the Steam department of Valve or any other digital distribution service from denying customers the ability to sell back a game. There's an obvious loss of profit there. The concept behind this ruling is something Valve already practices to a certain degree with the trading system anyway. Let's say I buy a game, if I apply it to my account, it's permanently in my license copy ownership. I purchased the right to play the game, but before I had applied it to my account, I had the opportunity to give it to someone else. This ruling attempts to eliminate the permanence of that license ownership. If I get tired of a game, I would have the legal right to give it (or in this case, sell it) to a friend. Now how Valve is going to get around that in the UK, I don't know. Maybe just provide a library to inventory provision for those living there, and give them the ability to trade it away.
[QUOTE=Paramud;36722189]They won't. It might be legal to sell the games, but since they're tied to your account, you'd have to sell the account with it. And I'm pretty sure Steam bans for that, don't they?[/QUOTE] If they did they'd have a little legal trouble in court :)
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36722135]"OOh sweet, Max Payne 3 for 75% off! What's that Gabe? I can sell it for full price after the sale has finished? Why that's beneficial for [I]all[/I] parties!"[/QUOTE] "Wait what? What do you mean you can't return stuff bought during a sale? I know that's how it works in actual retail shops, but I expected it to be different in an online store! Plus how was I to know you had the records showing that I bought the game when it was on sale?!"
As a result, PCGamesN was terribly misleading with their header, "Forget what your fancy judge rules, you won't be returning your Steam games any time soon." [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fetret;36722287]"Wait what? What do you mean you can't return stuff bought during a sale? I know that's how it works in actual retail shops, but I expected it to be different in an online store! Plus how was I to know you had the records showing that I bought the game when it was on sale?!"[/QUOTE] Exactly. This, too.
[QUOTE] Jason also offered a little bit of perspective on the difficult issue of games being withdrawn from sale on Steam in the UK. Over the last three years, games using Steamworks (Valve’s publishing, matchmaking and achievement platform) have been withheld from sale on Steam, but been made available in retail stores - and no developer, publisher or retailer has been prepared to go on record as to why. In effect, gamers could only buy Steam games in brick and mortar stores. It had been speculated that local retailers were attempting to put pressure on publishers to delay them publishing games on Steam. But whatever the reason - it was exceptionally odd. “There are lots of reasons why those things happen,” explains Jason, “and we don’t comment on that. But I think what the important piece about Steam and Steamworks is is that we decouple those things [i.e. you can use Steamworks without publishing on Steam]. At the end of the day, the partner can choose what to do. We haven’t linked those two things up. If you have a Steamworks enabled game and don’t want it on the store, or it isn’t on the store for another reason, that’s fine as well." In the past six months, the situation appears to have been resolved. “You’re right,” says Jason, "it was odd. But I think it worked out in the end for customers.”[/QUOTE] I didn't know about this. :pwn:
[QUOTE=SinineSiil;36722159]What happens to huge Steam sales if you can resell your Steam library? Valve needs to get a cut from it in one way or another.[/QUOTE] I don't think people are THAT stupid to resell all their games. Would you sell your Half-Life or TF2 or any of those good games? Don't think so. The goal now here, the way I see it, is to promote longevity, and value. Make the player hold on to that game with long-ass replayability, and because that game is fucking awesome. With the game becomes obsolete, it's now dirt cheap.
[QUOTE=Fetret;36722287]"Wait what? What do you mean you can't return stuff bought during a sale? I know that's how it works in actual retail shops, but I expected it to be different in an online store! Plus how was I to know you had the records showing that I bought the game when it was on sale?!"[/QUOTE] I'm completely cool with not being able to resell my steam games if I can still get these 75% off sales. Because I'm pretty sure they won't happen otherwise.
[QUOTE=parket;36722112]i hope they do its bullshit you cant resell your own steam games[/QUOTE] "Punctuation? What's that?" [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BlkDucky;36722370]I'm completely cool with not being able to resell my steam games if I can still get these 75% off sales. Because I'm pretty sure they won't happen otherwise.[/QUOTE] Exactly.
You guys need to stop propagating that this is a matter of selling your games back to Steam. [B]This is not what this court ruling was over.[/B]
[QUOTE=amcfaggot;36722378]You guys need to stop propagating that this is a matter of selling your games back to Steam. [B]This is not what this court ruling was over.[/B][/QUOTE] Where are you getting that idea? I don't see anyone suggesting that's what it is at all.
I have a sinking feeling
Steam's a great service and I think not being able to return your cheap Summer and Christmas games is the price you pay :smile:
I love facepunch - argues that piracy is OK because software is not a physical item and then argues we should be able to resell it because you can do that with a tangible product.
You should be able to exchange your games with other Steam users.
Watch as they implement their own super-easy and useful STEAM ™ Fleamarket ® in a few years. Because that's Valve.
[QUOTE=JesterUK;36722410]You should be able to exchange your games with other Steam users.[/QUOTE] You do realize all the problems (legality and otherwise) a system like that would create?
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