• Over two-thirds of Britons do not trust the government with the NHS
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;34805099]Did labour get the rest of the world into a recession too?[/QUOTE] No, but they managed to allow it to hit us badly.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34805449]No, but they managed to allow it to hit us badly.[/QUOTE] Or bailed out the banks (RBS, Barclays and Lloyds) and prevented the entire UK economy from going bust. Where do you think the majority of our deficit came from? A large proportion of it is due to bailing the banks out. (New Labour over-spent in its years of office but blaming the deficit solely on Labour is not grasping the bigger picture).
[QUOTE=Haywood;34804892][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gCuc0.jpg[/IMG] What about fog machine?[/QUOTE] His jimmies could've been just rustled.
It's been hard enough trusting the government for the past decade, but I've noticed very little change in my lifestyle despite all the reforms and the "recession".
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;34806514]It's been hard enough trusting the government for the past decade, but I've noticed very little change in my lifestyle despite all the reforms and the "recession".[/QUOTE] Umm, Freddo's are now 20p. :v: That's how bad it is.
I hope this is the end of the Liberal Democrats as we know them. They don't deserve any trust.
[QUOTE=Haywood;34804892][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gCuc0.jpg[/IMG] What about fog machine?[/QUOTE] Technically not smoke, its a vapour.
[QUOTE=NorthernFall;34803632]Nick Clegg managed to ruin his partys reputation for decades in one fell swoop. Of course no one trusts the Lib Dems.[/QUOTE] That reminds me of that joke that "it's easy to come out as gay than to come out as a Lib-Dem party member."
As someone who works in the NHS, i can tell you without these plans are only one way the government is trying to destroy the NHS, internal problems such as mismanagement and funding cuts leading to terrible service/lack of function / lack of staff etc which lead to changes all originating from the government are causing the NHS to collapse on itself without these changes, essentially you could say it's an under the table move the government are doing to get what they want without taking the blame or letting the public know. So any remote sympathy or support for the government is completely devoid from me, as far as i care about the damage they do if they tried to explain themselves to me i'd punch them in the face and spit on they're graves.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34804557]Funny how quick people are to trust Labour again after they got us into the recession. Lib Dems are still the best option between the major parties, and still have my vote.[/QUOTE] It's not so much that they got us into reccession rather that they kept the market afloat artificially. There always needs to be a bust when a boom occurs.
[QUOTE=Haywood;34804892][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gCuc0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Is this from something?
I wish the NHS system was as seriously taken now as it was in the late 1940s. Despite having exited a costly and devastating war, and massively in financial trouble, Britain managed to implement the NHS. Surely we shouldn't consider getting rid of it when the Economy is actually improving?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34803906]It's still better than American Healthcare.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly believe waiting in line for years while you die slowly of a "non-emergency" condition is better than being treated swiftly, regardless of expense? A free steaming turd dropping in your lap is still a steaming turd. The system itself is fine. The government meddling, the insurance companies, and Big Pharma are the ones keeping our health care down.
[QUOTE=lavacano;34811007]Is this from something?[/QUOTE] It's Bollo from The Mighty Boosh.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;34811145]Do you honestly believe waiting in line for years while you die slowly of a "non-emergency" condition is better than being treated swiftly, regardless of expense? A free steaming turd dropping in your lap is still a steaming turd. The system itself is fine. The government meddling, the insurance companies, and Big Pharma are the ones keeping our health care down.[/QUOTE] You do realise we have private healthcare alongside the NHS right?
My mum gets paid less for being an A&E nurse which basically includes fixing really fucked up people than the receptionists who apparently sit on facebook games all day and answer a call every hour or so [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] no wonder the NHS is a massive drain of money and is pretty shit as well
[QUOTE=Gareth;34815323]My mum gets paid less for being an A&E nurse which basically includes fixing really fucked up people than the receptionists who apparently sit on facebook games all day and answer a call every hour or so [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] no wonder the NHS is a massive drain of money and is pretty shit as well[/QUOTE] You get lazy receptionists, lazy doctors, lazy nurses, lazy secretaries, lazy lab technicians, lazy people basically. I hear plenty of stories about incompetent or lazy doctors getting people killed because they do not do enough work or they do it wrong. Of course you also get good hard working people too. Problem is the lazy and incompetent people are not always weeded out which seems to be quite a big problem in the NHS (although it is a big problem in every company). This will not change while the NHS keeps getting its funding cut - good management costs money.
Also, there just aren't enough people qualified to replace some of the ineffective staff. You hear about them bringing in migrant nurses, (the Express loves those stories) but the reason that they have to do that is because the current system requires a degree for fucking everything - you've got to take time to go to college to do a dedicated nursing degree, which many people cannot, as they don't have the time or money. For example, I know a few people who used to work at nursing homes and would make amazing nurses if it was possible for a short course, but to actually do nursing, you have to go to college for a few years, and they can't afford that. If they went to the older system when it was a course that took a few weeks, if you had prior experience in a care environment, they'd have no surplus of good, efficient workers for nurses and the like, and would be able to kick out the incompetent members.
[QUOTE=Hivemind;34805098]The government position on healthcare drives me mad. The amount the UK spends on healthcare per person is low when compared to many other countries with good health services, yet the government keeps complaining that the NHS is spending too much. What? The government say that privatising parts of the NHS will make it cheaper. How is this sensible? Competition might drive down prices but at the end of the day private firms are there to make a profit so it is impossible for them to offer as low a price as the private sector. Here is how some of the existing NHS privatisation schemes go: thing is privatised, private firm quotes very low price for services. A year or two later they then raise the price massively and the NHS is forced to pay the new massively inflated price (since they got rid of their internal service years ago). Many services in the NHS are understaffed and over-tasked, with large amounts of unpaid overtime propping up some services. Healthcare is expensive and it doesn't get any cheaper in a recession, yet NHS budgets are still cut, while MPs get pay rises.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_British_Rail]Isn't it nice when the Conservative party privatises a nationalised service?[/url] [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/06/uk-railway-judged-worse]It always turns out well.[/url]
[QUOTE=Jenkem;34811145]Do you honestly believe waiting in line for years while you die slowly of a "non-emergency" condition is better than being treated swiftly, regardless of expense? A free steaming turd dropping in your lap is still a steaming turd. The system itself is fine. The government meddling, the insurance companies, and Big Pharma are the ones keeping our health care down.[/QUOTE] Then go private, lots of people go private for an ongoing illness or where they need to stay overnight, health insurance is included in most jobs. The longest I had to wait was 2 months for an appointment, I thought they'd lost my records or something
I'm far too cynical towards politicians to trust any of them with anything.
Jesus Christ leave the NHS the fuck alone, just push the budget up a bit and the leave it.
I think it was Steve Coogan who said that trusting the Tories with the NHS was almost as bad as trusting Harold Shipman with it.
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