• German Transgendered girl Alex, has been institutionalized.
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[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35285296]I'm sorry did I ask for a rant? No, I asked for the name of the facility you went to that cured you of your homosexuality. I'm honestly curious as to what facility exists that can actually do this successfully. Don't dance around my question.[/QUOTE] I agree, I too am curious of this facility.
I hardly think two sentences qualifies as a rant. To address your question, which is offensive I remind you, I never went to any sort of facility. There was no professional help involved. No outside parties, no doctors of any kind, no members of any church. No social pressure to change, no family pressure to change. Does that adequately answer your question? EDIT: [QUOTE=QueenSasha24;35285298]Because it is impossible. Mind backing up your statements with more than "I swear guys! I was gay and now i'm not!"?[/QUOTE] Do you want newspaper clippings? Seriously, what kind of proof could I produce that would convince you?
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285284]Thanks for being just as ignorant as the people you've been smearing. "Stop being such intolerant assholes, let people be who they want to be" and then in the same breath "What, you were gay then you became straight? No way, You are full of shit. Its impossible"[/QUOTE] what the hell is this it was a joke man chill out
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285330]I hardly think two sentences qualifies as a rant. To address your question, which is offensive I remind you, I never went to any sort of facility. There was no professional help involved. No outside parties, no doctors of any kind, no members of any church. No social pressure to change, no family pressure to change. Does that adequately answer your question?[/QUOTE]Ok then. Next question: What drove you to change your own sexuality?
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[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35285342]Ok then. Next question: What drove you to change your own sexuality?[/QUOTE] dora the explorer (a joke from the other thread about GID that claimed that the trans child apparently became trans due to watching dora the explorer at an early age.)
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35285342]Ok then. Next question: What drove you to change your own sexuality?[/QUOTE] The most factored answer would be "I did not like who I was"
So yeah SaltyWaters I ask about what drove you to change your own sexuality because it really strikes me as odd that there are homosexuals out in the world that have committed suicide over the nonacceptance they receive for being homosexual and that they can't change it. And yet here you are claiming you had absolutely no reason to change. "No outside parties, no doctors of any kind, no members of any church. No social pressure to change, no family pressure to change." Why is it that there are homosexuals who do have massive social pressure to change but they can't and yet you supposedly changed your sexuality on a whim? Oh speak of the devil you already posted. Really not satisfied with your answer btw. [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] To be perfectly honest I think you are just trolling us. [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] And to put it in a more extreme sense, there are homosexuals in the world who live in places where homosexuality is illegal and even punishable by death. Why is it that these people can't simply change their sexuality, when in some cases there lives may actually depend on it.
It's a sad day when a court rules that being a good parent is wrong. This also sets a dangerous precedent.
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285090]Why is that being used as an argument in your favor? It is completely possible to change your sexuality. I know from experience, having made that change myself.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ how much bullshit can you spew? I've tried and it hasn't worked, it is NOT possible to change my [b]gender identity[/b]. [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285181]If your worldview is so narrow that you can not accept what I've said as fact, Then I have absolutely no problem with that. However, when others try to prevent another individual from even considering that there are alternative ways of living out there, that is when I will need to speak up. It is an incredibly ignorant and, quite frankly, offensive kind of culture that pidgon-holes people into thinking that they have no choices in how they live their lives. The circumstances of birth have an impact on how a life plays out, however it is the choices made in that life that will ultimately determine your destiny. To put it in simpler terms, Just because you were "Born That Way" does not mean that you have to live that way.[/QUOTE] It is incredibly ignorant to think that we can just change our gender identity on a whim. Claiming you can change your sexuality and gender identity is just so much bullshit. I'm guessing you would rather force me to live as a male and kill myself before I reach 18 than seek treatment and live happily as a transitioned female. [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285421]The most factored answer would be "I did not like who I was"[/QUOTE] You were obviously never gay or instead tried to repress it. If you did repress it, then being gay will probably come up later in life as you try to live a lie.
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285090]Why is that being used as an argument in your favor? It is completely possible to change your sexuality. I know from experience, [b]having made that change myself.[/b][/QUOTE] Suddenly anecdotes! And chances are mate you just liked porking other holes and couldn't admit it to yourself if that's what you mean. Fuck yeah correct yet mildly offensive page king go!
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285181]If your worldview is so narrow that you can not accept what I've said as fact, Then I have absolutely no problem with that.[/QUOTE]I'm not accepting anything you say as a fact unless there's an actual fact backing up what you've said.[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285330]Do you want newspaper clippings? Seriously, what kind of proof could I produce that would convince you?[/QUOTE]Well then I think I'll consider sexuality to be rigid since a huge number of people who go through "ex-gay therapy end up depressed, with mental health issues or killing themselves, the same thing that happens to people diagnosed with gender dysmorphia when they're forced to fit the stereotypes of their biological sex.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35283429]What? They are perfectly comparable. There are people who hate other races purely out of ignorance and there are people who hate transgender people out of ignorance. There have been hate crimes committed against people based on race and there have been hate crimes committed against people based on them being transgender. I fail to see this "far gap" that makes the two incomparable. And in this case there are people who treat transgender people like they are diseased and in need of a cure.[/QUOTE] Racism has caused the enslaving and killing thousands of human beings. While yes, people are assholes to gays and transgenders, I still think their problems pale in comparison to what racism has caused.
Every single time Germany does something wrong. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk[/media]
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35288150]Racism has caused the enslaving and killing thousands of human beings. While yes, people are assholes to gays and transgenders, I still think their problems pale in comparison to what racism has caused.[/QUOTE] Or how about instead of tackling a single facet of the issue you attack the root cause of ignorance and then suddenly you're fighting every problem at once.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35288224]Or how about instead of tackling a single facet of the issue you attack the root cause of ignorance and then suddenly you're fighting every problem at once.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting re-education or something?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35288150]Racism has caused the enslaving and killing thousands of human beings. While yes, people are assholes to gays and transgenders, I still think their problems pale in comparison to what racism has caused.[/QUOTE] Who suffers more is completely irellevant. The point is, people are still being discriminated against, and I don't really think the extent of it matters; the fact that it's even happening at all means that there's the environment for it to grow, and bad environments make everyone look horrid.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35288305]Are you suggesting re-education or something?[/QUOTE] No I'm suggesting proper education, cause if you had that in America people wouldn't be ignorant enough to hate people based on skin colour, where or not a guy identifies as a girl or what hole someone likes to stick their dick in.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35288455]No I'm suggesting proper education, cause if you had that in America people wouldn't be ignorant enough to hate people based on skin colour, where or not a guy identifies as a girl or what hole someone likes to stick their dick in.[/QUOTE] You're not seriously suggesting racism and gay rights are only a problem in America are you?
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35288455]No I'm suggesting proper education, cause if you had that in America people wouldn't be ignorant enough to hate people based on skin colour, where or not a guy identifies as a girl or what hole someone likes to stick their dick in.[/QUOTE] You do realise this pretty much shows that this is a global problem, not just one country.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35288150]Racism has caused the enslaving and killing thousands of human beings. While yes, people are assholes to gays and transgenders, I still think their problems pale in comparison to what racism has caused.[/QUOTE] Yeah and the Holocaust pales in comparison to racism. First of all, many, many gay and trans people have been KILLED for being gay/trans, so it's a pretty big problem. Secondly, why would it even matter? Point is, people are still being hurt so don't try to downplay what they go through.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35285575]It's a sad day when a court rules that being a good parent is wrong. This also sets a dangerous precedent.[/QUOTE] Or maybe the father is the good parent here trying to fight for his son's right for treatment? It's funny how some refer to me and others that we're simply "dictating his life" while at the same time, you're stuffing the kid with ideas that could [i]permanently[/i] affect his life.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;35289447]Or maybe the father is the good parent here trying to fight for his son's right for treatment? It's funny how some refer to me and others that we're simply "dictating his life" while at the same time, you're stuffing the kid with ideas that could [i]permanently[/i] affect his life.[/QUOTE]No, this is not something other people are putting on him, that isn't how this shit works at fucking all. God damn, read the thread, it's been covered over and over again. [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] I mean, you are being intentionally ignorant at this point when people have specifically pointed this out to you before in this thread. Fuck, they've even cited studies on the issue. Being transgender is not something put on you by other people, its not some silly fantasy kids have, its not a thoughtless decision. It is a very serious realization that most children come to very early in their life and one that can dramatically hurt them if left ignored.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;35289447]Or maybe the father is the good parent here trying to fight for his son's right for treatment?[/QUOTE] Or maybe the father is a complete [I]fucking moron[/I], rallying for his child to undergo unnecessary and emotionally damaging* exclusion from society despite it going against widely accepted scientific theory [B]and[/B] [I]having never been part of his child's life[/I]; thus doing it solely through principle. [I]Yknow[/I], just a thought.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;35289447]Or maybe the father is the good parent here trying to fight for his son's right for treatment?[/QUOTE] Except the best, most humane and most realistic way of "curing" a gender identity disorder is to change one's gender, not to convince him that he is in the right body when there are symptoms that go beyond mere mental condition and will still affect the kid even if he is forced to believe he's in the right body. The father doesn't fight for his child's right of treatment, he just denies his condition and refuses to admit that the best solution is to let him be what he should be. [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] Giving a boy that should be in a girl's body the ability to be in a girl's body is the most humane way possible to solve the problem.
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;35285330]To address your question, which is offensive I remind you, I never went to any sort of facility. There was no professional help involved. No outside parties, no doctors of any kind, no members of any church. No social pressure to change, no family pressure to change. Does that adequately answer your question?[/QUOTE] Oh, great and wise Salty, we implore you to reveal to us commoners, what magnificent method did you use? We plebeians wish to know the way to change our sexuality at will, that the entire fields of modern psychology and medicine have yet to discover, and that people whose lives literally depend on changing their sexuality could not discover, but you, the all-powerful Salty, managed to figure out for no reason other than "i'unno i just felt like it okay"? Once you reveal your wondrous ways to us and the world, surely your name will go down in history as the savior of all homosexuals and a genius of modern science, and will be rightly rewarded with millions upon millions of dollars.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35288150]Racism has caused the enslaving and killing thousands of human beings. While yes, people are assholes to gays and transgenders, I still think their problems pale in comparison to what racism has caused.[/QUOTE] I would love to see you say that to the face of a homosexual who fled one of the various countries that holds the death penalty for being gay. Oh hey I can turn your own logic against you. Are there any countries in the world that currently hold the death penalty for being a certain race?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35288150]Racism has caused the enslaving and killing thousands of human beings. While yes, [B]people are assholes to gays and transgenders[/B], I still think their problems pale in comparison to what racism has caused.[/QUOTE] Understatement of the year. Transgender people in the United States face a 1 in 12 chance of being murdered.
[QUOTE=Herb;35290842]Transgender people in the United States face a 1 in 12 chance of being murdered.[/QUOTE] Seriously? [I]Serously!?[/I] Jesus fucking christ that's fucked up!
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35285033]You completely misunderstand what GID is. It isn't like a mental problem and can't be fixed with mental therapy because gender identity is rigid and can't be changed. GID is when you have a gender identity that conflicts with your biological sex. The only real way to treat it is to accommodate the transgender person's body to his or her gender identity. Trying to cure someone of GID by changing their gender identity is like trying to cure someone of homosexuality by changing their sexuality.[/QUOTE] As bullshit as this German girl's treatment is, I am reluctant to declare that neither sexuality nor gender identity are absolutely unchangeable. Certainly no current therapies appear to work, thus making it effectively so, but it may be possible. Furthermore I maintain that a change in gender identity would be extremely much more ideal (were it possible) than the messy operations of a sex change.
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