• Michigan Bans Bans of Plastic Bags
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[quote] A new law in Michigan will prohibit local governments from banning, regulating or imposing fees on the use of plastic bags and other containers. You read that correctly: It’s not a ban on plastic bags — it’s a ban on [I]banning[/I] plastic bags. Michigan Lt. Gov. Brian Calley [URL="http://www.michigan.gov/snyder/0,4668,7-277-57577_57657-400939--,00.html"]signed the new public act into law[/URL] on Wednesday, along with 11 other bills. Gov. Rick Snyder is currently on vacation out of state, [URL="http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/12/ban_on_local_plastic_bag_bans.html"]local news sources reported[/URL], and Calley has the authority to sign bills into law in his absence. The new public act [URL="http://legislature.mi.gov/(S(h5nfxn1fvpqi321jsg2shac4))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=2016-SB-0853"]prohibits local ordinances[/URL] from “regulating the use, disposition, or sale of, prohibiting or restricting, or imposing any fee, charge, or tax on certain containers,” including plastic bags, as well as cups, bottles and other forms of packaging. This means individual cities and municipalities are not allowed to ban plastic bags or charge customers a fee for using them. Bans and restrictions on the use of plastic bags are widespread in other parts of the country and around the world. The rationale is simple: Plastic bags are infamous non-biodegradable sources of pollution — although they will eventually break down into tiny pieces, scientists believe this process can take hundreds of years, or even up to a millennium, in landfills. [/quote] Source : [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/30/yes-this-is-real-michigan-just-banned-banning-plastic-bags/[/URL] Something something about someone else banning Michigan from banning local municipalities from banning plastic bags. Full corporatist BS
the title made me laugh at first but this actually is bullshit
[QUOTE=halflambada;51608625]the title made me laugh at first but this actually is bullshit[/QUOTE] I though OP fucked up the title but nope, I was wrong.
Because Michigan certainly doesn't have any other pressing concerns.
why are people allowed to write laws that ban the introduction of new laws/regulations? if I wanted to, can I permanently shut down a local government by making a law that says "no laws after this law can be added ;)"
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51608714]why are people allowed to write laws that ban the introduction of new laws/regulations? if I wanted to, can I permanently shut down a local government by making a law that says "no laws after this law can be added ;)"[/QUOTE] Well to be fair it has to deal with governments beneath the Michigan state government. They're upset at the idea of a city banning bags. It's impossible to place this restriction on yourself, at least not without being able to get rid of it legislatively and then enacting new laws. For these local governments the only thing they can do is legally challenge it if they think they have a case. Another example is how states can't technically legalize marijuana iirc, it goes against federal law. The federal government just doesn't do anything about it.
at least when we all die the next cilivization to grace earth can note our history of plastic bags
So, how long 'til there's a federal law banning banning of bans?
This is a good start to the year, can't wait for what else people got up their sleeves :downs: I wonder how much money changed hands to let this pass
This is regressive as fuck
[QUOTE=J!NX;51608798]This is regressive as fuck[/QUOTE] Welcome to conservative politics. It's only bad to be an invasive big government if you're doing it to benefit more than just the wallets of a few people. You've been upgraded to the "federal government" season pass and will be receiving the next 4-8 years of "law" dlc for free.
what the actual fuck what kind of logic... i can't even
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51608841]Welcome to conservative politics. It's only bad to be an invasive big government if you're doing it to benefit more than just the wallets of a few people. You've been upgraded to the "federal government" season pass and will be receiving the next 4-8 years of "law" dlc for free.[/QUOTE] Actually it's not free cus you're already paying a subscription fee. But they'll get a pass on this with conservative voters, because they're just protecting you from them goddamn liberuls
Imagine how nicer and cleaner the world would be if we just universally banned plastic bags and everyone had to buy 5 or 6 proper cotton bags to carry their garbage in. I honestly don't get how anyone could possibly support the plastic shit.
[QUOTE=Bertie;51609305]Imagine how nicer and cleaner the world would be if we just universally banned plastic bags and everyone had to buy 5 or 6 proper cotton bags to carry their garbage in. I honestly don't get how anyone could possibly support the plastic shit.[/QUOTE] Don't buy cotton. They are worse for the environment and don't last as long as nylon. You need to use them something like several hundred times to offset their impact vs nylon reusable bags needing only about 30 or so. It seems backwards, but cotton is one of the worst alternatives. Nylon is better anyhow. Lighter and much more compact.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51608841]Welcome to conservative politics. It's only bad to be an invasive big government if you're doing it to benefit more than just the wallets of a few people. You've been upgraded to the "federal government" season pass and will be receiving the next 4-8 years of "law" dlc for free.[/QUOTE] only if you have the gamer level of internet from TWC!
It would suck if they banned plastic bags where I live, I like to use them as trash bags that way I don't have to buy any.
I'm ok with this. We have more important matters to attend to in this world. What kind of bags shoppers use to take their groceries home in is almost irrelevant entirely compared to the impending persecution of a sizeable chunk of the population, the impending economic downfall, etc etc. We can worry about plastic bags after we've secured rights for our workers, for non-straight folk, when we've warded off the threat of global economic collapse and pushed the Great War of 2077 8 years closer to 2077. [QUOTE=Bertie;51609305]Imagine how nicer and cleaner the world would be if we just universally banned plastic bags and everyone had to buy 5 or 6 proper cotton bags to carry their garbage in. I honestly don't get how anyone could possibly support the plastic shit.[/QUOTE] Having tried the fabric reusable bags: They fucking suck and are a pain in the goddamn ass. I haven't touched mine in several years and I probably never will. I don't even know where they are. Better solution: Make the disposable bags out of something that does break down in a reasonable amount of time instead of trying to impose taxes or bans on them.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51609656]I'm ok with this. We have more important matters to attend to in this world. What kind of bags shoppers use to take their groceries home in is almost irrelevant entirely compared to the impending persecution of a sizeable chunk of the population, the impending economic downfall, etc etc. We can worry about plastic bags after we've secured rights for our workers, for non-straight folk, when we've warded off the threat of global economic collapse and pushed the Great War of 2077 8 years closer to 2077. Having tried the fabric reusable bags: They fucking suck and are a pain in the goddamn ass. I haven't touched mine in several years and I probably never will. I don't even know where they are. Better solution: Make the disposable bags out of something that does break down in a reasonable amount of time instead of trying to impose taxes or bans on them.[/QUOTE] How about survive to 2077 first? I know you're kidding, but looking at what we're doing to our planet (and plastic bags have a big impact!) I don't think we'll last that long anyway.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51609656]I'm ok with this. We have more important matters to attend to in this world. What kind of bags shoppers use to take their groceries home in is almost irrelevant entirely compared to the impending persecution of a sizeable chunk of the population, the impending economic downfall, etc etc. We can worry about plastic bags after we've secured rights for our workers, for non-straight folk, when we've warded off the threat of global economic collapse and pushed the Great War of 2077 8 years closer to 2077. Having tried the fabric reusable bags: They fucking suck and are a pain in the goddamn ass. I haven't touched mine in several years and I probably never will. I don't even know where they are. Better solution: Make the disposable bags out of something that does break down in a reasonable amount of time instead of trying to impose taxes or bans on them.[/QUOTE] What can I say? Get ones that aren't shit. My bags are fine. Also, I don't think any problem should be dismissed just because in the big worldwide grand scheme of things there are more important issues. I don't know how littered it is where you live, but where I live it's absolutely horrendous and I'll support anything to stop the idiots who throw all their shit around carelessly and make our planet ugly as well as hurt the wildlife.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51609656]Better solution: Make the disposable bags out of something that does break down in a reasonable amount of time instead of trying to impose taxes or bans on them.[/QUOTE] the taxes work though lol after they are introduced there is a significant reduction of plastic bag waste
I just get my plastic bags from China, you can get them for as little a 0.005p per bag if you buy in bulk, I use them for garbage as well as shopping because fuck paying 5p per bag. I know a bunch of other people who do the same thing so I doubt charging for bags had as much effect as they think it does.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;51609683]How about survive to 2077 first? I know you're kidding, but looking at what we're doing to our planet (and plastic bags have a big impact!) I don't think we'll last that long anyway.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bertie;51609697] Also, I don't think any problem should be dismissed just because in the big worldwide grand scheme of things there are more important issues.[/quote] And I proposed a solution that's better than just taxing the bags, if you both would just read my [i]entire[/i] post instead of responding to just the first couple of sentences. [quote] I don't know how littered it is where you live[/quote] It isn't littered at all, but that's because I don't live where retards and fuckwits throw garbage on the ground. Perhaps in your area the problem is not the item, but the people. Perhaps in your area more good would be done by stopping the littering than would be done by taxing plastic bags. Those people aren't going to change their ways because there's a few cents tacked onto the cost of a plastic shopping bag. I also find it hilarious that Tennessean rednecks are better about not littering than Frenchmen. You'd think it'd be the other way around. GG. [quote]My bags are fine. What can I say? Get ones that aren't shit.[/quote] The bags aren't shit. They're just a pain in the ass to use. Easy to forget, easy to overfill(Necessitating plastic bags anyway), they don't take kindly to rainy days, they don't take kindly to items 'sweating' in the humidity...the bags are well made, yes, that doesn't make them any more pleasant to use. I still hate them and I always will. There's no change to the design or construction that is going to make them more convenient and more pleasant to work with. [editline]1st January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51609746]the taxes work though lol after they are introduced there is a significant reduction of plastic bag waste[/QUOTE] Yes, and clearcutting a forest is an effective way to reduce the amount of bears walking onto people's back porches, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. There are better ways than applying bullshit taxes to things and forcing people to work with pain-in-the-ass canvas bags. Like, oh, idunno, [i]using biodegradable materials in the disposable bags that actually break down in a reasonable timeframe[/i].
[QUOTE=TestECull;51610183]There are better ways than applying bullshit taxes to things and forcing people to work with pain-in-the-ass canvas bags. Like, oh, idunno, [i]using biodegradable materials in the disposable bags that actually break down in a reasonable timeframe[/i].[/QUOTE] a reduction of like 90% isn't worth the pain of using a different bag? i use lifetime bags and i have to walk around everywhere with them, as do loads of other people. rather than doing nothing to decrease the amount of crap we use, why not reduce unnecessary wastage? it works and it has a major positive effect for essentially a trivial drawback
[QUOTE=TestECull;51610183]The bags aren't shit. They're just a pain in the ass to use. Easy to forget, easy to overfill(Necessitating plastic bags anyway), they don't take kindly to rainy days, they don't take kindly to items 'sweating' in the humidity...the bags are well made, yes, that doesn't make them any more pleasant to use. I still hate them and I always will. There's no change to the design or construction that is going to make them more convenient and more pleasant to work with. [/QUOTE] Lol don't bullshit yourself. I'm a cashier and working with cloth bags is almost no different than working with plastic (sometimes better!). Instead of having thin plastic bags that would tear at the slightest edge that poked them, cloth doesn't do that. Get yourself one of Walmart's nice huge cloth bags and use that for your grocery trips. Going to a department store (Target)? Don't use a bag. Just put it in your car. Get over it. Most of the time if your bag doesn't look dirty as hell the cashier will bag for you too. I absolutely abhor people who hand me dirty/grimy plastic/cloth bags. Seriously like, [I]nobody[/I] buys plastic bags anymore unless they have a lot of small shit. They'll gladly take it out in their cart and to their car. And good on them.
I like my cloth bags. This is one of those thing I would think wouldn't generate controversy, banning the ban of plastic bags is ridiculous. Who does this help?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51610774]I like my cloth bags. This is one of those thing I would think wouldn't generate controversy, banning the ban of plastic bags is ridiculous. Who does this help?[/QUOTE] some company's bottom line and some politicians wallet, mostly
This is the political equivalent to using black magic when calls no rubber stamping on a no punchback for a punchbuggy. Also plastic bags are great. Most of the shitty incentives for companies to opt away for paper bags have not changed much besides I now pay five cents for a fucking bag.
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;51609528]It would suck if they banned plastic bags where I live, I like to use them as trash bags that way I don't have to buy any.[/QUOTE] It's already in effect here in cali. Very annoying because I use them for other uses like storage, trash cans, and compost baggies for veggie scraps. I don't have the money to buy durable reusable bags that won't break under weight either and so now I have to do about 90 million trips to and from my car and up stairs when I buy stuff in bulk, which is the only time I buy groceries. The law sucks for really poor people (10 cents a bag adds up! A few bucks could be a dinner for me and I'm on a tight budget!) and it makes no sense to[I] only ban them at grocery stores and not every store[/I]. You still get plastic bags at retail shops so what the fuck? At least have shops GIVE FREE REUSABLES instead of charging for them. IMO it's an ineffective and annoying as fuck law. Just increase recycling incentives and recycling jobs and locations. People are still gunna throw shit all over anyway, I mean look around you in the street gutters,[I] do you honestly think this law is gunna change anything?[/I] It's just more needless bans on random stuff, that people will not follow anyway. Just my 2 cents.
I don't get it, just buy a good bag and bring it with you when you go shopping? How lazy can you be? Plastic bags are utter crap anyway, shit's weaker than wet toilet paper, breaks apart as soon as you start to actually load stuff. I walk 15 minutes everytime I go buy groceries and I can't tell how annoying it would be to have those shitty bags break apart on the way home. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GamerChick;51610820](10 cents a bag adds up! A few bucks could be a dinner for me and I'm on a tight budget!)[/QUOTE] What? It's not supposed to add up, once you bought them you can reuse them afterwards.
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