• Julian Assange is probably going to be granted asylum in Ecuador; he's in their embassy right now
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18514726[/url] [quote=BBC News][B]Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is seeking political asylum in Ecuador and is in its London embassy, the country's foreign minister has said.[/B] "Ecuador is studying and analysing the request," Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino told reporters in Quito. On 30 May, Britain's Supreme Court dismissed Mr Assange's bid appeal against extradition to Sweden over alleged sex crimes. It has given him until 28 June before extradition proceedings can start. Swedish prosecutors want to question Mr Assange over allegations of rape and sexual assault made by two female former Wikileaks volunteers in mid-2010 but have not filed any charges. Mr Assange, whose WikiLeaks website has published a mass of leaked diplomatic cables that embarrassed several governments and international businesses, claims the sex was consensual and that the allegations against him were politically motivated. The anti-secrecy campaigner could still take his case to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg and has until 28 June to make the move.[/quote] Ecuador [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11874911]offered him asylum in 2010[/url]
I don't think fucking off to Ecuador is going to help his legal case any.
Didn't he leak some big shit about Ecuador? If I was the President I would go "lolno"
[QUOTE=Rents;36400644]I don't think fucking off to Ecuador is going to help his legal case any.[/QUOTE] He's clearly given up on winning the case and decided to just go and live in Ecuador, a last resort I'd guess
Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?
[QUOTE=Rents;36400644]I don't think fucking off to Ecuador is going to help his legal case any.[/QUOTE] The case is pretty much the US wanting him extradited over a nonexistant issue instead of one they know they can't get him on. There is no way he CAN win.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400689]Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?[/QUOTE] He fears that the whole case is just a farce to get him extradited to the US.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400689]Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?[/QUOTE] Because USA.
[QUOTE=FPtje;36400708]He fears that the whole case is just a farce to get him extradited to the US.[/QUOTE] He's doing this to avoid being sent to Sweden, now I don't have a map on me right now, but I'm fairly certain Sweden isn't a US state.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400689]Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?[/QUOTE] He gotta prove it in Sweden (since the crime was allegedly committed there), and from what I understand, my country will be happy to hand him over to the US. Please correct me if I missed anything.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;36400738]He gotta prove it in Sweden (since the crime was allegedly committed there), and from what I understand, my country will be happy to hand him over to the US. Please correct me if I missed anything.[/QUOTE] Sort of: the same thing applies to the charges he'd face in the US.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400689]Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter if he's innocent or guilty. The US wants him to sit behind bars for the rest of his life. He isn't stupid. He knows this.
[QUOTE=FPtje;36400708]He fears that the whole case is just a farce to get him extradited to the US.[/QUOTE]But if he doesn't want to get extradited to the US, why is he going to a country that has an extradition treaty with the US? And if this supposed extradition thing was true, why didn't the US utilize their one sided extradition treaty with the UK?
What is he really guilty of? Pointing out the obvious? Seems this whole case is a huge load of BS brought on by the patriot act. Good for him getting out of the USA, no way he will win the case in the current system unfortunately.
I don't understand 1. How the US would justify extraditing him again (esp since everyone has been saying they're going to drum up some fake shit for months so it will be obvious if they do) 2. Why they would go through Sweden, considering the UK is meant to be their butt buddy and would surely be happier to extradite him than Sweden
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;36400823]What is he really guilty of? Pointing out the obvious? Seems this whole case is a huge load of BS brought on by the patriot act.[/QUOTE] There's two separate cases, the US' espionage or whatever it was case, and he's also wanted in Sweden on sexual assault charges. But technically he's not guilty of either until proven so in a court of law.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400876]There's two separate cases, the US' espionage or whatever it was case, and he's also wanted in Sweden on sexual assault charges. But technically he's not guilty of either until proven so in a court of law.[/QUOTE] Then try him on sexual assault in Sweden. No need for the states to stick their dicks into the issue.
[QUOTE=smurfy;36400875]I don't understand 1. How the US would justify extraditing him again (esp since everyone has been saying they're going to drum up some fake shit for months so it will be obvious if they do) 2. Why they would go through Sweden, considering the UK is meant to be their butt buddy and would surely be happier to extradite him than Sweden[/QUOTE] The UK would go along with it, to extradite someone from the UK to the US, the US Government needs to have less evidence then what is required to arrest someone in the US. I can't believe there's anywhere easier to extradite him from.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;36400902]Then try him on sexual assault in Sweden. No need for the states to stick their dicks into the issue.[/QUOTE] This is what they're trying to do, and what he's trying to hide from in Ecuador.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400689]Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?[/QUOTE] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc"]Well.[/url] (Police officer around 27min)
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400689]Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?[/QUOTE] Really? That's your point of view? "Guilty until proven innocent"?
[QUOTE=commander204;36401136]Really? That's your point of view? "Guilty until proven innocent"?[/QUOTE] No, I'm just saying, his avid insistence on refusing to just have the trial and let it be proven he didn't commit these crimes makes him look more than a little guilty.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;36400823]What is he really guilty of? Pointing out the obvious? Seems this whole case is a huge load of BS brought on by the patriot act. Good for him getting out of the USA, no way he will win the case in the current system unfortunately.[/QUOTE] Because government corruption
you go girl! [QUOTE=asteroidrules;36400689]Just something I'd like to point out: If he's innocent then why is he so afraid of proving it?[/QUOTE] Lol pretty sure the phrase goes innocent until proven guilty by a jury of peers not the other way around.
-snip- Left wingism too strong
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36401177]No, I'm just saying, his avid insistence on refusing to just have the trial and let it be proven he didn't commit these crimes makes him look more than a little guilty.[/QUOTE] Running does help create evidence that may be used against him in court, yes. But obviously he's had a lot of time to think about it, he's weighed the odds and come to the conclusion that his safest bet from extradition is seeking refuge, guilty or not. And I trust his decision. It might have been the right or wrong call, we won't know. We only know he's likely the guy who's thought about it the most.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;36401270]He's refusing to do the trial because he knows that he will be proven guilty, even if he did nothing, by the patriot act.[/QUOTE] It's like nobody even reads anymore. [quote=The BBC]Swedish prosecutors want to question Mr Assange over allegations of rape and sexual assault made by two female former Wikileaks volunteers in mid-2010[/quote] [editline]19th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36401259]you go girl! Lol pretty sure the phrase goes innocent until proven guilty by a jury of peers not the other way around.[/QUOTE] That's not what I meant, what I mean is the man seems to be doing everything to make himself look guilty.
[QUOTE]Swedish prosecutors want to question Mr Assange over allegations of rape and sexual assault made by two female former Wikileaks volunteers in mid-2010[/QUOTE] I am by no standards a conspiracy theorist, but the US goes to extreme lengths to protect their state secrets, so perhaps it's set up. Perhaps the women were payed or threatened by the US govnt.? Or maybe they were actually sexually assaulted, I don't know.
[QUOTE=mac338;36401331]I am by no standards a conspiracy theorist, but the US goes to extreme lengths to protect their state secrets, so perhaps it's set up. Perhaps the women were payed or threatened by the US govnt.? Or maybe they were actually sexually assaulted, I don't know.[/QUOTE] That's why the Swedish government wants to question him, so we can just find out if he assaulted these women. And I'll say it again: his refusal to cooperate with them makes him look guilty.
[QUOTE=mac338;36401331]I am by no standards a conspiracy theorist, but the US goes to extreme lengths to protect their state secrets, so perhaps it's set up. Perhaps the women were payed or threatened by the US govnt.? Or maybe they were actually sexually assaulted, I don't know.[/QUOTE] I remember reading at least one of them was ready to drop the case but for some reason did not of course it could be just hearsay
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