• USA finally getting High speed Railway, starting with California
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[QUOTE=certified;36691885]Well, this became an Anti-American circlejerk pretty fast.[/QUOTE] Circlejerk is quickly becoming a new overused word on Facepunch, which is a shame because it has a legitimate use. This thread is not one of those times.
[QUOTE=certified;36691885]Well, this became an Anti-American circlejerk pretty fast. Well, congratulations America! You might be a big boy like the rest of the civilized world some day if you keep on this track.[/QUOTE] You got too distracted reading the derail, that you missed the whole debate. American isn't like the smaller countries and it will cost a lot of money to create, maintain, and the fare will be a lot.
[QUOTE=QuikKill;36691989]You got too distracted reading the derail, that you missed the whole debate. American isn't like the smaller countries and it will cost a lot of money to create, maintain, and the fare will be a lot.[/QUOTE] Lots of spending will equal lots of jobs. That means their economy (I hear Cali is the worst of the entire country) will get a boost from this project. This is only a good thing.
[QUOTE=certified;36692017]Lots of spending will equal lots of jobs. That means their economy (I hear Cali is the worse of the entire country) will get a boost from this project. This is only a good thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah but the farms won't, and then California will continue to put pressure on the Midwest for food, and Illinois crops this season are very poor due to the lack of rain.
[QUOTE=certified;36692017]Lots of spending will equal lots of jobs. That means their economy (I hear Cali is the worse of the entire country) will get a boost from this project. This is only a good thing.[/QUOTE] That is where you are wrong. Lots of spending =/= lots of jobs. Yes sometimes when you create huge statewide projects, it creates a stimulus of workers, but not always. I think this is a bad idea right now, in the future this could be great.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36692059]Yeah but the farms won't, and then California will continue to put pressure on the Midwest for food, and Illinois crops this season are very poor due to the lack of rain.[/QUOTE] Doesn't America import most of it's crops from Mexico and South America though?
[QUOTE=certified;36692017]Lots of spending will equal lots of jobs. That means their economy (I hear Cali is the worse of the entire country) will get a boost from this project. This is only a good thing.[/QUOTE] Creating new jobs is all well and good, but we won't know how beneficial a high-speed rail really is until we know how much it costs per ticket and how convenient it is to use. I'm all for them giving it a try though.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36692059]Yeah but the farms won't, and then California will continue to put pressure on the Midwest for food, and Illinois crops this season are very poor due to the lack of rain.[/QUOTE] Yes, I am in Wisconsin and it's bad. No solid rain for over 10 weeks I think, crops are failing left and right.
YES no more flying to my grandma's! I CAN RIDE THE TRAIN TO E3 this is awesome.
We need a massive work project to get thing's going again. They should set up an office in every major city that has a sign: "Want a job? Apply here!" and put as many unemployed people to work building a massive rail network that connects all major cities with high speed rails. If you have to, raise taxes on people that can afford it and allocate the funds to do it. America has lost its [i]fuck-yeah-lets-build-this-shit-because-we-can[/i] mentality that we had with the Interstate, Hoover dam, Erie and Panama canals, and the skyscrapers of new york. We need something to get our super-project mojo back.
[QUOTE=Foda;36690391]$65 Billion? Holy shit that's a lot.[/QUOTE] 65 billion to build a high speed rail is nothing against improving a country's terrible infrastructure. We're spending 8 billion a month in Afghanistan, you know. If we weren't spending 685 billion a year at war on average, social programs might not look so expensive. Our schools might stop falling apart, et cetera. Our country is losing 71 billion a year in church tax exemptions. If churches paid taxes for a year, the entire project could be funded off of that alone.
Do iittt!! I may not use it myself as I simply enjoy driving, but we need high-speed rail. It's too damn pricey and too invasive to fly if you're not going international.[QUOTE=mac338;36691106]Come to Norway. See if your measly $3-4/gallon gas can compete with our $11/gallon gas, or our 25% sales tax alongside an already added import fee. Or go to Sweden and enjoy a 60% income tax.[/QUOTE] You do realize how much more you make per hour in those countries too, right? Besides, just because it's higher there doesn't mean the california rates aren't bullshit either.
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While I don't disagree with infrastructure improvement, it really annoys me how the europeans default to the 'why don't you have this already, it's so easy to do!' attitude when it comes to public transportation. The largest EU member state, France, would only be the third-largest state. Also more importantly population density etc etc it gets brought up every time but it still irks me
[QUOTE=mac338;36691106]Come to Norway. See if your measly $3-4/gallon gas can compete with our $11/gallon gas, or our 25% sales tax alongside an already added import fee. Or go to Sweden and enjoy a 60% income tax.[/QUOTE] the upside being that you fucking get to live in norway
I really hope this won't take years to build :{
Hows about you throw some of those the midwest's way :(
Sounds cool. Would be better if they slowly upgrade most main rail to high speed rail too.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;36689651]I never got why America doesn't use trains as much as other countries.[/QUOTE] Because America is huge, and it's population centers are spread out in multiple directions.
It better be fast the whole way, TGV or better, and go from one side of the country to the other. Also it should have a giant dildo on the front so it can fuck all the NIMBY's on it's way through.
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[QUOTE=Upgrade123;36689651]I never got why America doesn't use trains as much as other countries.[/QUOTE] America uses trains a shitton, probably just as much as your average European country does Thing is, we only use them for freight, not passenger travel. You can do passenger travel trains, but there's only one or two and it takes something like 5 days to travel cross country in one (with stops, of course). Fact of the matter is, the Interstate Highway System the US has, and the US's reliance on automobiles negates serious use of train travel. Since driving a car is pretty much the same, requires no upfront cost other than paying for your own gas and having a car (which most people have, and you'd need to have in order to get access to a train depot anyways), is often quicker, and has a lot more freedom in where you can go. Plus when you get to your destination you don't have to get a rental car to get anywhere. And if you want to get somewhere fast, just fly. Trains work well in Europe because Europe is smaller than america, and it is much more population dense. There are litterally vast stretches of land in America where it is nothing but wilderness - its a very large country. Trains are excellent in areas of high population density where there is easy access to it and good routes. Not that great when the population density means train depots can only be located in areas of higher density to justify the cost, which mean you'd have to travel much farther to get to a depot. Not to mention, a small european country paying for a rail system to connect to another small european country's rail system (to eventually connect all of Europe) = much cheaper than a single very large country trying to pay for a single (very large) rail system. Especially when you already have the Interstate Highway System - the largest road system on earth, and the largest "public works" project ever done by mankind. It's practically a world wonder and construction feat of itself, and part of the reason why Suburbs became huge in America. Just not an impressive looking wonder, so nobody actually cares about it :v: Also, on the subject of the article, while this is cool, I still don't like how expensive the ticket will be. It'll actually be borderline cheaper AND faster to fly, which makes me think this will end up being a money pit that no one ends up using.
This is coming from someone who has lived in the middle of LA their entire life and I think that this is a good thing. People drive hours and hours just to get to their job in LA and let's not even begin to talk about the traffic jams and the plain old 5:00 rush that happens every day. If people were to take this train to their destination it could lighten up the roads a bit and get people to save their money a bit. This is of course if they lower the prices for these things. The everyday commuter would want to pay less to go on these things. Oh, and we do use trains. As the guy above me said they're used for cargo not transport most of the time. A train usually passes by my house at least several times a day. Amtrak used to come through here but they stopped and have never come back since.
every city in the US needs a massive boost to it's public transportation. and a fucking tax on those damn suburbanites that commute into the city but not paying a dime in taxes to it to maintain roads and such
[QUOTE=Lazor;36716466]every city in the US needs a massive boost to it's public transportation. and a fucking tax on those damn suburbanites that commute into the city but not paying a dime in taxes to it to maintain roads and such[/QUOTE]Raise the Gas Tax to $1/gal, tie it to inflation, split the rev 50/50, and make all major highways tolled, split the money 50/50. Oh look a shit load of money and new riders for transit! Oh and end all oil subsidies too because its not like the companies need the money when they keep making record profits.
[QUOTE=Political Gamer;36716971]Raise the Gas Tax to $1/gal, tie it to inflation, split the rev 50/50, and make all major highways tolled, split the money 50/50. Oh look a shit load of money and new riders for transit![/QUOTE] Major highways area already tolled, unless you meant for it to be an expensive toll, in which case I think all you'd achieve is making people less likely to travel long distances. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] Toll roads around here and badly designed anyway, if you take a wrong turn or need to get off the highway for a second, then you have to pay again to get back on the highway. I'd rather not have more of that.
[QUOTE=Lazor;36716466]every city in the US needs a massive boost to it's public transportation. and a fucking tax on those damn suburbanites that commute into the city but not paying a dime in taxes to it to maintain roads and such[/QUOTE] Preetty sure the county lines where large cities are involved include the surrounding area. I can only speak of Los Angeles County which is a fuckhuge thing extending far past the city proper, but a rudimentary look at the county around like, chicago, shows it covers pretty much anywhere remotely close to suburbia.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;36720681]Preetty sure the county lines where large cities are involved include the surrounding area. I can only speak of Los Angeles County which is a fuckhuge thing extending far past the city proper, but a rudimentary look at the county around like, chicago, shows it covers pretty much anywhere remotely close to suburbia.[/QUOTE] Yeah, LA county is huge. It even extends to the desert on the other side of the mountains and as far a few of the islands offshore.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;36720681]Preetty sure the county lines where large cities are involved include the surrounding area. I can only speak of Los Angeles County which is a fuckhuge thing extending far past the city proper, but a rudimentary look at the county around like, chicago, shows it covers pretty much anywhere remotely close to suburbia.[/QUOTE] Except you don't pay property taxes and such to your county, you pay them to the city you live in. If you live in a suburb but work in the city, you are paying taxes twoard that suburb, not the city. However I think income tax is exempt from this. I.E. you pay local income tax wherever your location of work is. I could be wrong though. And I think income tax is actually not taxed by the city you are in, only by the state/federal governments
this whole thing was such a scam though, the reported costs for the project went up rapidly over the last four years this project isn't new or suddenly came about, it's old, been stretched out, and hasn't seen the light of day since it's original proposal, which was something like 4 years ago this article makes it seem like it's a new fantastic thing for the US, and there's absolutely nothing to worry about with financial costs the burden is so heavy that California can't pay for it out of its own costs, so it required federal tax funds as well
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