• UK government sets out new driverless car legislation
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[url]http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/90376/queens-speech-sets-out-new-uk-driverless-car-legislation[/url] [quote]New laws will allow fully autonomous vehicles to be insured under normal policies in the UK The UK Government has pledged to be at the forefront of technology for transport as part of the 2016 Queen's Speech. Autonomous and electric cars will be the focus of new legislation that seeks to get ordinary people buying and using driverless cars by 2020. Driverless cars will be tested on UK roads as early as next year, but the new legislation would mean that by 2020 they can be insured under regular car insurance policies, allowing them to be driven outside of carefully controlled test conditions and even by regular people. According to Chancellor George Osborne, the Government sees huge potential in driverless cars, which is why it is keen to begin testing the cars as early as possible. Tests on autonomous cars will look to begin in 2017, first starting on small local roads, and gradually extending to the motorway network.[/quote]
Nice to see the UK actually pushing this through already. Although it's a bit backwards. From my understanding of self driving technology it's much easier to automate motorway driving (as Tesla have pretty much already done with a basic set of hardware) than it is to automate driving on local roads.
Very nice. Maybe at this rate I will own a self driving car sooner rather than later.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50343746]Nice to see the UK actually pushing this through already. Although it's a bit backwards. From my understanding of self driving technology it's much easier to automate motorway driving (as Tesla have pretty much already done with a basic set of hardware) than it is to automate driving on local roads.[/QUOTE] Yes, however if something goes wrong, accidents on motorways scale up A LOT FASTER compared to a small collision between 3 or 4 people max, a motorway scale accident could involve 10's of cars, some times over 100. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-vehicle_collision[/url] [img]http://puu.sh/oWj2J/789e1dc783.png[/img]
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50343885]Yes, however if something goes wrong, accidents on motorways scale up A LOT FASTER compared to a small collision between 3 or 4 people max, a motorway scale accident could involve 10's of cars, some times over 100. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-vehicle_collision[/url] [/QUOTE] This is why we have people sitting in the cars to stop them from doing anything stupid for now.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50343909]This is why we have people sitting in the cars to stop them from doing anything stupid for now.[/QUOTE] Never underestimate the creativity of stupid people. [t]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71thWXsy9wL._SL1500_.jpg[/t]
Dunno if I could trust a self driving car, I can't imagine them being very good at responding to retarded drivers. Are the current ones quick at letting you switch from auto to manual?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50344057]Dunno if I could trust a self driving car, I can't imagine them being very good at responding to retarded drivers. Are the current ones quick at letting you switch from auto to manual?[/QUOTE] A computer can reacted thousands of times faster than you. It will react to a stupid driver better than you do*. * As long as it is trained to do so.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;50344087]A computer can reacted thousands of times faster than you. It will react to a stupid driver better than you do*. * As long as it is trained to do so.[/QUOTE] Well this is the thing, as long as it's trained to do so, which is the harder part.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50344057]Dunno if I could trust a self driving car, I can't imagine them being very good at responding to retarded drivers. Are the current ones quick at letting you switch from auto to manual?[/QUOTE] Tesla's autopilot immediately disengages if you touch the steering wheel or brake. I assume all other systems would be the same. You can see even semi-autonomous systems like Autopilot allow a lot of people to automate a ton of their commute: [video=youtube;sgQr8N1EPiQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgQr8N1EPiQ[/video] If someone swerves towards you it will try and swerve out of the way as well. Has automatic emergency braking and such as well. It's quite good considering it only has one camera on the front to work with, one radar at the front and some short range sonar sensors around the sides.
I'm surprised that we're actually legislating for this, seeing as parliament usually only reacts to problems during and when they happen. I'll probably read the laws they set out for it, as I aim to purchase a driverless car ASAP.
M6 is going to die when driverless cars get on the motorway.
Here's the thing. When it comes to deciding, for the purposes of making an insurance claim, who (the person monitoring the car, or the car manufacturer) is at fault when a driverless vehicle loses control, the only way for the insurance companies to know will be to have a certified, VOSA mandated "black box" inside the car logging your (and the car's) EVERY move. You know... for insurance purposes... They will need that to handle the legalities of it. At the same time, there will be even more information available to the authorities on who went were than what they already have using triangulation, GPS, Wi-Fi, forecourt license plate recognition and ANPR. They will have a big map of people moving around the UK, (available to the highest bidder via internal corruption of course) that will be used by ruthless individuals to identify and eliminate targets that appear to be a threat to their businesses.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50344130]Tesla's autopilot immediately disengages if you touch the steering wheel or brake. I assume all other systems would be the same. You can see even semi-autonomous systems like Autopilot allow a lot of people to automate a ton of their commute: [video=youtube;sgQr8N1EPiQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgQr8N1EPiQ[/video] If someone swerves towards you it will try and swerve out of the way as well. Has automatic emergency braking and such as well. It's quite good considering it only has one camera on the front to work with, one radar at the front and some short range sonar sensors around the sides.[/QUOTE] and cyclists?
[QUOTE=AK'z;50346706]and cyclists?[/QUOTE] Who cares?
[QUOTE=AK'z;50346706]and cyclists?[/QUOTE] Right now it will see them but not really treat them any differently than cars. [video=youtube;fgZOtr0vLKM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgZOtr0vLKM[/video] You should be extremely careful with it around cyclists as it doesn't have side cameras. It would of just waited behind them if he didn't pull over to the side.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;50345939]Here's the thing. When it comes to deciding, for the purposes of making an insurance claim, who (the person monitoring the car, or the car manufacturer) is at fault when a driverless vehicle loses control, the only way for the insurance companies to know will be to have a certified, VOSA mandated "black box" inside the car logging your (and the car's) EVERY move. You know... for insurance purposes... They will need that to handle the legalities of it. At the same time, there will be even more information available to the authorities on who went were than what they already have using triangulation, GPS, Wi-Fi, forecourt license plate recognition and ANPR. They will have a big map of people moving around the UK, (available to the highest bidder via internal corruption of course) that will be used by ruthless individuals to identify and eliminate targets that appear to be a threat to their businesses.[/QUOTE] And don't forget, it will be super easy to find speeders :~)
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50344112]Well this is the thing, as long as it's trained to do so, which is the harder part.[/QUOTE] That's why Google is doing a ton of R&D on them. That way they can test for and find any weaknesses. They are actually much better drivers than you would believe in unpredictable situations as is. Enough to say they are better than the majority of human actual drivers. However, it will be massively important to stress the importance of data recording for if and when accidents do happen. That way it can be accurately determined if the computer/driver is at fault and why and how to correct it.
I'll never understand the hate that driverless cars get when they give us so much more freedom. Maybe it has something to do with them feeling insecure and wanting control.
[QUOTE=pkhzor;50347500]I'll never understand the hate that driverless cars get when they give us so much more freedom. Maybe it has something to do with them feeling insecure and wanting control.[/QUOTE] Sort of, yeah. I enjoy the feeling of manually controlling a car, and it's something I wouldn't want to lose. I like the idea of automated driving on motorways however.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;50345939]Here's the thing. When it comes to deciding, for the purposes of making an insurance claim, who (the person monitoring the car, or the car manufacturer) is at fault when a driverless vehicle loses control, the only way for the insurance companies to know will be to have a certified, VOSA mandated "black box" inside the car logging your (and the car's) EVERY move. You know... for insurance purposes... They will need that to handle the legalities of it. At the same time, there will be even more information available to the authorities on who went were than what they already have using triangulation, GPS, Wi-Fi, forecourt license plate recognition and ANPR. They will have a big map of people moving around the UK, (available to the highest bidder via internal corruption of course) that will be used by ruthless individuals to identify and eliminate targets that appear to be a threat to their businesses.[/QUOTE] My guess is that for insurance claims the ultimate responsibility for an accident will fall on the operator of the vehicle since you are in positive control of the vehicle (despite engaging the autopilot system.)
I hope we get some decent EV incentives in the UK, but I have a feeling that the conservatives will implement something extremely lack luster. Probably just going to go the route of implementing more chargers.
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