• Parasite Shkreli smugly silent at Congressional hearing - tweets about 'imbeciles' later
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i'd hang out with him tbh
[QUOTE=rilez;49683802]People love focusing on the negative. He raised the price of a drug and he's smug on twitter, he clearly deserves death in prison. As for the fraud allegations, innocent until proven guilty... I don't see why he should have to communicate, when he's been advised by his lawyers not to.[/QUOTE] His raising of the drug price has potentially caused a huge amount of suffering and who knows, perhaps will even lead to someone dying due to not being able to afford it should no generic alternative be developed. I wouldn't say execute him, but if he say, falls off a cliff and dies, I wouldn't be losing any sleep.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49684824]That doesn't justify his actions though. Not in the slightest.[/QUOTE] Yeah it doesn't. The point I was trying to make was that Martin shouldn't be the only person to take the fall for this systematic abuse. People in the legislature are also at fault for actively allowing this sort of thing to be legal in the first place. In short, send your congressman an unhappy letter about this issue. Sorry if I wasn't being clear about that.
[QUOTE=Twistai;49683709]Actually he's not that bad of a guy and alot of stuff about him is misrepresented. It was interesting to hear his perspective. [video=youtube;2PCb9mnrU1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCb9mnrU1g[/video][/QUOTE] I never really thought he was a bad guy. I think he likes to play the embodiment of greed, but I think he's not unlike any other business executive. I understand his claims about how drug price hikes are only going to hurt insurance companies, etc., I'm not sure how that actually translates to people who need daraprim to live. I don't think he callously disregards their personal well being, but I think it's easy for someone as wealthy as him to become out of touch with the reality of the healthcare industry for the average person. He seems like a pretty chill dude to hang out with though. Seems like kind of a know it all though. Also that "journalist" looks like she's 12
To everyone saying he's a sociopath: Honestly, sounds more like he's a businessman who doesn't know shit about PR. When you get down to it, making money is about making money, not protecting feelings. If you're an airliner company, and it turns out that by adding extra emergency exits your planes you would save 20% more people in the event of a crash... you do some calculations, figure out the cost of adding those exits, figure out how much you lose due to extra fuel, less seats, and downtime, and then you compare it to how much people sue you for wrongful death lawsuits. If it costs more to fix it than the marginal benefit, you don't do it. If people need the medication to live and they have insurance, the insurance pays for it. If they need the medication to live and they don't have insurance, they can get it through the company. [editline]6th February 2016[/editline] Not to mention the fact that there are much bigger killers whose exorbitant treatment costs are ignored because it's been that way for a while, instead people are focusing on a drug with only 1000-ish users in the US.
What he did was the work of true scum but he was fully within his right to price hike it, even at 5,000%. This blame falls back to the congress for failing to properly regulate the pharmaceutical industry.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49684627]Why does a 60 year old drug need to be so expensive that people can't afford it to begin with and need to count on the generosity of the company that knocked the price up[/QUOTE] The company that knocked the price up had to buy the rights from another company, for a large sum. How do you expect them to pay off the difference? If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Impax for holding Daraprim for that sum.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49684627]Why does a 60 year old drug need to be so expensive that people can't afford it to begin with and need to count on the generosity of the company that knocked the price up[/QUOTE] Because companies exist to make money and they discovered that increasing the price would make money. Since we live in a free(mostly) market, this is legal. And then, they made it free for anyone who didn't have insurance. Pretty good deal, in the end.
imo there isn't really anything wrong with charging companies like Wal-Mart whatever amount if you're giving it the the government for a buck, giving it to people that can't afford it, and using the majority of the profits to make the drug less destructive. All that's left for people to be mad about is that he isn't taking anything seriously. Can't say I'd react any differently to a bunch of internet douchebags swarming my social media.
He's a piece of shit, but on the other hand the liberal smear campaign against this guy is just outrageous and a distraction from more important things in the world. There are bigger pieces of shit out there in even higher positions making worse decisions in the world, and nobody gives a fuck because they didn't buy that stupid wu-tang clan album for $2 million.
[QUOTE=Perrine;49684816]just because other people are doing the same thing doesn't make it any less bad[/QUOTE] no. it doesn't. what it does do, is give you perspective as to why this one event isn't nearly as bad as you say it is. It gives you perspective as to how the industry functions, and how regular events like this are on a small scale. It lets you know that the industry as a whole has been doing this for years and that you're outrage is only directed at a visible front of it, not at the fucking problem itself. Outrage about something like this is useless because the industry looks at this and says "Thank fuck all those people are ignoring what we're doing and focusing on this idiot".
[QUOTE=BenJammin';49685296]He's a piece of shit, but on the other hand the [B]liberal smear campaign[/B] against this guy is just outrageous and a distraction from more important things in the world. [/QUOTE] How to find the Republican :D I always find it funny how Republicans use the word "liberal" -- free -- as a bad word :D
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49685308]How to find the Republican :D I always find it funny how Republicans use the word "liberal" -- free -- as a bad word :D[/QUOTE] In this day and age it has become synonymous with people to the left and far-left of the political spectrum.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49685308]How to find the Republican :D I always find it funny how Republicans use the word "liberal" -- free -- as a bad word :D[/QUOTE] Liberal doesnt mean free. Also, ad hominem is bad too.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49685308]How to find the Republican :D I always find it funny how Republicans use the word "liberal" -- free -- as a bad word :D[/QUOTE] how do you know he's a republican? I would say my views align mostly with the left side but anyone can see it's mostly liberal media that are trying to fuck with this guy because it generates clicks and views.
[QUOTE=polarbear.;49683899] I don't condone what he did with his company and in the stock market, but I think there are worse people out there that should be brought to light. .[/QUOTE] "There are worse X" isn't a valid argument, he even brings it up in the interview, basically admitting he's part of the problem.
[QUOTE=dark-vivec;49685576]"There are worse X" isn't a valid argument, he even brings it up in the interview, basically admitting he's part of the problem.[/QUOTE] yeah but the thing is, i'm pretty sure my [I]boss[/I] is a worse guy. it doesn't take much to do worse things than the things that generate all these nothing complaints from the public.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49685598]yeah but the thing is, i'm pretty sure my [I]boss[/I] is a worse guy. it doesn't take much to do worse things than the things that generate all these nothing complaints from the public.[/QUOTE] I just think more outrage should be generated towards the system that lets this kind of stuff take place, the entire healthcare/insurance/pharmaceutical industry. Not scapegoating this one person, having him punished, then collectively forgetting about it as if the problem is solved.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49684739]Would you all do yourselves a favour, and look at the amount other drugs are raised silently, quietly, slowly, but all doing the [b]exact same thing?[/b] Profit gouging. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Perrine;49684816]just because other people are doing the [b]same thing doesn't make it any less bad[/b][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49685303]no. it doesn't. what it does do, is give you perspective as to why this one event [b]isn't nearly as bad[/b] as you say it is.[/QUOTE] ok lol [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49685303] Outrage about something like this is useless because the industry looks at this and says "Thank fuck all those people are ignoring what we're doing and focusing on this idiot".[/QUOTE] he's a component of the industry but i guess people shouldn't be mad about it because it's physically impossible to care about more than one thing at a time :downs:
[QUOTE=Perrine;49685928]ok lol he's a component of the industry but i guess people shouldn't be mad about it because it's physically impossible to care about more than one thing at a time :downs:[/QUOTE] Fine, whatever get outraged about one instance of one shitty thing and ignore the real problem go ahead, you're doing so much for the world with your useless outrage that isn't even pointed in the right direction
[QUOTE=Perrine;49685928]ok lol[/QUOTE] it's fairly obvious what he means regardless of if he's able to phrase it properly, calm down with the sarcasm buddy :) [QUOTE=Perrine;49685928]he's a component of the industry but i guess people shouldn't be mad about it because it's physically impossible to care about more than one thing at a time :downs:[/QUOTE] ok but do you actually give a shit about it to the same degree because I have yet to see one person share that strong sentiment toward other faceless organizations. shkreli is just an easy target and a distraction
It's like you truly don't understand that this is nothing in the scope of the industry and the fucked up shit they do, that you never know about. But you're so right, this is the real issue, this is the real problem, not the systemic abuse of the system that goes on, no, just the one instance of something fucked up. yeah, as I said, this guy did fuck up, but it's literally irrelavent to the scale of greed that the industry itself puts out. Go ahead, chase this guy down, pat yourself on the back for being angry about one guy doing one thing and then do what the rest of the world will do, ignore the real fucking problem.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49683917]it's not only very disrespectful [/QUOTE] Respect is earned, not given; and with Congress' track record...
[QUOTE=Untouch;49683857]he's very clearly a sociopath and needs help[/QUOTE] He sure has the "effortlessly manipulating people with superficial charm" part down pat.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49685953]Fine, whatever get outraged about one instance of one shitty thing and ignore the real problem go ahead, you're doing so much for the world with your useless outrage that isn't even pointed in the right direction[/QUOTE] Except Perrine isn't ignoring the real problem at all? The point of the post you quoted is that people can be outraged at both Shkreli and the industry, it doesn't have to be one or the other. But go ahead, you're doing so much for the world with your useless outrage that isn't even pointed in the right direction...
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;49686614]Except Perrine isn't ignoring the real problem at all? The point of the post you quoted is that people can be outraged at both Shkreli and the industry, it doesn't have to be one or the other. But go ahead, you're doing so much for the world with your useless outrage that isn't even pointed in the right direction...[/QUOTE] I don't care about shrekli because he's meaningless next to the large companies. He's a media whore. Why should I care when the real "villainous" companies will never face charges like this? Why's he facing charges and not them? Media attention, why does he have more media attention? He generates more outrage then the real problem does.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49686638]I don't care about shrekli because he's meaningless next to the large companies. He's a media whore. Why should I care when the real "villainous" companies will never face charges like this? Why's he facing charges and not them? Media attention, why does he have more media attention? He generates more outrage then the real problem does.[/QUOTE] You know who else people dislike? Lance Armstrong. He wasn't the only person cheating, there was a systemic issue. But when you willingly take on a public image like that, people will naturally dislike you and do so on a large scale 90% of people are saying 'I don't like this guy, I wouldn't be upset if he went to jail for fraud', you're vastly overthinking the situation and assuming that people really give a shit about the larger issue, and aren't just pissed off at a guy that is smugly acting like he's got away with being a scummy businessman Also on this subject, what are you doing? If you're in a good place to judge other people's dislike of a person, telling them they're allocating their outrage incorrectly, I assume you've been writing to your congressman weekly regarding pharmaceutical companies
If he only raised 100% i would still respect him but 5000%? Naaaaah
I'm Canadian, I can't effect their system. My country will still be effected by it. I'm really wondering why my statement of "be more mad at the systemic injustices this system readily produces on a regular basis rather than a one off media whore" is so objectionable to you guys. I'm just saying being mad at the one guy will do nothing. Be mad about the system. Or just get mad at me for saying being mad about shrekli being worthless
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49686638]I don't care about shrekli because he's meaningless next to the large companies. He's a media whore. Why should I care when the real "villainous" companies will never face charges like this? Why's he facing charges and not them? Media attention, why does he have more media attention? He generates more outrage then the real problem does.[/QUOTE] How long have you even cared about the large companies? Ever since this Shkreli business started you've taken a sudden interest in "the real problem", I didn't see you preaching about the corrupt pharma industry beforehand. You should accept that the attention Shkreli gets is making more people aware of the larger issues, yourself included.
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