• EU to pay Turkey €3 billion to limit refugee flow, to revive talks of joining EU
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[QUOTE] Turkey and European leaders have struck a deal to try to control the flow of migrants to Europe. Turkey will receive €3bn (£2.1bn) and political concessions in return for clamping down on its borders and keeping refugees in the country. Talks on Turkey's accession to the European Union will also be revived. Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said it was a "historic day" in Turkey's relations with the EU. Under the deal, Turkish citizens may be able to travel without visas in Europe's Schengen zone, which allows free movement between many European countries, by October 2016. ... The BBC's Istanbul correspondent Mark Lowen says there was reluctance among some EU members to bow too deeply to Turkey when there are serious concerns about its government's respect for democracy and the rule of law. The editor of the main centre-left newspaper in Turkey, arrested this week after an article that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan disliked, published an open letter to EU leaders urging them not to prioritise the refugee crisis over respect for human rights in Turkey. But after the talks, Jean Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, said the deal "would not lead to a situation where we forget about the main differences and divergences we have with Turkey - human rights and freedom of the press." [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34957830"]Source[/URL] I don't know how I feel about Turkey potentially joining the EU. Turkey would have to make a LOT of changes and pull a 180 on lots of issues.
Sounds like Turkey did this on purpose.
Why not instead pay Greece and Bulgaria. Instead of being essentially being blackmailed by Turkey. Turkey has a large border while the border of Greece and Bulgaria is a lot smaller. [t]http://i.imgur.com/2SOCr1Q.png[/t]
Turkey needs to fuck off.
The day Turkey joins the EU is that day that the EU dies...
What the fuck happened to the standards of the EU the last year? Last time I checked, Turkey had pretty much zero chance to be ever accepted in the EU since the Turkish government still hasn't acknowledged the Armenian Genocide. So does the EU consider that all water under the bridge now?
The political situation in Turkey is what worries me.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49211142]The day Turkey joins the EU is that day that the EU dies...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Under the deal, Turkish citizens may be able to travel without visas in Europe's Schengen zone, which allows free movement between many European countries, by October 2016.[/QUOTE] Well the path is already paved by making the country part of the Schengen zone. And I guarantee that Erdogan's government is probably still going to let refugees exit towards Greece, but he'll just deny doing it.
Really nice how I've never heard anything about this until now. :I
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49211211]And I guarantee that Erdogan's government is probably still going to let refugees exit towards Greece, but he'll just deny doing it.[/QUOTE] Why would they sabotage a beneficial relationship for themselves? This is a huge benefit to turkey, especially under rising political tension with russia.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49211211]Well the path is already paved by making the country part of the Schengen zone. And I guarantee that Erdogan's government is probably still going to let refugees exit towards Greece, but he'll just deny doing it.[/QUOTE] Well at least they can't get into the UK
Turkey won't ever join the EU. Bulgaria and Greece would never allow it, not to mention the fact that Turkey still occupies half of Cyprus and denies the Armenian Genocide.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49211142]The day Turkey joins the EU is that day that the EU dies...[/QUOTE] This! The EU is still ran by democratic countries in which the people are sovereign, which means that the moment the EU becomes too unpopulair with the European populace the union will dissolve. I'm almost certain that letting Turkey join the European Union, which isn't too populair at the moment to begin with, will have such far reaching social and economic consequences that many countries will petition for an EUxit.
Get rid of Erdogan and the Islamist and Kurd terror threats in the Southeast of the country. Then there'll be something to talk about.
Nevermind the whole Turkey supporting ISIS thing....
How much was Greece asking for back in may? Seems like the EU banks care more about new customers instead of current members
[QUOTE=Sableye;49211482]How much was Greece asking for back in may? Seems like the EU banks care more about new customers instead of current members[/QUOTE] This is a desperate attempt by the EU to solve the immigration crisis, it's in the EU's interest to keep the region stable, which the immigration/refugee crisis threatens, It has nothing to do with "new customers", They don't WANT turkey as part of the EU, but they have to play ball if they want turkey to clamp the flow of refugees and give the EU a better position to regulate the influx of immigrants.
Would definately want to leave the EU is we are letting places like Turkey in
[QUOTE=Sableye;49211482]How much was Greece asking for back in may? Seems like the EU banks care more about new customers instead of current members[/QUOTE] Actually, they gave Greece a lot more money in the latest bailout loan (€86 billion)
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49211501]This is a desperate attempt by the EU to solve the immigration crisis, it's in the EU's interest to keep the region stable, which the immigration/refugee crisis threatens, It has nothing to do with "new customers", They don't WANT turkey as part of the EU, but they have to play ball if they want turkey to clamp the flow of refugees and give the EU a better position to regulate the influx of immigrants.[/QUOTE] Or the EU could just post troops on the border with Turkey instead of playing ball with Turkey. But no, no, much better to cozy up with Turkey instead.
Hey I know our government (Bulgarian) has this reputation about being corrupt, but they've actually been pretty diligent nowadays when it comes to border control. Also i'm pretty sure our government will lose its shit if Turkey were to join the EU.
[QUOTE=Prism;49211888]Hey I know our government (Bulgarian) has this reputation about being corrupt, but they've actually been pretty diligent nowadays when it comes to border control. Also [B]i'm pretty sure our government will lose its shit if Turkey were to join the EU[/B].[/QUOTE] Every member state's government has to agree before a new one can join the EU
Oh hey look, EU realising it fucked up and is now is trying to silently fix it.
So basically the EU is ditching it's core values to try and bolster it's border facing the Middle East. All the while Turkey illegally occupies part of Cyprus, has an incumbent president who utilises authoritarian tactics to subdue the opposition and still doesn't accept that they were responsible for one of the worst genocides in history. I honestly think they should reiterate that should Turkey apply to join the EU, it needs to conform to all of the requirements all current member nations had to comply with to gain membership.
Why dont they instead pay Greece and Bulgaria rather than turkey, last I checked my country was doing a lot better when it comes to border issues, and I think Greece is doing okay with border stuff, both countries clamping down their borders would be as effective?
Why the fuck would Turkey have to join EU They are not in Europe (physical) They have almost nothing in common with Europeans It's not a laic country They keep doing shit (Genocide, attacking Russia...)
[QUOTE=ExtReMLapin;49214519]Why the fuck would Turkey have to join EU They are not in Europe (physical) They have almost nothing in common with Europeans It's not a laic country They keep doing shit (Genocide, attacking Russia...)[/QUOTE] Historically they are considered european. "the sick man of europe" Trade with the italians Centre of the roman empire etc etc The culture is different, moreso recently since they've sort of moved backward slighty imo. Kamal was trying to europeanise/westernise Turkey stopping them speaking arabic, banning traditional turkish wear (so people had to wear european suits) teaching european languages, trading with europe, pushing for secular government. I agree Turkey shouldn't be in the EU atm but with a lil work to get them back on track as a secular modern democratic (i know it is currently a democracy but I suspect there is some corruption going on), relatively free nation I can't see any reason to oppose their membership.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49214557]but with a lil work to get them back on track as a secular modern democratic (i know it is currently a democracy but I suspect there is some corruption going on), relatively free nation I can't see any reason to oppose their membership.[/QUOTE] I 100% agree with that but they need to do some ( a lot of ) work before :eng101s:
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49211863]Or the EU could just post troops on the border with Turkey instead of playing ball with Turkey. But no, no, much better to cozy up with Turkey instead.[/QUOTE] The funny thing is that Europeans don't want to enforce border control, their politicians don't want to be seen as "racist" for shipping those "poor brown people" out of their countries. The only way they can avoid such accusations AND ease the problem is to have another country secure their borders for them, such as they're doing now.
[QUOTE=croguy;49211439]Get rid of Erdogan and the Islamist and Kurd terror threats in the Southeast of the country. Then there'll be something to talk about.[/QUOTE] Put those kurds back in the cheesemaker and put that turkey back in the oven.
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