• Massive Government Report Says Climate Is Warming And Humans Are The Cause
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[url]http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/02/561608576/massive-government-report-says-climate-is-warming-and-humans-are-the-cause?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202802[/url] [quote]It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the "dominant cause" of global warming, according to the the most comprehensive study ever of climate science by U.S. government researchers. The climate report, obtained by NPR, notes that the past 115 years are "the warmest in the history of modern civilization." The global average temperature has increased by about 1.8 degree Fahrenheit over that period. Greenhouse gases from industry and agriculture are by far the biggest contributor to warming. [B]The findings contradict statements by President Trump and many of his Cabinet members, who have openly questioned the role humans play in changing the climate. "I believe that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do," EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt said in an interview earlier this year. "There's tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact."[/B] That is not consistent with the conclusions of the 600-plus page Climate Science Special Report, which is part of an even larger scientific review known as the fourth National Climate Assessment. The NCA4, as it's known, is the nation's most authoritative assessment of climate science. The report's authors include experts from leading scientific agencies, including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA and the Department of Energy, as well as academic scient[/quote]
This isn't even news anymore. It's well known and documented. The rest of the world is moving forward except for our dumbass country. It's incredibly embarrassing and downright dangerous. I hope one day these "leaders" will stand trial for crimes against humanity for their part in impeding science.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52848435]This isn't even news anymore. It's well known and documented. The rest of the world is moving forward except for our dumbass country's government and those who support it. It's incredibly embarrassing and downright dangerous. I hope one day these "leaders" will stand trial for crimes against humanity for their part in impeding science.[/QUOTE]
No shit? There's been so much evidence that we're causing it. So many studies. It shouldn't even be in doubt anymore. Of course such evidence doesn't matter when you're in the pockets of people who are profiting from it.
But why trust the government? /s
release report -> sue government for lying -> ??? -> action. you can't just arbitrarily pick a position in government, not if that government is responsible to the people and guarded by the courts
People who say it isn't caused by humans are dishonest people, because logically such people should be much more concerned about the climate than anyone else. If it isn't our emissions, what the hell else kind of cosmic horror would be causing our planet to heat up at the unprecedented rates we're seeing today?
Yeah the temperatures are rising 5 times faster than even before and CO2 levels are rising like 40 times faster than ever before. To assume it's a coincidence those started rising so fast after industrial revolution is a giant leap of faith.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52848435]This isn't even news anymore. It's well known and documented. The rest of the world is moving forward except for our dumbass country. It's incredibly embarrassing and downright dangerous. I hope one day these "leaders" will stand trial for crimes against humanity for their part in impeding science.[/QUOTE] I really wish we could Make America Great Again, but the people using that moniker will never admit what is really holding us back: the wealthy that profit off limited competition and old world industries. We could be a country with nearly nation-wide fiber internet, electric cars, and renewable energy; but instead our leaders and their influences cling to short-term money above all else.
Climate change is an inside job.
In other news, leaves are falling off of trees right now and the cause is very likely fall.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52848435]This isn't even news anymore. It's well known and documented. The rest of the world is moving forward except for our dumbass country. It's incredibly embarrassing and downright dangerous. I hope one day these "leaders" will stand trial for crimes against humanity for their part in impeding science.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, we're down here with you.
[QUOTE=Tomato Hentai;52850678]In other news, leaves are falling off of trees right now and the cause is very likely fall.[/QUOTE] So that's what that is..
"LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALA" -[I]the entire republican party[/I]
[QUOTE=dustyjo;52851183]"LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALA" -[I]the entire republican party[/I][/QUOTE] ''Muh bacon'' [i]-87% of the United States[/i] There's so much impact possible if people only went on a vegetarian diet, yet only 6% is able to make that change. I look forward to the 87% gloating when they waited another 25 years before going ''vegetarian'' by eating lab-grown meat. Yeah, this sounds incredibly petty and whiny, but so is blaming a political system when you can't be arsed to change a tiny aspect of your life. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Muh Memeshit. Also, what?" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Faunze;52850639]Climate change is an inside job.[/QUOTE] Well I'd certainly hope so. If it was an outside job that would imply some alien race is responsible which would also imply they're far superior to us technologically. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Kaelnukem;52851741]''Muh bacon'' [i]-87% of the United States[/i] There's so much impact possible if people only went on a vegetarian diet, yet only 6% is able to make that change. I look forward to the 87% gloating when they waited another 25 years before going ''vegetarian'' by eating lab-grown meat. Yeah, this sounds incredibly petty and whiny, but so is blaming a political system when you can't be arsed to change a tiny aspect of your life.[/QUOTE] Humans are omnivores. We need proteins and other nutrients from meat. A vegetarian diet that doesn't neglect that is difficult to balance and far more work than most people are willing to put out simply to eat.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;52851741]''Muh bacon'' [i]-87% of the United States[/i] There's so much impact possible if people only went on a vegetarian diet, yet only 6% is able to make that change. I look forward to the 87% gloating when they waited another 25 years before going ''vegetarian'' by eating lab-grown meat. Yeah, this sounds incredibly petty and whiny, but so is blaming a political system when you can't be arsed to change a tiny aspect of your life.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is this? What does this even have to do with anything?
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;52851741]''Muh bacon'' [i]-87% of the United States[/i] There's so much impact possible if people only went on a vegetarian diet, yet only 6% is able to make that change. I look forward to the 87% gloating when they waited another 25 years before going ''vegetarian'' by eating lab-grown meat. Yeah, this sounds incredibly petty and whiny, but so is blaming a political system when you can't be arsed to change a tiny aspect of your life.[/QUOTE] Are you okay :/
[QUOTE=dustyjo;52852427]What the fuck is this? What does this even have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] Agriculture and the massive amount of meat people eat is one of the contributors to climate change. Cattle account for a pretty significant chunk of emissions for stuff like methane and agricultural runoff is some seriously terrifying shit, so that's probably what
[QUOTE=Sitkero;52852605]Agriculture and the massive amount of meat people eat is one of the contributors to climate change. Cattle account for a pretty significant chunk of emissions for stuff like methane and agricultural runoff is some seriously terrifying shit, so that's probably what[/QUOTE] The big issue there though isn't even that it's meat. It's the kind of meat that's the issue. Cows are one of the worst species to raise for meat. They take a lot of resources and produce a lot of pollution for the same amount of meat as other species.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;52851741]''Muh bacon'' [i]-87% of the United States[/i] There's so much impact possible if people only went on a vegetarian diet, yet only 6% is able to make that change. I look forward to the 87% gloating when they waited another 25 years before going ''vegetarian'' by eating lab-grown meat. Yeah, this sounds incredibly petty and whiny, but so is blaming a political system when you can't be arsed to change a tiny aspect of your life.[/QUOTE] Beef is a lot worse than bacon. We can probably get away with people eating meat and still combat climate change, if you could move people away from beef and to other meats. Pork is actually one of the most efficient meats in terms of CO2 emissions iirc.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52852598]We could just start eating all the poor people[/QUOTE] [I]Make Soylent Green Again[/I]
[QUOTE=Sitkero;52852605]Agriculture and the massive amount of meat people eat is one of the contributors to climate change. Cattle account for a pretty significant chunk of emissions for stuff like methane and agricultural runoff is some seriously terrifying shit, so that's probably what[/QUOTE] Wouldn't agricultural run-off only become a more common problem if we all switched to plant-based foods?
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;52851741]There's so much impact possible if people only went on a vegetarian diet,[/QUOTE] It would be pretty good for the environment if we did that, but I think this kind of statement is a big problem with this debate. People talk about it like it's meat or no meat, when in reality there's real health issues associated with the [I]amount[/I] or [I]ratio[/I] of meat compared to vegetables that we eat. Maybe we should start tackling the debate with [I]"it would be better for people, and the environment, if we cut down on our meat consumption"[/I], rather than trying to convince people to believe in a currently unimaginable meat-free society?
[QUOTE=Morgen;52852701]Beef is a lot worse than bacon. We can probably get away with people eating meat and still combat climate change, if you could move people away from beef and to other meats. Pork is actually one of the most efficient meats in terms of CO2 emissions iirc.[/QUOTE] There were reports last year that introducing a certain type of seaweed or algae to cow feed resulted in a 90%+ reduction in the methane emissions of cattle. I haven't heard much on that since, however. I wonder what the practical limitations of rolling that out on a national scale would be? Surely we could have mass production of the kind of seaweed needed with relatively little fuss.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52852977]Wouldn't agricultural run-off only become a more common problem if we all switched to plant-based foods?[/QUOTE] The amount of plants required to feed animals for meat is far greater than if the plants are eaten directly - reducing meat demand would also reduce demand for crops, or choosing animals which require less plant matter for the same amount of meat would also work.
I still have the entire EPA website pre 2016 election that has literally all of their climate research and shit on it. This report is joining my archive. Come at me oil company fuckos.
[QUOTE=RedDagger;52854113]The amount of plants required to feed animals for meat is far greater than if the plants are eaten directly - reducing meat demand would also reduce demand for crops, or choosing animals which require less plant matter for the same amount of meat would also work.[/QUOTE] Livestock can consume plants that humans cannot. We cannot subsist on open fields of wild grass pastures, which is the vast majority of plant matter.
[QUOTE=Zyler;52854184]Livestock can consume plants that humans cannot. We cannot subsist on open fields of wild grass pastures, which is the vast majority of plant matter.[/QUOTE] A lot of corn is grown purely for cattle feed, though. Granted it's a bit lower-grade than what's considered fit for human consumption.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52853491]There were reports last year that introducing a certain type of seaweed or algae to cow feed resulted in a 90%+ reduction in the methane emissions of cattle. I haven't heard much on that since, however. I wonder what the practical limitations of rolling that out on a national scale would be? Surely we could have mass production of the kind of seaweed needed with relatively little fuss.[/QUOTE] Why not just feed the cows grass which they were biologically designed to do, instead of something artificial to their diet? [editline]4th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zyler;52854184]Livestock can consume plants that humans cannot. We cannot subsist on open fields of wild grass pastures, which is the vast majority of plant matter.[/QUOTE] Livestock eat corn because it fattens them up better than grass. Unfortunately, cows were not designed to eat corn and so feeding them corn ends up causing severe intestinal diseases and incredible dietary issues for the animals. (There is a reason why every year or two, there is a massive beef recall for ecoli outbreaks.) One of the issues with this diet is that it gives cows severe gas problems, which contributes massive amounts of methane and other gasses to the atmosphere. Just tack that on to all the diesel and gasoline burned just to harvest and ship the corn to the cows, too. [editline]4th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RedDagger;52854113]The amount of plants required to feed animals for meat is far greater than if the plants are eaten directly - reducing meat demand would also reduce demand for crops, or choosing animals which require less plant matter for the same amount of meat would also work.[/QUOTE] Alternatively, cut the massive massive amount of government subsidies to the meat industry (which is impossible because the meat industry is one of the largest lobbying groups in the country) and you will find a more balanced diet on everyone's plates. Really there is no fucking reason in this universe to why meat is more cheap than produce at the supermarket. [editline]4th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;52852977]Wouldn't agricultural run-off only become a more common problem if we all switched to plant-based foods?[/QUOTE] Immediately, yes, but only because large agri-corporations will refuse to change as much as they can get away with. It's perfect possible to grow massive amounts of produce without all the herbicides, pesticides, and chemical fertilizers that eventually get into the waterways, it's just that it's also far more expensive to do so, and thus company heads refuse to cut into their profits one penny just to be more kind to the environment. [editline]4th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Morgen;52852701]Beef is a lot worse than bacon. We can probably get away with people eating meat and still combat climate change, if you could move people away from beef and to other meats. Pork is actually one of the most efficient meats in terms of CO2 emissions iirc.[/QUOTE] Don't have to get rid of beef, just have to get rid of the inhumane and environmentally-damaging processes we use to make it so widely available.
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