• Veteran thrown out of restaurant because of service dog.
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[quote]PATERSON, N.J. (WABC) -- A disabled veteran was thrown out of a fast food restaurant because of his service dog. The incident itself is troubling enough, but you won't believe what happened after the Eyewitness News investigators arrived at the restaurant to demand answers. It's one of the most bizarre exchanges Eyewitness News has ever had on a story. Federal law is very clear: Dogs are recognized as service animals and all businesses open to the public, including restaurants, must allow them in. But a U.S. Army veteran says a Subway restaurant in Paterson, New Jersey, blatantly ignored the law, and now, he's determined to send them a message in court.[/quote] Source: [URL]http://7online.com/pets/veteran-service-dog-thrown-out-of-subway-restaurant-/299404/[/URL] Exchange is in the source, what an asshole.
Too bad for the resturant. They just got sued out of business.
[QUOTE=pentium;45973337]Too bad for the resturant. They just got sued out of business.[/QUOTE] It's Subway so they wont go out of business, but there's a good chance someone is getting fired, or at least should be.
[QUOTE=LittleDogX;45973609]It's Subway so they wont go out of business, but there's a good chance someone is getting fired.[/QUOTE] Don't big fast food companies lease out their businesses to people who act as their owners/managers? I know that KFC does, at least. If Subway is the same, they'll either replace Ahmed or shut down the restaurant.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;45973636]Don't big fast food companies loan out their businesses to people who act as their owners/managers? I know that KFC does, at least. If Subway is the same, they'll either replace the owner or shut down the restaurant.[/QUOTE] Subway is indeed franchised. Corporate is going to come down so hard on this guy, he'll wonder why he ever got into the restaurant business at all.
[QUOTE=pentium;45973337]Too bad for the resturant. They just got sued out of business.[/QUOTE] It's completely fine to do, who cares about 'veteran status'; they have the right to refuse service to anyone . However doing this is business suicide in terms of people going to it.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973662]It's completely fine to do, who cares about 'veteran status'; they have the right to refuse service to anyone . However doing this is business suicide in terms of people going to it.[/QUOTE] He was kicked out due to the service dog (which, as the OP says, can't be done by law) [QUOTE] "I may have been holding the door when he first said something. He said, 'The dog is not allowed in here. Get the dog out of here,'" Hunter said. "He was clearly identified as a service animal," Eyewitness News Investigative Reporter Sarah Wallace said. "He was wearing what he has on right now," Hunter said. "I said he was a service animal." "He didn't care," Wallace said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973662]It's completely fine to do, who cares about 'veteran status'; they have the right to refuse service to anyone . However doing this is business suicide in terms of people going to it.[/QUOTE] He was refused service for a service animal, which is illegal.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973662]It's completely fine to do, who cares about 'veteran status'; they have the right to refuse service to anyone . However doing this is business suicide in terms of people going to it.[/QUOTE] Or maybe people care because kicking out a service animal is illegal.
Way to make Patterson shittier than it already was.
[QUOTE=LittleDogX;45973609]It's Subway so they wont go out of business, but there's a good chance someone is getting fired, or at least should be.[/QUOTE] Subway is a franchise. Which means that it's more than likely that it's an independant owner.
I would have thought this would happen in a sit-down restaurant. But a fast food restaurant? I mean fuck I see smaller dogs in those all the time, let alone a [i]service animal[/i].
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;45973636]Don't big fast food companies lease out their businesses to people who act as their owners/managers? I know that KFC does, at least. If Subway is the same, they'll either replace Ahmed or shut down the restaurant.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wraithcat;45973697]Subway is a franchise. Which means that it's more than likely that it's an independant owner.[/QUOTE] Well then, I learned something new today.
[QUOTE=deadoon;45973683]He was refused service for a service animal, which is illegal.[/QUOTE] That's kinda stupid it is illegal, what if someone is allergic to dogs.
People are saying that it may have had something to do with the owners being Indian, and therefore applying Hindi beliefs that dogs are dirty creatures that shouldn't be allowed near food. Now, do I think that's what happened? Nah, but who knows?
[QUOTE=LittleDogX;45973716]Well then, I learned something new today.[/QUOTE] Franchising basically means someone buys the right to use a brand and business model in their own business. The most real control Subway has over any individual store is the ability to take their franchise rights away. You may notice this happen to some places, or they may just stop paying the franchise fee, and rebrand themselves into something original. E.g. a chicken joint near me stopped franchising "Juan Pollo" and became an original brand named "Tasty Chicken". They're more or less the exact same restaurant, just with a different name.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973801]That's kinda stupid it is illegal, what if someone is allergic to dogs.[/QUOTE] There are all sorts of service animals not just dogs. Horses and apparently monkeys are also service animals. It is similar how you cannot deny service to someone for a disability, religious or racial reasons. A service animal is akin to a cane, a wheelchair or some other sort of medical device, denying someone for medical reasons is discriminatory.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973801]That's kinda stupid it is illegal, what if someone is allergic to dogs.[/QUOTE] No, it isn't kind of stupid that it's illegal. People who have service dogs [i][b]need them[/i][/b]. Meaning they can't really do much without them. Meaning if you deny them service, they're not getting it at all. That may not seem like such a big deal with a fast food place, but what about a grocery store? If that service dog isn't allowed in, the person is just plain fucked and would have to rely on someone else to get groceries for them. What about a doctor's office, what about a general store, etc etc. If someone is really [i]that[/i] allergic to dogs (which is fairly uncommon), they can just wait or come back another time. It may suck a bit, but service dogs aren't really a daily occurence and the allergic person [i]can[/i] do their business at their leisure.
Does anyone got a re-host of the videos in the article? Their fucking shitty video player doesn't want to work.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973801]That's kinda stupid it is illegal, what if someone is allergic to dogs.[/QUOTE] Quit being a complete imbecile. Read this and write it on a chalk board 150 times. [quote]Federal law is very clear: Dogs are recognized as service animals and all businesses open to the public, including restaurants, must allow them in.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;45973842]No, it isn't kind of stupid that it's illegal. People who have service dogs [i][b]need them[/i][/b]. Meaning they can't really do much without them. Meaning if you deny them service, they're not getting it at all. That may not seem like such a big deal with a fast food place, but what about a grocery store? If that service dog isn't allowed in, the person is just plain fucked and would have to rely on someone else to get groceries for them. What about a doctor's office, what about a general store, etc etc. If someone is really [i]that[/i] allergic to dogs (which is fairly uncommon), they can just wait or come back another time. It may suck a bit, but service dogs aren't really a daily occurence and the allergic person [i]can[/i] do their business at their leisure.[/QUOTE] Well he is a Vet so he kinda took that risk voluntarily and accepted that he works for the state and people, before going into the military. I didn't read he was drafted anywhere.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973908]Well he is a Vet so he kinda took that risk voluntarily and accepted that he works for the state and people, before going into the military. I didn't read he was drafted anywhere.[/QUOTE] "haha he volunteered to get PTSD" "haha he doesnt deserve to eat at subway either because he knew the risk"
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973908]Well he is a Vet so he kinda took that risk voluntarily and accepted that he works for the state and people, before going into the military. I didn't read he was drafted anywhere.[/QUOTE] How does it feel to have an objectively lower mental capacity than the rest of the human race?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45973908]Well he is a Vet so he kinda took that risk voluntarily and accepted that he works for the state and people, before going into the military. I didn't read he was drafted anywhere.[/QUOTE] Well the store is a restaurant in the US so they kinda accepted US laws regarding stores, which include allowing service dogs. your turn [QUOTE=deadoon;45973824]There are all sorts of service animals not just dogs. Horses and apparently monkeys are also service animals. It is similar how you cannot deny service to someone for a disability, religious or racial reasons. A service animal is akin to a cane, a wheelchair or some other sort of medical device, denying someone for medical reasons is discriminatory.[/QUOTE] ...Horses and monkeys? I'm imagining some guy riding a horse into a Subway and saying "nah man, it's alright, he's my seeing eye horse" while the horse reaches over the counter and eats all of the food. now I want to watch a show about a blind cowboy with a seeing eye horse and a little monkey to help him too
I hope that manager gets sacked. Very unprofessional behaviour.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45973937]"haha he volunteered to get PTSD" "haha he doesnt deserve to eat at subway either because he knew the risk"[/QUOTE] No one forced him into the army, getting PSTD is a risk you take when going into the armed forces. [QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;45973958]How does it feel to have an objectively lower mental capacity than the rest of the human race?[/QUOTE] I make a lot of money and manage a lot of people so not bad.... Then again I never ask my subordinates to go into the army and do stupid shit.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45974015]No one forced him into the army, getting PSTD is a risk you take when going into the armed forces.[/QUOTE] So this makes it alright to kick him out of a restaurant because he had volunteered to serve his country, got wounded and PTSD as a result of that, and now needs a service dog to comfort him in everyday activities?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45974015]No one forced him into the army, getting PSTD is a risk you take when going into the armed forces. I make a lot of money and manage a lot of people so not bad.... Then again I never ask my subordinates to go into the army and do stupid shit.[/QUOTE] I too do not like the fact that businesses are required to accommodate people with medical conditions. Fuck those guys, right?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45974015]No one forced him into the army, getting PSTD is a risk you take when going into the armed forces.[/QUOTE] Okay its a risk, and he got PTSD. Does that mean it's his own fault he got PTSD? No it fucking isnt, nobody ASKS to get PTSD.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;45974037]So this makes it alright to kick him out of a restaurant because he had volunteered to serve his country, got wounded and PTSD as a result of that, and now needs a service dog to comfort him in everyday activities?[/QUOTE] He partook in a voluntary action, he wasn't born with a disability, nor forced into a situation which would result in something like this. If he wants to be a countries servant than that is fine, then he should have no problem taking orders from a subway on the count that a fellow country men, who has legal rights to make decisions and uphold their own principals; and which soldiers need to follow the people's will and actions. I don't think it is "more important" a soldier or anyone has more important say in what people chose. [QUOTE=LZTYBRN;45974064]Okay its a risk, and he got PTSD. Does that mean it's his own fault he got PTSD? No it fucking isnt, nobody ASKS to get PTSD.[/QUOTE] No one asked him to sign up(aside from some recruiter looking for a paycheck). [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
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