• BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at
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I have a feeling they targeted Paris just because of Charlie.
same shit happened yesterday with Lebanon but it wasn't as bad here
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115294]It still doesn't make any sense, why would they want to cause fear to the western world? so that they all attack ISIS? I don't know but ISIS can't really be that dumb[/QUOTE] In order to fuel islamophobic flames, triggering revenge attacks against innocent muslims, enforcing the "us-vs-them" mentality and trying to gain sympathy with those same muslims so that as many of them as possible become more likely to sympathize with or even join IS.
I still feel incredibly sick from this subject...Its just so fucking surreal.
[QUOTE=Havolis;49115308]same shit happened yesterday with Lebanon but it wasn't as bad here[/QUOTE] Can you post a link to a news source? If I google it all I get is Paris shootings or a shooting at a mall in a Lebanon in somewhere in USA.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49115174]They're not a legitimate state, they're a terrorist group that relies on blending in with the innocent to protect themselves. They have no negotiating power, they have no terms of surrender, they have no borders and they have no army. This is not a kind of war we're used too and we have to recognize that it can not be fought the way we've fought in the past. edit: No, this is NOT a conventional war. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think that we can just drive a bunch of tanks into the middle east blow up some tents that say "ISIS" and leave. What happens when they get to the middle east? "Oh look, there's a bunch of muslims here, fancy that, where's ISIS??" and no matter how many of their members they find and kill their presence there will only strengthen their resolve. You can't fight ISIS with bullets.[/QUOTE] You say he has no idea what he is talking about yet you seem not to know the first thing about ISIS. Almost all of what you said is just flat out wrong.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49115324]Can you post a link to a news source? If I google it all I get is Paris shootings or a shooting at a mall in a Lebanon in somewhere in USA.[/QUOTE] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1493611]Here[/url]
[QUOTE=EqueL;49115303]I have a feeling they targeted Paris just because of Charlie.[/QUOTE] It also has one of the largest Muslim populations in Europe, so an attack like this would also be seen as something that would cause internal chaos as well and communal unrest, which is a part of their motives.
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115241]I know that, but what do they gain from this? They did this for a reason that could possibly help them, otherwise this is just pointless killing[/QUOTE] They want the isolation and ostracisation of Muslim communities in Europe in order to radicalise them and potentially gain new recruits in strategically advantageous places. So basically, the more people blame all Muslims for this, the more ISIS has to gain in the long run. This is what we've seen in the surprisingly large amount of people joining them from Europe. By committing acts like this they are trying to draw lines in the sand and divide people. They're trying to incite religious war because that's what their twisted ideology calls for. They're trying to unify Europe and the West against all of Islam in the hope that all of Islam will fight back.
I literally feel sick after seeing all this. I am completely lost for words, this is so terrible.
To any one who says you cannot kill an idea, you can. You just have to do it just right. More specific you would have to kill the "spirit" animating the group or movement. As for underlying causes? Part of them is the west messing around that area in the world and without concern or foresight.
[QUOTE=D3vils Buddy;49115196]Source?[/QUOTE] Don't know french but this seems right [url]http://www.metronews.fr/info/attentats-des-individus-armes-forcent-un-barrage-dans-les-yvelines/mokn!T7Sj3OkPGIAeM/[/url]
[QUOTE=JohanGS;49115388]Don't know french but this seems right [url]http://www.metronews.fr/info/attentats-des-individus-armes-forcent-un-barrage-dans-les-yvelines/mokn!T7Sj3OkPGIAeM/[/url][/QUOTE] apparently a helicopter went after the vehicle and the four armed suspects also. never mind, misread. one was a false alarm, simply fireworks from a marriage procession.
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115294]It still doesn't make any sense, why would they want to cause fear to the western world? so that they all attack ISIS? I don't know but ISIS can't really be that dumb[/QUOTE] I've remember reading in one of these threads a theory about how ISIS is actively trying to piss off all major countries in the world so they can go to war against them and have their apocalypse. In their fucked up minds it's the only righteous way they can go to heaven. I'm starting to think they're right, otherwise they wouldn't be so hellbent to kill as many 'crusaders' as they can knowing the shit they'll be bringing upon themselves and others near them by this.
[QUOTE=Tumama;49115421]I've remember reading in one of these threads a theory about how ISIS is actively trying to piss off all major countries in the world so they can go to war against them and have their apocalypse. In their fucked up minds it's the only righteous way they can go to heaven. I'm starting to think they're right, otherwise they wouldn't be so hellbent to kill as many 'crusaders' as they can knowing the shit they'll be bringing upon themselves and others near them by this.[/QUOTE] Yeah they want the end of the world to come. I'm not sure if you wanna fight any one who is actively trying to bring about the end of the world. edit: also [video=youtube;ILnLcwOLH34]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILnLcwOLH34[/video]
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115144]This doesn't make any sense, why would ISIS do this? I know they're evil fuckers but strategically they must gain something from this...[/QUOTE] It's a simple but effective tactic. They target public places and seek to cause as much outrage and horror as possible in an effort to incite further xenophobia/islamophobia, making the effects of the attack run much deeper than the initial casualties. By inciting a stronger "Us vs Them" mentality between the Western powers and Muslims, it feeds their propaganda machines and drives up their support and recruitment rates. Every time somebody blames [I]Muslims[/I] as a whole for attacks like this, as opposed to the specific extremist groups and philosophies that perpetrated the attack, they are indirectly feeding into the power base and influence of extremist groups like ISIS.
[QUOTE=shozamar;49115342]They want the isolation and ostracisation of Muslim communities in Europe in order to radicalise them and potentially gain new recruits in strategically advantageous places. So basically, the more people blame all Muslims for this, the more ISIS has to gain in the long run. This is what we've seen in the surprisingly large amount of people joining them from Europe. By committing acts like this they are trying to draw lines in the sand and divide people. They're trying to incite religious war because that's what their twisted ideology calls for. They're trying to unify Europe and the West against all of Islam in the hope that all of Islam will fight back.[/QUOTE] While that [i]sounds[/i] good, that logic is dangerous and can even make things worse. It's absolutely normal that people affected by this are going to be awary of muslims. Even if you defend them by using the small number of percentages that [i]are[/i] terrorists, fear is irrational and tensions are very high with what is happening and whole refugee situation. You need a better way of dealing with this tension instead of simply saying "they're a minority" or that "it could make current muslims radical". What I get from what you said, is that Muslims are so fragile that all that it stands from them being radical is full acceptance by the people of the country they are in - which is somewhat ridiculous and even unrealistic, there is always going to be tension between different groups of people. To make it clear, I don't believe they are that fragile, or else there this would actually be a pretty good reason to fear them, who the hell wants such finicking people with high chances of being problematic?
When the city goes dark, the world makes sure its still lit up. [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/VTOhFg.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=bunguer;49115440]While that [I]sounds[/I] good, that logic is dangerous and can even make things worse. It's absolutely normal that people affected by this are going to be awary of muslims. Even if you defend them by using the small number of percentages that [I]are[/I] terrorists, fear is irrational and tensions are very high with what is happening and whole refugee situation. You need a better way of dealing with this tension instead of simply saying "they're a minority" or that "it could make current muslims radical". What I get from what you said, is that Muslims are so fragile that all that it stands from them being radical is full acceptance by the people of the country they are in - which is somewhat ridiculous and even unrealistic, there is always going to be tension between different groups of people. To make it clear, I don't believe they are that fragile, or else there this would actually be a pretty good reason to fear them, who the hell wants such finicking people with high chances of being problematic?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying this is by any means a phenomena restricted to Muslims. It's the classic "call a man a thief enough times and for long enough and he'll become a thief". You can see examples of it in every other demographic. I'm also not saying that all ostracised people are going to be radicalised, it would be the vast, vast minority. But even one in a hundred thousand is enough for ISIS to profit from this attack.
[QUOTE=Zakuvo99;49115452]When the city goes dark, the world makes sure its still lit up. [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/VTOhFg.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cOeyPSb.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=bunguer;49115440]While that [i]sounds[/i] good, that logic is dangerous and can even make things worse. It's absolutely normal that people affected by this are going to be awary of muslims. Even if you defend them by using the small number of percentages that [i]are[/i] terrorists, fear is irrational and tensions are very high with what is happening and whole refugee situation. You need a better way of dealing with this tension instead of simply saying "they're a minority" or that "it could make current muslims radical".[/QUOTE] This is exactly what gives them their power, though. This is literally the entire point of committing terrorist attacks. [quote]What I get from what you said, is that Muslims are so fragile that all that it stands from them being radical is full acceptance by the people of the country they are in - which is somewhat ridiculous and even unrealistic, there is always going to be tension between different groups of people. To make it clear, I don't believe they are that fragile, or else there this would actually be a pretty good reason to fear them, who the hell wants such finicking people with high chances of being problematic?[/QUOTE] It is no quick or easy process to fight extremism. Yes, full acceptance and understanding that Muslims as a whole are no different than anybody else, over a multigenerational period, [I]would[/I] reduce the influence of extremist groups on Western soil to the point of being negligible. Obviously, however, the people who are currently suffering at the hands of extremism don't have thirty or forty years, which demands more immediate action. Unfortunately, I don't have any easy solutions. The only thing I can say with high level of confidence is that further ostracizing Muslim communities as a whole due to the fear of extremism is incredibly counterproductive. That [I]will[/I] feed into the power and influence of extremist groups, and cause an already serious threat to grow even larger.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;49115265]Those that are reaching Europe are the ones that are crossing by boat. They're resettling those people already in Europe before they start to look towards registered Syrian refugees. [/QUOTE] Fewer refugees have made it into Europe through boats than by land. [quote]So yes, 65% male.[/quote] So no.
[QUOTE=bunguer;49115440]While that [i]sounds[/i] good, that logic is dangerous and can even make things worse. It's absolutely normal that people affected by this are going to be awary of muslims. Even if you defend them by using the small number of percentages that [i]are[/i] terrorists, fear is irrational and tensions are very high with what is happening and whole refugee situation. You need a better way of dealing with this tension instead of simply saying "they're a minority" or that "it could make current muslims radical". What I get from what you said, is that Muslims are so fragile that all that it stands from them being radical is full acceptance by the people of the country they are in - which is somewhat ridiculous and even unrealistic, there is always going to be tension between different groups of people. To make it clear, I don't believe they are that fragile, or else there this would actually be a pretty good reason to fear them, who the hell wants such finicking people with high chances of being problematic?[/QUOTE] It doesn't take radicalism, a lot of their recruits get sucked into it not so much because they support their extremist ideology but more to take part in something they feel is righteous and just, to force out a regime from their homeland, or simply to support their family. It's like a gateway to radicalism, once in, they can manipulate them, stir up their emotions, and turn them into what they need them to be.
You know, the best way to follow this up if I were an evil shit, would be flood the web with false threats. This would shut things down even further.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49115506]You know, the best way to follow this up if I were an evil shit, would be flood the web with false threats. This would shut things down even further.[/QUOTE] And a good way to get arrested
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;49115484]Fewer refugees have made it into Europe through boats than by land. So no.[/QUOTE] You are right. It's 70%. [IMG]http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/b6/Share_of_male_%28non-EU%29_asylum_applicants_in_the_EU-28%2C_by_age_group_and_status_of_minors%2C_2014_%28%25%29_YB15_III.png[/IMG]
Damn I thought the Charlie Hebdo attacks were bad but this is almost 9/11-level shit, Jesus Christ.
[QUOTE=shozamar;49115470]I'm not saying this is by any means a phenomena restricted to Muslims. It's the classic "call a man a thief enough times and for long enough and he'll become a thief". You can see examples of it in every other demographic. I'm also not saying that all ostracised people are going to be radicalised, it would be the vast, vast minority. But even one in a hundred thousand is enough for ISIS to profit from this attack.[/QUOTE] But not only is that unrealistic but it also doesn't actually [i]solve[/i] anything, because the stability only comes from the non-muslim population. I think it's absurd that if another person is turned radical, the people that have the prejudice are to blame for his radicalization, surely you can't mean that? Because if you are, you might as well call all of them potential terrorists and then good luck controlling the prejudice of millions of people. It is annoying and uncomfortable to have the society in large to be awry of you because of your nationality or religious choices, but the blame is not on that society.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49115508]And a good way to get arrested[/QUOTE] Meant terrorists.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49115526]Meant terrorists.[/QUOTE] Ah, so a good way to get a drone strike
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