• Iran threatens preemptive action against "enemy."
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[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34817422]we wouldn't go in for a nation building effort like we did in Iraq[/QUOTE] "nation building" = codeword for corporations to impose capitalism on iraq. i'm sure we'd do the same thing with iran
[QUOTE=muesli23;34817432]"nation building" = codeword for corporations to impose capitalism on iraq. i'm sure we'd do the same thing with iran[/QUOTE] no, we wouldn't want another debt-heavy operation that would do that any military action would be focused on crippling iran's nuclear capabilities and arms industries to prevent them from rearming.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34817473]no, we wouldn't want another debt-heavy operation that would do that any military action would be focused on crippling iran's nuclear capabilities and arms industries to prevent them from rearming.[/QUOTE] dude it's all about oil monopoly
[QUOTE=muesli23;34817522]dude it's all about oil monopoly[/QUOTE] then why has all the rhetoric been focused on the nuclear weapons? Iran's oil production capability is also well under Iraq's
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34817540]then why has all the rhetoric been focused on the nuclear weapons? Iran's oil production capability is also well under Iraq's[/QUOTE] And Canada's for that matter.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;34817569]And Canada's for that matter.[/QUOTE] Keystone XL would be a LOT cheaper than starting nation-building in Iran.
[QUOTE=fluke42;34810116]Nuke from orbit, problem solved.[/QUOTE] Kill millions of innocent citizens Ejected from the UN Entire world turns against us President gets impeached/assassinated/both, goes down in history as the most irresponsible leader ever Nuclear apocalypse Destroy the world Nuclear action is [h2]never[/h2] a good idea. I cannot stress this enough.
[QUOTE=Sie-Sveinhund;34817928]Kill millions of innocent citizens Ejected from the UN Entire world turns against us President gets impeached/assassinated/both, goes down in history as the most irresponsible leader ever Nuclear apocalypse Destroy the world [/QUOTE] I'd believe just cutting trade would suffice to completely wreck most countries. How many countries are truly self sufficient in terms of food, not to even mention fuel?
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34817422]we wouldn't go in for a nation building effort like we did in Iraq Also, IAEA inspectors have said that there is [b]significant[/b] suspicion of nuclear weapons in iran.[/QUOTE] I heard somewhere that our own CIA say that Iran isn't close to building a nuclear golf ball, nevermind a bomb capable of doing any significant damage. They tend to be a little bit more specialized than some random inspectors that probably were only allowed to see some fake props.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;34818217]I heard somewhere that our own CIA say that Iran isn't close to building a nuclear golf ball, nevermind a bomb capable of doing any significant damage. They tend to be a little bit more specialized than some random inspectors that probably were only allowed to see some fake props.[/QUOTE] only the CIA knows, it's pointless speculating what the spooks know.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;34818217]I heard somewhere that our own CIA say that Iran isn't close to building a nuclear golf ball, nevermind a bomb capable of doing any significant damage. They tend to be a little bit more specialized than some random inspectors that probably were only allowed to see some fake props.[/QUOTE] I wonder if that's anything close to the Americans' nuclear football.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34818567]only the CIA knows, it's pointless speculating what the spooks know.[/QUOTE] CIA isn't exactly so omniscient, the capabilities of their analysts and etcetera have allegedly been not as top notch as we are lead to believe. CIA has also actively taken part in creating the myth around itself, sometimes to even cover up their screw ups in the past. CIA was wrong about Iraq's nukes and it was wrong about the Cuban missile crisis (They actually received reports from an agent working at a road checkpoint that large cylindric items were being transported on trucks under tarpaulins but they didn't take it for real) as things that first come to mind.
[QUOTE=Falchion;34818901]CIA isn't exactly so omniscient, the capabilities of their analysts and etcetera have allegedly been not as top notch as we are lead to believe. CIA has also actively taken part in creating the myth around itself, sometimes to even cover up their screw ups in the past. CIA was wrong about Iraq's nukes and it was wrong about the Cuban missile crisis (They actually received reports from an agent working at a road checkpoint that large cylindric items were being transported on trucks under tarpaulins but they didn't take it for real) as things that first come to mind.[/QUOTE] when did I say they were omniscient? I'm just saying speculating about what the CIA knows is pointless, because only the CIA knows what the CIA knows. (and yeah you could argue about that with inter-agency shit, but idgaf) lerp.
Am i experiencing Deja vu here? How many countless times has these guys been threatening to blow up the U.S. and Israel and their allies?? How long has this "middle-eastern cold war" even been going?! Do they seek revenge or what?? (faq punches to my face are appreciated)
[QUOTE=Kitteyh Pitzroy;34819374]Am i experiencing Deja vu here? How many countless times has these guys been threatening to blow up the U.S. and Israel and their allies?? How long has this "middle-eastern cold war" even been going?! Do they seek revenge or what?? (faq punches to my face are appreciated)[/QUOTE] How many times have Israel and the U.S. done the same?
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34817540]then why has all the rhetoric been focused on the nuclear weapons? Iran's oil production capability is also well under Iraq's[/QUOTE] it's a casus belli they did the same thing with iraq iran produces something like 4 million oil barrels a day, iraq does something like 2 million
[QUOTE=muesli23;34821173]it's a casus belli they did the same thing with iraq iran produces something like 4 million oil barrels a day, iraq does something like 2 million[/QUOTE] so? their reserves are around the same, Iran just produces more because they need it for domestic use since their population is much bigger. if we wanted more oil, we could get it way more cheaply by developing Iraq's production capacity more, or by getting it from canada, which has more than both. The entire fucking "military-industrial" complex argument has more validity than this "oil" crap.
I'm still betting middle of March/later part of March for a strike on Iran. I'm going to a congress with my father to Stuttgart next week, where there will be Iranians participating. Maybe I should ask them if they are looking forward to military service... :v:
"Iran is not a nation to sit still and just observe threats from fragile materialist powers which are being eaten by worms from inside." Yes. Another favorite quote.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34817540]then why has all the rhetoric been focused on the nuclear weapons? Iran's oil production capability is also well under Iraq's[/QUOTE] To be pedantic. the "lol oil" argument is generally just about energy security in the region than actually using missile launched oil pipes. And a nuclear Iran can really disrupt the wes'ts influence over the entire region.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34825668]To be pedantic. the "lol oil" argument is generally just about energy security in the region than actually using [b]missile launched oil pipes.[/b] And a nuclear Iran can really disrupt the wes'ts influence over the entire region.[/QUOTE] HAHAHAHA I see what you did there. also, thread music [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDVA9O5gQc[/media] I'm going to post that in EVERY new iran thread
I truly wonder if America could come out on top if they had it out with Iran.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34819472]How many times have Israel and the U.S. done the same?[/QUOTE] Good point... But probably not as much in public as Iran. I think the U.S and Israel tend to be more silent when planning the location for the bomb drops.
Just nuke each other and be done with it.
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34831159]I truly wonder if America could come out on top if they had it out with Iran.[/QUOTE] There's no doubt that America would win in the end, but it would still be a very costly victory.
For everyone going "lol wed own iran", I think the main concern is how much fucking damage Iran could do first, especially if it has nuclear capabilities (the answer is a lot.) Even if it doesn't, I don't think anyone but the most Jingoistic of us wants another long, drawn out conflict in the middle of the desert that'll wind up getting a load of people killed. Here's hoping no one kicks the hornet nest.
And people don't fucking pay attention to Afghanistan. Mountain combat sucks.
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